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Pretty sure the Knicks traded a 1st rounder for the rights to Andrea Bargnani And you can't say "oh phil jackson is different" because he's done almost as bad in free agency
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Bush Did Outer Heaven posted:I feel like Westbrook would probably murder 'Melo within a week. I would pay to see Melo wave off Russ in crunch time.
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Jan 27, 2017 22:37
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Tae posted:Pretty sure the Knicks traded a 1st rounder for the rights to Andrea Bargnani Flight 77 cleared for landing  LOL, Knicks brass aka CAA thought he was the last piece to a chip.
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Jan 27, 2017 22:40
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Boosh! posted:I would pay to see Melo wave off Russ in crunch time. Russ has waved off greater players
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Jan 27, 2017 22:49
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If melo is willing to carry the 2nd unit I'll allow the trade
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Jan 27, 2017 22:52
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Pierre Jackson got injured last night and was on his second 10 day contract with the Mavs. I wish that didn't happen. I wanted them to sign him long term. Today they signed someone named Yogi Ferrell in his place. Really disappointed in this turn of events. The Cavs should sign Jackson once he is healthy, he is an underrated playmaker.
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Jan 27, 2017 22:53
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Why are the Knicks so dumb
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ZenVulgarity posted:Why are the Knicks so dumb 
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Jan 27, 2017 23:00
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I'm confused, do some of you think the Knicks would be losing that trade?
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Spacebump posted:Pierre Jackson got injured last night and was on his second 10 day contract with the Mavs. I wish that didn't happen. I wanted them to sign him long term. Today they signed someone named Yogi Ferrell in his place. Really disappointed in this turn of events. The Cavs should sign Jackson once he is healthy, he is an underrated playmaker. Yogi was the point guard at Indiana for like 40 years and was most recently on the Nets.
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one of my favourite SAS memories was the Austin Rivers game in the playoffs where he poo poo the bed play after play and then the next game just started hitting every thing. It was a wide rollercoaster
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DeimosRising posted:I'm confused, do some of you think the Knicks would be losing that trade? It depends if Singler is included or not
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It's really weird to me how often a player being a dickhead makes people really intent on being able to read that dickheadedness into his stats. The only all-around type stat that doesn't put Draymond in the top 20 in the league right now is PER, which heavily favors high usage guys. I can understand wanting to argue in favor of people you don't hate, but Draymond in the All-Star game isn't any kind of stretch.
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Stagger_Lee posted:It's really weird to me how often a player being a dickhead makes people really intent on being able to read that dickheadedness into his stats. The only all-around type stat that doesn't put Draymond in the top 20 in the league right now is PER, which heavily favors high usage guys. I can understand wanting to argue in favor of people you don't hate, but Draymond in the All-Star game isn't any kind of stretch.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:10
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Metapod posted:It depends if Singler is included or not I think it would make the Thunder better depending on what's necessary to make salaries match, fwiw. It's pro tier tanking for NYK and gives them a usuable guy next year while probably cutting salary, but absolutely doesn't make them win more games even next season.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:12
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straight up brolic posted:Gobert and Jokic are both better than him in all-in-one metrics though 🤔 Almost any team in the league could have Gobert and Jokic atm and fans of all teams should be nauseous over that fact. I actually think they could even play together pretty well.
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DeimosRising posted:I think it would make the Thunder better depending on what's necessary to make salaries match, fwiw. It's pro tier tanking for NYK and gives them a usuable guy next year while probably cutting salary, but absolutely doesn't make them win more games even next season. You're not understanding what I'm saying if you get Singler you lose no matter what
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Jan 27, 2017 23:15
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Metapod posted:You're not understanding what I'm saying if you get Singler you lose no matter what On no I got the joke I just didn't have a rejoinder so I continued po faced fantasy trade talk
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Jan 27, 2017 23:16
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straight up brolic posted:Gobert and Jokic are both better than him in all-in-one metrics though 🤔 I think Gobert should definitely be on the team, and I wouldn't be mad if Jokic was either. I think Jokic only competes consistently with the other two if you're using rate stats, though - he hasn't played that many minutes, which probably isn't his fault but might still be inflating his rate stats a little. Anyway I love all of those players, except for Draymond as a person or a donkey with a lovely attitude.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:18
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DeimosRising posted:On no I got the joke I just didn't have a rejoinder so I continued po faced fantasy trade talk Joke??? JOKE!?!?!??!?!?!?! This is no joke this life or death serious poo poo. Ban Singler from the hardwood
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Jan 27, 2017 23:19
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You can get Gobert or Jokic by replacing DeAndre and Klay who are the real question mark
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Jan 27, 2017 23:20
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Stagger_Lee posted:I think Gobert should definitely be on the team, and I wouldn't be mad if Jokic was either. I think Jokic only competes consistently with the other two if you're using rate stats, though - he hasn't played that many minutes, which probably isn't his fault but might still be inflating his rate stats a little. If you just go by WS the 5 all-star reserves should be: Gobert DeAndre Hayward Towns Draymond (5.7) First out: Gasol (5.4) If you go by WS48 for qualified players Gobert Jokic (.243) DeAndre Hayward Kanter (lol) First out: Dwight Powell (bigger lol, .186) If you just go by BPM it should be: Jokic (8.1) Cousins Green Gobert Gasol (5.0) First out: Hayward Even with just all-in-one stats, Jokic is first out by WS and top 2 in WS48 & BPM. I think he should be on the team. No question with Gobert. Tae posted:You can get Gobert or Jokic by replacing DeAndre and Klay who are the real question mark
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Jan 27, 2017 23:28
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straight up brolic posted:Yeah, passing and defense are Draymond's only case for making the game and he's really good at them. I think Gobert is a much more impactful player, though. There's a reason we don't have 6 centers on an all star team. Gobert is a much more impactful player - than DeAndre Jordan, and he's having a better year than Gasol too. Gobert should be there, DeAndre should not. If someone else had to get bumped next it probably should be Hayward, who is a one trick pony like Klay, rather than Draymond. 
