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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Oliver should just run into a lead singer for a rock band named Dinah Drake.

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Longbaugh01
Jul 13, 2001

"Surprise, muthafucka."
It's pretty amusing to me that they wrote themselves out of the awful Black Canary statue situation by having it destroyed, and then later in front of its wreckage we get the following dialogue:

"We should build a new one."
"I think we can do better."

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I mean we knew it wasn't the real Laurel but I'm still bummed they didn't magic her back to life.

Ville Valo
Sep 17, 2004

I'm waiting for your call
and I'm ready to take
your six six six
in my heart
I kinda dig lovely-circumstances Laurel 2. I'd be totally okay with her having a change of heart and being The New Laurel. Oh well.

I'm assuming this new Canary will be named Dinah-something.

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

I remember nothing about what's happening in Russia.

Caper
Feb 20, 2005

Fallen Rib

Rhyno posted:

I mean we knew it wasn't the real Laurel but I'm still bummed they didn't magic her back to life.

Having Felicity punch Laurel like that just feels like the writers were trying to appeal to the Tumblr crowd, yet again...

howe_sam posted:

Talia shot David Meunier in the flashback. The new lady with the canary powers is somebody else.

Oh. I am a dork.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

New Canary's name is Tina Bolland.

It's not from the comics so we don't get any hints.

Guggenheim said this episode lays "a very specific seed" that will be coming to fruition later on. I don't think that's how you describe something as blunt as "We need a new Canary" *cut to New Canary* so I don't know if they're done with Earth 2 Laurel.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jan 26, 2017

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

Ville Valo posted:

I kinda dig lovely-circumstances Laurel 2. I'd be totally okay with her having a change of heart and being The New Laurel. Oh well.

I'm assuming this new Canary will be named Dinah-something.

Well technically Laurel's name is Dinah Laurel Lance, and her mother's name is Dinah, so that might be a bit too much.

Ville Valo
Sep 17, 2004

I'm waiting for your call
and I'm ready to take
your six six six
in my heart

ShakeZula posted:

Well technically Laurel's name is Dinah Laurel Lance, and her mother's name is Dinah, so that might be a bit too much.

Sure, but they never (super rarely) use it. They were pretty clear in their comments over the break that they consider Green Arrow/Black Canary a pairing that's impossible to get away from; I can't imagine they go with an entirely new character and just use the power and moniker. At least, I hope not.

spookygonk
Apr 3, 2005
Does not give a damn

Isn't Oliver still technically married to Nyssa?

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

spookygonk posted:

Isn't Oliver still technically married to Nyssa?

I don't think they ever did that legally.

Aquasnake
Jan 30, 2013

"I... I did well, didn't I?"

spookygonk posted:

Isn't Oliver still technically married to Nyssa?

I vaguely remember them getting Ninja/Assassin Divorced after he fought in her place, but it's also incredibly possible my mind is making stuff up.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


nooneofconsequence posted:

I remember nothing about what's happening in Russia.

Oli went there to kill the guy who owns the casino for some reason I forget. His old Bratva friend from the boat that crashed on the island told him he needed to join the Bratva to do it, so he did. Then he pretended to be himself to get close to casino guy, but some other Bratva guy sold him out. Now Talia showed up and saved him. I have no idea why any of this is happening.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Tiggum posted:

Oli went there to kill the guy who owns the casino for some reason I forget. His old Bratva friend from the boat that crashed on the island told him he needed to join the Bratva to do it, so he did. Then he pretended to be himself to get close to casino guy, but some other Bratva guy sold him out. Now Talia showed up and saved him. I have no idea why any of this is happening.

The girl from last season asked him to.

LongDarkNight
Oct 25, 2010

It's like watching the collapse of Western civilization in fast forward.
Oven Wrangler

Aquasnake posted:

I vaguely remember them getting Ninja/Assassin Divorced after he fought in her place, but it's also incredibly possible my mind is making stuff up.

I'm pretty sure last time she showed up she insisted they were still married. Crazy assassin women are probably okay with open marriages.

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem
So, how did Earth2 Laurel/Prometheus know enough about the legends time idiots to make up that kinda convincing lie?

Cruel Rose
May 27, 2010

saaave gotham~
come on~
DO IT, BATMAN
FUCKING BATMAN I FUCKING HATE YOU

Longbaugh01 posted:

It's pretty amusing to me that they wrote themselves out of the awful Black Canary statue situation by having it destroyed, and then later in front of its wreckage we get the following dialogue:

"We should build a new one."
"I think we can do better."

"It doesn't feel right, them just taking it away like this. We didn't even get to eat it."

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

Tarquinn posted:

So, how did Earth2 Laurel/Prometheus know enough about the legends time idiots to make up that kinda convincing lie?

