Friendly Humour posted:

Nigga pls, marginalism is so idiotic I don't even know where to begin with. It treats people as logical computers and it's really really stupid and its application by neoliberal asswipes has never ever had anything but utterly destructive results. My only point about evaluation being inseparable from human perception is that nothing trumps it. An object can definately be extremely costly to produce in terms of labour time and investments and large amount of exploitation, but if nobody wants to buy at the price asked, that value is completely meaningless. I'm just saying that the price of an object and profitability seems completely disconnected from its labour value. I'm saying that objects aren't valuable as themselves, only as objects of desire.

namesake posted:

^^Think you might need some anime for a post like that, Peel.

Friendly Humour posted:

i like to think that the niggagate played a part in that

jarofpiss posted:

someone explain to me how solving the profit=theft aspect of capitalism solves alienation from labor once the pandoras box of industrialization is already opened. i havent read marx in over a decade so im sure im missing something obvious.

Weeping Wound posted:

EDIT: wait a second, Baloogan isn't in charge anymore!

Vermain posted:

My view of "alienation" is that it has more to do with whether or not you have the ability to determine the course of your work. Alienation in capitalism is a result of not feeling as though you have any real control over the conditions or methods of your workplace (because of the strict, autocratic hierarchy of the boss owning the assets and you merely assenting to work under the conditions they specify). I don't think the alienation caused by automation can ever be solved, but I don't believe it has as significant of an impact compared to the alienation of ownership of the workplace (which can be solved).

Metal Pink Babble posted:

Man is a beast

Metal Pink Babble posted:

a beast who craves structure

Metal Pink Babble posted:

in a state of turgid anarchy

Metal Pink Babble posted:

Things pertaining to every minute aspect of procurement, production, refinement, and distribution are becoming increasingly hard-coded into mandatory protocol for every facet of advanced planned economies.

Innovation to fill a niche is being rooted out in this model, ultimately leading to full-automation. Hence, a backlash. Trains never always run on time, like stock investment advice sometimes fails, even for the most accomplished of inside traders. The gray and black markets exist to check and balance dehumanizing structures and regulations, lest humanity becomes extinct from sheer boredom.

Laissez-faire capitalism, john galt libertarianism, and martian marxism are extremes which can never be fully realized. In practical and sustainable function they are unicorns and cannot exist. Man is a beast who craves structure, but lives in a state of turgid anarchy. T'is the nature of the beast.

Vermain posted:

Are you a loving anime bad guy or what's the deal here?

ThaumPenguin posted:

Martian Marxism?

jarofpiss posted:

wow im for real drunk ama

jarofpiss posted:

wow im for real drunk ama

resar posted:

was 9/11 holograms or was it a collective hallucination?

Friendly Humour posted:

My only point about evaluation being inseparable from human perception is that nothing trumps it. An object can definately be extremely costly to produce in terms of labour time and investments and large amount of exploitation, but if nobody wants to buy at the price asked, that value is completely meaningless. I'm just saying that the price of an object and profitability seems completely disconnected from its labour value.

rudatron posted:

A world without some level of alienation would be a catastrophe, no one has the time or energy to be involved in the results of even their own labor, that full dealienation would require.

Friendly Humour posted:

I'm just saying that the price of an object and profitability seems completely disconnected from its labour value.

Enjoy posted:

the price of a commodity is limited by the price of labour.

if company a uses inefficient methods and spends twice as much on labour costs per commodity as company b, they will eventually go bankrupt because their prices will be too high and company b will dominate the market.

Dreddout posted:

How do we get to Mars, comrade jarofpiss?

R. Guyovich posted:

jarofpiss trolled me irl by making fun of democratic centralism so he's a wrecker now and i always hated his posts

Plutonis posted:

Vox magazine posted:

We tend to think of rising income inequality as a 21st-century problem. A more equal distribution of wealth is normal, and the growing clout of the 1 percent is an anomaly.

namesake posted:

You can't just quote that and not link it as well.

quote:

Now, our current political turmoil — the rise of Donald Trump and the European far right — doesn’t really fit that pattern. Data suggests that supporters of these factions are more motivated by concerns over immigration and cultural change than inequality per se.

namesake posted:

I wonder what was causing the increase in inequality from 1300 until the black death, was there a general movement towards centralising authority under the monarchs at the time, rather than strong aristocrats?