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Jan 27, 2017 23:33
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How is Hayward a one trick pony?
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Klay Thompson also isn't a one trick pony, he's a good defender so I don't know what's going on there
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Hayward has many tricks
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Just out of curiosity I was putting together what the team would look like if you auto-filled it based on RPM. First set is the "wins generated" whatever, second is the rate stat. east b lowry b john wall f butler f lebron f gianis b kemba b caldwell-pope f millsap f otto porter f love w batum w teague west b harden b westbrook f durant f draymond f kawhi b curry b chris paul f cousins f gobert f anthony davis w trevor ariza w marc gasol East kyle lowry john wall butler lebron millsap kemba caldwell-pope gianis love otto porter lucas nogueira jae crowder West chris paul westbrook durant kawhi draymond curry harden cousins jokic gobert george hill anthony davis East reserves are a tire fire, RPM really loves Trevor Ariza, and congratulations Lucas Nogueira.
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straight up brolic posted:Hayward has many tricks Especially with Starcraft
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Libertine posted:Just goes to show you can't have tres alphas, one has to reign supreme. This situation has gone beyond the ability of any coach, GM or sports psychologist to handle. They need to bring in an expert on alpha behavior: 
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straight up brolic posted:How is Hayward a one trick pony? He's just a scorer. He's good at it, but not great. I feel like there are 15-20 guys in the league who can do what he does better than he does, but he gets the shots on Utah because he is their only reliable scorer other than George Hill (who is out half the time). I admit I don't watch Utah that much, so it may be a small sample size impression
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Cool Buff Man posted:Klay Thompson also isn't a one trick pony, he's a good defender so I don't know what's going on there He's an ok defender, but not really as good as advertised. He is much closer to Curry in defensive ability than he is to Draymond, KD or Iggy.
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Hayward seems like a decent playmaker, Utah is doing pretty good offensively for a team that doesn't have a Real Point Guard.
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Yeah Hayward played point in college and he's great at creating his own shot and shots for others. The Jazz don't have an assist heavy offensive philosophy, but Hayward is probably one of the more versatile players at the wing position in the NBA.
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Here's my list from blending a few advanced stats and putting an equal number of guards and frontcourt players on both teams with the same ratio. It contains several players I would have never voted for so I feel like it's objective. East: G Isaiah Thomas G DeMar DeRozan F Giannis Antetokounmpo F Jimmy Butler F Lebron James G Kyle Lowry G John Wall G Kemba Walker F Joel Embiid F Dwight Howard F Hassan Whiteside F Kevin Love West: G Russell Westbrook G James Harden F Kevin Durant F Kawhi Leonard F Anthony Davis G Chris Paul G Stephen Curry G Damian Lillard F DeMarcus Cousins F Karl-Anthony Towns F Rudy Gobert F Gordon Hayward
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straight up brolic posted:How is Hayward a one trick pony? He's not but many of his tricks are deceptive so I understand the confusion
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predicto posted:He's an ok defender, but not really as good as advertised. He is much closer to Curry in defensive ability than he is to Draymond, KD or Iggy. Lol ok you're going hard today and I appreciate that but you're completely wrong on Hayward and wrong to call Klay a one trick pony regardless
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straight up brolic posted:Yeah Hayward played point in college and he's great at creating his own shot and shots for others. The Jazz don't have an assist heavy offensive philosophy, but Hayward is probably one of the more versatile players at the wing position in the NBA. He didn't play point at Butler, but he was one of two major playmakers.
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Klay is a great shooter and good defender. Hayward is a good scorer and playmaker. Reggie Miller was a one trick pony.
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I think Klay Thompson, who has to guard the opponent's best backcourt player every game and does an excellent job, is a much better defender than Stephen Curry, who Steve Kerr goes offense defense with. But that's just me.
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