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Moola, I'm sorry you're distressed over Games Workshop's Premium Miniatures Game, but have you considered buying a different army? Look at the great deals on the Games Workshop website! With armies ranging from Space Marines to Blood Angels, there's something for everyone to like!
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Jan 26, 2017 17:00
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I dont want love I want pictures of plastic spaceguys
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Jan 26, 2017 17:00
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or you know, just not giving GW money and not spending so much time caring about people who do
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Jan 26, 2017 17:00
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Anime is bad. The Death Thread is full of  Who gives a poo poo because THIS: Technowolf posted:Some nice 3D printed upgrade bits: I couldn't believe how well this stuff turned out. When my students used our 3d printer, we got really bad plastic "scanlines" all along the surfaces, but this stuff looks not just perfectly serviceable, but perfect. Someone passed around 3d printer plans for a Warhound and I'm mighty tempted to try it out if there's a "send me plans and I'll print the parts" service for less than FW prices. I might even get some parts like crab claws for Hybrid Metamorphs that way, tbh.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:01
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TheChirurgeon posted:Of course, you'd say that, you filthy pro-anime monster Every thread is improved by Gundam models  Hihohe posted:I dont want love I want pictures of plastic spaceguys done 
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Technowolf posted:Some nice 3D printed upgrade bits: Beautiful pieces, but the prices are pretty insane.
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panascope posted:Moola, I'm sorry you're distressed over Games Workshop's Premium Miniatures Game, but have you considered buying a different army? Look at the great deals on the Games Workshop website! With armies ranging from Space Marines to Blood Angels, there's something for everyone to like! I cant find the scrunts Guy Goodbody posted:Every thread is improved by Gundam models 
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Jan 26, 2017 17:13
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lol, like Warhammer isn't anime already
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So...thinking about actually getting back into 40K after being away for years. Started in Rogue Trader and played till 3rd. Been listening to podcasts, following this thread, etc. for the last couple years and it seems like GW is maybe getting their act together in a few ways. My only hobby work in the last 15 years has been getting into Kings of War and X-Wing a little, just playing a bit with my sons. Thinking of getting a couple units to introduce my sons to the game and maybe play at a FLGS. Figure I should wait till 8th since that seems likely this year (yes?). Might still grab a few models to start working on till then unless people think there is a good chance that we are going to get some amazing new basic Tac Marines or Orkz. Is getting in now total madness for a former big fan?
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Jan 26, 2017 17:29
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I'd argue yes, even with a prospective edition on the horizon this is a pretty good time to get involved. Between Kill Team and the Start Collecting stuff you can get going pretty easily.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:31
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The game is better right now than it's been all through 7th. If you've got an army that appeals to you aesthetically there's no reason not to buy some models and get building. GW currently has some start collecting boxes on sale for most of the available armies and they're consistently great deals so that's a good starting place. There are a lot of rumors about 8th hitting soon so I definitely would not advise picking an army or units based off of the current rules.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:32
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Is Biel-Tan an anime character? Sounds like an anime character.
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Moola posted:I cant find the scrunts  
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Master Twig posted:Is Biel-Tan an anime character? Sounds like an anime character. For some reason when I saw this thing I thought it'd make a cool Harlequin Wraithknight 
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SteelMentor posted:I'd argue yes, even with a prospective edition on the horizon this is a pretty good time to get involved. Between Kill Team and the Start Collecting stuff you can get going pretty easily. Yeah, I'd second this. It's not my favorite iteration of the rules, but the last year or so's worth of releases have been good to great, and they've taken big steps to making the game more accessible to new players. I wouldn't worry too much about the prospect of a new edition when choosing which army to play--there's only so much you can do about that, and even if you pick one of the armies getting a combined faction look, you'll probably still have a viable force in the new edition, no matter how much it may resemble AoS 40k, especially if you go with Space Marines. There is literally no way GW would ever get rid of space marines. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Pendent posted:The game is better right now than it's been all through 7th.  Pendent posted:There are a lot of rumors about 8th hitting soon so I definitely would not advise picking an army. ftfy
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Jan 26, 2017 17:42
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I know that when I want advice about getting back into a game, the people I want to hear from are the people who don't play and aren't interested in said game
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Jan 26, 2017 17:47
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Please play and enjoy Warhammer 40,000, or its sister game about battles in the future past, Warhammer 30,000.