Pretty sure either Wells Cisco or Caitlyn babbled on about it within earshot.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Clearly Prometheus is someone very close to Ollie, possibly the real Laurel actually come back to life and turned evil?

Also that was Lexa Doig as the new archer in the flashback.

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Aphrodite posted:

The girl from last season asked him to.

what girl?

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011


Flashback island girl, Taianna or something like that. The girl whose neck he snapped because *reasons*.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Rhyno posted:

Clearly Prometheus is someone very close to Ollie, possibly the real Laurel actually come back to life and turned evil?

Also that was Lexa Doig as the new archer in the flashback.

Yes, that is who is playing Talia al Ghul.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004


The Russian girl whose brother he was forced to kill, who held the statue and went all nutso for awhile to keep the black mercenary guy who'd captured them all from using it. And whose name I am completely at a loss for.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

I don't remember last season too well, didn't Barry have problems with Laurel-2? Yet Prometheus just walks up and chokes her? Barry is the worst right?

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

WhyteRyce posted:

I don't remember last season too well, didn't Barry have problems with Laurel-2? Yet Prometheus just walks up and chokes her? Barry is the worst right?

Prometheus was smart and waited to break her out during the mid-season break.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Nice if Ollie to be concerned about reforming her AFTER she broke out of the pipeline. She was right there the whole time, ya could have been making visits.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
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bull3964 posted:

Nice if Ollie to be concerned about reforming her AFTER she broke out of the pipeline. She was right there the whole time, ya could have been making visits.

If your dead former girlfriend's doppleganger was hanging around you wouldn't be in a rush to go visit.

Ville Valo
Sep 17, 2004

I'm waiting for your call
and I'm ready to take
your six six six
in my heart

bull3964 posted:

Nice if Ollie to be concerned about reforming her AFTER she broke out of the pipeline. She was right there the whole time, ya could have been making visits.

The fact that he wasn't had me somehow convinced that STAR Labs kept it from him. Like surely he'd drop everything if they went "hey, we got your dead ex in a cell over here, just a little more evil than you remember."

Rhyno posted:

If your dead former girlfriend's doppleganger was hanging around you wouldn't be in a rush to go visit.

Really? I feel like that's exactly what I'd do, especially if she was safely behind glass.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
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To what end? You know it's not her and all that can be had from the encounter is pain. Look what the Dominator's VR world did to Ollie, you think he'd want to frequently go through that?

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Rhyno posted:

If your dead former girlfriend's doppleganger was hanging around you wouldn't be in a rush to go visit.

If that was the case, he wouldn't have behaved the way he did in this episode. He would have been anxious to get her back to the pipeline ASAP.

He had to have known about her, Felicity did.

Ville Valo
Sep 17, 2004

I'm waiting for your call
and I'm ready to take
your six six six
in my heart

Rhyno posted:

To what end? You know it's not her and all that can be had from the encounter is pain. Look what the Dominator's VR world did to Ollie, you think he'd want to frequently go through that?

It's a version of her. Her being a person you had immense feelings for at one point, and will literally never see again otherwise. That's powerful stuff.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

bull3964 posted:

If that was the case, he wouldn't have behaved the way he did in this episode. He would have been anxious to get her back to the pipeline ASAP.

He had to have known about her, Felicity did.

Felicity might've conveniently forgotten. I don't recall the Central City team ever making plans to tell Ollie

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
She forced this situation on him, he was making the best of a horrible situation.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Ollie, you tremendous, tremendous idiot.

I'm on the fence about continuing to watch. Was promised Laurel, received a monkey's paw wish. I can respect the trolling but that doesn't mean I have to take it.

Chokes McGee fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jan 27, 2017

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

bull3964 posted:

Nice if Ollie to be concerned about reforming her AFTER she broke out of the pipeline. She was right there the whole time, ya could have been making visits.

I imagine hearing your friends have an evil version of your dead girlfriend from another universe and actually seeing the evil version of your dead girlfriend from another universe cause different reactions.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
With them focusing on Ollie being dead on Earth 2 and the theme of the episode being about resurrection, I was beginning to wonder if Prometheus is actually Ollie-2. He "died" here, who's to say he didn't go on a cruise and end up somewhere that turned him evil. Even Bratwurst guy made a comment about what he could have become.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Yeah they've got to have one hell of a reveal for Prometheus.

I thought for a while it was Adrian Chase, with the vigilante link a red herring.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
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The voice is probably a massive misdirect and Prometheus is pretty drat slender. I'm sticking with it being real Laurel somehow.

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
Or it's Talia.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
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ApeHawk posted:

Or it's Talia.

God drat it, we're back where we were with Flash and the iron mask guy last year.

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