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Pendent posted:The game is better right now than it's been all through 7th. You could perhaps argue that the models are better now - some of the recent releases show some really interesting stylistic directions. The new Genestealer Cult for instance has some awesome minis. But the game is a frankensteinian pile of garbage suitable only for a dumpster fire. You have entire factions that are gimped (Orks, Tyranids) while others are ridiculously overpowered (Tau, Eldar) and probably becoming more so in the near future (lookin' at you Aeldari). The proliferation of Formations means it's basically impossible to keep up with what peoples' armies can actually do and/or what bonuses they have. There is almost no though given to game balance, and it seems like every new psychic discipline (which are also proliferating out of control) brings some new game-breaking bullshit. The icing and cherry are the FAQs that are either insulting or stupid of both. Time is an issue as well. GW's favorite way to apply a special rule is to confer a re-roll. This applies to almost every aspect of the game - shooting, striking in CC, wounding, mitigating wounds, etc. If you have a guy with a Twin Linked weapon with the Shred rule shooting at a dude with armor and Feel No Pain, you're looking at potentially 6 rolls to see if a single guy dies. It becomes incredibly onerous and time consuming. And this doesn't address the issue of cost; GW minis are still heinously expensive. The Start Collecting boxes have helped, but let's face it - outside of HoR Kill Team, you're looking at a major capital outlay to throw down even a 1000 point list. Don't get me wrong, I love the 40K fluff. The setting has all sort of engaging stuff in it. But the game requires much more of an AoS "gentleman's agreement" to not be a curb-stomping douche-bag with your 500 points of free poo poo and crazy special rules provided by your overpowered Detachment of Formations to be fun. It is definitely not better than vanilla 7th.
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Ilor posted:It is definitely not better than vanilla 7th. There's no such thing as "vanilla 7th," just what I'm guessing you're calling "7th edition where we use all the codexes and expansions but decide not to use any formations in those books"
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Ilor posted:Um. No. Incredibly accurate summation of the current clusterfuck, but I still have fun with it v  v
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The game desperately needs a 3rd edition mega cut down. Something where a every faction gets updated rules at once and just remove any and all formations.
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Captain Invictus posted:Hey Warhams thread, I was wondering if these are worth anything. I got'em in a huge lot of Warhammer books ages ago and while I like the stories in them I might as well sell them if they're worth a good bit, they seem to be really rare. They're the entireties of Titan and Bloodquest collected into their respective single volumes. SteelMentor posted:
Complete reissue of Titan in Hardback and Epub is out in March presumabley as part of building hype for that new Titan based game supposed to be coming this spring. Titanicus, which is a great Abnett story if you've never read it, is similarly getting a new Hardback release then as well. http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/march/titan-gn.html
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Nah. Formations just need a revision. The core concept is excellent. The stuff they just revealed about the unified Eldar list, alongside the unified Adeptus Mechanicus detachment could actually be a first step toward this.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Nah. Formations just need a revision. The core concept is excellent. I agree. They need to be cut down in number and balanced in terms of power and cost, but the core concept is strong. Ilor posted:Time is an issue as well. GW's favorite way to apply a special rule is to confer a re-roll. This applies to almost every aspect of the game - shooting, striking in CC, wounding, mitigating wounds, etc. If you have a guy with a Twin Linked weapon with the Shred rule shooting at a dude with armor and Feel No Pain, you're looking at potentially 6 rolls to see if a single guy dies. It becomes incredibly onerous and time consuming. This is definitely a huge factor, though, and probably my least favorite part of the current game
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I guess expecting GW to act enough like a modern company to care about their rules and update them as a single unit is already fantasy land. So presumably this hypothetical good GW could make formations at least as well balanced as Warmachine theme forces.
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TheChirurgeon posted:I know that when I want advice about getting back into a game, the people I want to hear from are the people who don't play and aren't interested in said game Despite 20 years of playing this terrible game I shouldn't post about it because I'm not in denial about its current state or looming future state. Gotcha. Encouraging people to spend their money on a game that may not be recognisable and armies that may not exist in a few months is a real dick move.
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Jan 26, 2017 18:20
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Don't start playing 40k holy poo poo
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Terrible Opinions posted:I guess expecting GW to act enough like a modern company to care about their rules and update them as a single unit is already fantasy land. So presumably this hypothetical good GW could make formations at least as well balanced as Warmachine theme forces. So hypothetically they could do this, the same way they did 3rd Edition or  AGE OF SIGMAR, though the chief challenge is that 40k is a much better-selling range than Fantasy was, so there's a much bigger risk. The game is also much, much larger than 2nd edition was going into 3rd--Dark Eldar were invented for 3rd edition, Necrons were a 4-model sideshow "army", Tau, Genestealer Cults, and Deathwatch were still on the horizon, and only 4 Space Marine chapters had specific rules.The *early* indications are that we're due for some kind of streamlining based on what worked in AoS and the latest round of FAQs, but it's not clear what will change and how much, and no matter how many times the death thread crew posts their best Ron Paul impressions, it's still unlikely that we'll see anything near as drastic. 40k definitely needs a major rules overhaul, but there are ways to do that without invalidating every codex (though I don't trust GW to do this at all). The issue of book bloat could be mostly solved by a strong digital strategy that gives players access to the entire library without having to hunt through half a dozen books to build the army they want (if it were me in charge, I'd look at publishing small, quasi-annually-updated paperback "player edition" versions of these updated codexes in limited runs for players who want print materials). Likewise, in order to fix formations, you have to be willing to update and edit the books you've already released. The biggest problem Games Workshop has with their rules right now, outside of core issues in the ruleset, is that they are extremely reluctant to issue errata or changes to their published rules, probably because they come in books that cost $60+ apiece, and those can't be edited once they're printed. By moving to a digital-first strategy, they can quickly and easily make edits to the rules at regular intervals (think how Magic does banned/restricted releases), along with published notifications of changes and notes on the reasoning, which would allow them to adjust formation bonuses and costs to bring them more in-line from a power level standpoint. spacegoat posted:Despite 20 years of playing this terrible game I shouldn't post about it because I'm not in denial about its current state or looming future state. Gotcha. Oh, my bad. Please, go on about Age of Emperor TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:but it's not clear what will change and how much This alone is enough is enough reason to not encourage people to get into 40k right now. quote:The biggest problem Games Workshop has with their rules right now, outside of core issues in the ruleset, is that they are extremely reluctant to issue errata or changes to their published rules poo poo like this helps, too.
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The solution is to do a new rules edition, and give everything digital warscrolls. Then you can periodically adjust the warscrolls like PC patch notes without waiting on an entire new book or edition. Make codex books even more fluff and scenarios since they're no longer rules focuses. They will never do this.
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:
Printers have been getting better, I've also read that some people that do professional 3D printing will their results a light brushing of nail polish remover to diminish the appearance of scan lines.
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spacegoat posted:poo poo like this helps, too. It's not the right approach, but I understand why they don't want to issue errata or edits for their books--it's the same reason Magic doesn't like doing it for cards. You want the physical book that a player holds in his or her hand to reflect the actual rules of the game. Issuing errata or edits not only creates confusion, it also reduces the value of the product. They still need to do it, but I don't fault them for not *wanting* to. mango sentinel posted:The solution is to do a new rules edition, and give everything digital warscrolls. Then you can periodically adjust the warscrolls like PC patch notes without waiting on an entire new book or edition. Make codex books even more fluff and scenarios since they're no longer rules focuses. Could be possible--seems like the current focus is on campaign books that update the rules over codexes, but at best it's an "I'll believe it when I see it" situation.
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More eldar stuff - Lots of interplay between the different Eldar factions in the book. - When it's desperate, Eldar of all kind will fight against a common vow. Other times, they fight against each other, even Craftworlds vs Craftworlds. - Now, the Eldar god of the dead is summoned - some see this as a hope for their race. - These make up a new faction - basically the Eldar who believe in Ynnead. They have now a red colour scheme (like the Visarch, he is their leader). These are the Ynnari. Lead by the prophetess and the Visarch. - Lots of wyches and Incubii. - Some Eldar (of all kind) are very against this - especially the Haemoncolus Covens. They see this as "they steal our jobs". If there is a god of the dead - no slaves and stuff, so they are not happy. - Clashes between the Haemoncolus Covens and the Ynnari. - Part II is not a sequel - it happens at the same time of 'Fall of Cadia'. - It ends at the same point as the first book. - Rules to make the Ynnari. You can mix different Eldar races into one army now. They loose their army rules but gain instead a new special rule. - Basically - when your eldar units die, your own units become more powerful. - Ynnari are a whole new faction of the Eldar. - Aeldari is the name for all Eldar. - If you already got an army, you can decide to play it as Ynnari, but not all units can be taken. Most of the stuff can be used though.
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Just play in a friendly environment, you will be fine. Ask the local gamestore owner who plays for fun and who power games. It really isn't that hard. Just avoid anything that involves in sort of "prize" for victory and you should be alright, because that is what causes everyone to take off their gloves.
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Terrible Opinions posted:The game desperately needs a 3rd edition mega cut down. Something where a every faction gets updated rules at once and just remove any and all formations. Terrible Opinions posted:I guess expecting GW to act enough like a modern company to care about their rules and update them as a single unit is already fantasy land. So presumably this hypothetical good GW could make formations at least as well balanced as Warmachine theme forces. Your name does not match the content of these posts. Congrats, I guess. mango sentinel posted:The solution is to do a new rules edition, and give everything digital warscrolls. Then you can periodically adjust the warscrolls like PC patch notes without waiting on an entire new book or edition. Make codex books even more fluff and scenarios since they're no longer rules focuses. The thought of someone with integrity re-designing Cruddace's puerile poo poo-swamp of a book and literally overwriting it digitally into nothingness makes my heart sing, a la watching the Gryphons get eaten by Cultists No, gently caress you Dr. Dicksmoker, you salty oval office, math is not an opinion. Uroboros posted:Just play in a friendly environment, you will be fine. Ask the local gamestore owner who plays for fun and who power games. It really isn't that hard. Man, it's really tough to enjoy the game when at every turn things your army is supposed to be able to do well it does terribly. No amount of opponent self-control with their best units will make the feeling of Orks being bad at both MSU and horde, or armored assault, or challenge-spam, or [insert any strategy here] feel any better. Watching your army flounder because some lazy, untalented, or unprincipled fucknozzle stole away their core strengths and replaced them with weaknesses makes for a bad loving time regardless of my friend's list/army composition.
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Hey nerds! SRM and I are taping episode 3 of the 40k Badcast tonight, so let us know if you want us to talk about something! Anything! We don't give one single poo poo!
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The Sex Cannon posted:
An entire episode where you RP people in this thread arguing over Age of Emperor stuff. Make sure to do funny voices!
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OMG sriracha pudding! posted:An entire episode where you RP people in this thread arguing over Age of Emperor stuff. Make sure to do funny voices! for moola just shake a bag of chicken bones into the microphone
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