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RagnarokAngel posted:Actually I believe youll find it infects you with the Islamic virus and converts you to Islam without your knowing. A sikh who eats halal meat (or any meat killed in a ritualistic manner) is no longer regarded as a proper sikh, so it's a big deal for some.
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Jan 27, 2017 19:12
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Alhazred posted:A sikh who eats halal meat (or any meat killed in a ritualistic manner) is no longer regarded as a proper sikh, so it's a big deal for some. Don't most religions with those restrictions also usually say that it doesn't count if it's against your knowledge or will?
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Jan 27, 2017 19:14
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I'm not even really an atheist, but it's almost impossible not to feel overwhelmingly smug that I can just eat a loving sandwich without having to think about any of that dumb bullshit.
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Jan 27, 2017 19:15
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chitoryu12 posted:Don't most religions with those restrictions also usually say that it doesn't count if it's against your knowledge or will? Every religious rule has an asterix next to it just in case it'll benefit the church in the future.
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Jan 27, 2017 19:20
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bongwizzard posted:I'm not even really an atheist, but it's almost impossible not to feel overwhelmingly smug that I can just eat a loving sandwich without having to think about any of that dumb bullshit. Goon, while slobbering on a Big Mac: "heh heh, I'm so enlightened"
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Jan 27, 2017 19:22
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Low Desert Punk posted:Goon, while slobbering on a Big Mac: "heh heh, I'm so enlightened" Actually, today is a bulgogi "cheesesteak" on a nice baguette it's a poo poo ton of pickled vegetables shoved in there. I mean anyway you look at it, the idea of an all powerful, all-knowing, all loving God, who also really cares what you have for lunch seem sort of odd at best.
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Jan 27, 2017 19:25
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chitoryu12 posted:Don't most religions with those restrictions also usually say that it doesn't count if it's against your knowledge or will? Doesn't seem that way: https://translate.google.com/transl...t-text=&act=url
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Jan 27, 2017 19:29
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I'd be willing to bet that for most cultures with dietary restrictions, the set of beliefs that shapes their world outlook and culture is much more important than getting to eat some mediocre goon food that they might not like anyway. Kosher observant Jews don't sit around all day like "God drat, if only I could eat a Baconator"
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Jan 27, 2017 19:41
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Low Desert Punk posted:I'd be willing to bet that for most cultures with dietary restrictions, the set of beliefs that shapes their world outlook and culture is much more important than getting to eat some mediocre goon food that they might not like anyway. Kosher observant Jews don't sit around all day like "God drat, if only I could eat a Baconator" Any culture that hates on a bacon cheeseburger is pretty lame imho.
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Jan 27, 2017 19:46
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bongwizzard posted:Actually, today is a bulgogi "cheesesteak" on a nice baguette it's a poo poo ton of pickled vegetables shoved in there. I remember reading that most religious diet restrictions forbade eating food that was often disease ridden and improperly prepared thousands of years ago (I.e. Most meats and seafood) so it can be interpreted as safety guidelines that aren't really labeled as safety guidelines.
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Jan 27, 2017 21:18
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Zinkraptor posted:I remember reading that most religious diet restrictions forbade eating food that was often disease ridden and improperly prepared thousands of years ago (I.e. Most meats and seafood) so it can be interpreted as safety guidelines that aren't really labeled as safety guidelines. I also heard something once that the ancient prohibition of pork had something to do with how pigs eat many of the same things humans do, which made feeding them essentially taking food out of the mouths of people around you. Since I am not a paleofoodologist, however, I may well be wrong 
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Jan 27, 2017 21:40
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Zinkraptor posted:I remember reading that most religious diet restrictions forbade eating food that was often disease ridden and improperly prepared thousands of years ago (I.e. Most meats and seafood) so it can be interpreted as safety guidelines that aren't really labeled as safety guidelines. That makes sense, but also makes sense to scrap them in modern times when it's not needed. Growing up poor always had to be well done, but now it's OK to have a medium rare thick fuckin pork chop. Religion is great when It tells you to be nice and treat all men as your brothers, it's highly lame when it tells you what not to eat for lunch.
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Jan 27, 2017 21:46
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Trichinosis is a curse from God for disobeying holy diet. Also probably shellfish allergies, God did it, he hates when you eat shellfish. God didn't bother creating the FDA lol
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Jan 27, 2017 21:49
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SatansOnion posted:I also heard something once that the ancient prohibition of pork had something to do with how pigs eat many of the same things humans do, which made feeding them essentially taking food out of the mouths of people around you. Since I am not a paleofoodologist, however, I may well be wrong Pigs were generally popular food animals because they'll eat literally anything and thrive on it, most farmers weren't feeding them human grade food. There's little reason to when they'll happily eat scraps, carrion, spoiled produce, and other "waste". It might be true in a sense compared to grass eating herbivores, where their diet obviously can't sustain a human. A lot of the Jewish food laws are basically "how not to get sick when living in the MENA region at time of writing." pienipple has a new favorite as of 22:03 on Jan 27, 2017 |
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Jan 27, 2017 21:58
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chitoryu12 posted:Don't most religions with those restrictions also usually say that it doesn't count if it's against your knowledge or will? It depends on the religion. In the case of Islam it's one of those minor rules that you should endeavor to follow but it isn't a huge deal if you break it sometimes.
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Jan 27, 2017 22:45
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Low Desert Punk posted:I'd be willing to bet that for most cultures with dietary restrictions, the set of beliefs that shapes their world outlook and culture is much more important than getting to eat some mediocre goon food that they might not like anyway. Kosher observant Jews don't sit around all day like "God drat, if only I could eat a Baconator" Somebody hasn't had to spend most of their life eating turkey bacon, and then tasted the real thing.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:07
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Yeah, and Catholics aren't supposed to eat red meat on Fridays, but we usually only follow that during Lent.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:09
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It depends on the religion. In the case of Islam it's one of those minor rules that you should endeavor to follow but it isn't a huge deal if you break it sometimes. One of the exceptions to the Islam pork ban is "it would be rude to refuse / a burden on my hosts" so... yeah.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:15
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Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, and Catholics aren't supposed to eat red meat on Fridays, but we usually only follow that during Lent. The catholics also once declared that the capybara was a fish so that they could eat it during lent.
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Jan 27, 2017 23:16
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Alhazred posted:The catholics also once declared that the capybara was a fish so that they could eat it during lent. I swear I remember this happening with otters as well. Googling it didn't turn up a result but I did learn that otter fishing is a thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otter_fishing
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Jan 27, 2017 23:32
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It depends on the religion. In the case of Islam it's one of those minor rules that you should endeavor to follow but it isn't a huge deal if you break it sometimes. Yeah. If it would cause harm to you, like refusing a needed medicine because it's pork derived or fasting when you're sick, you're supposed to break the laws. Basically don't hurt yourself to demonstrate devotion, if you need pig insulin to control your diabetes you take it and Allah is glad that you are caring for yourself.
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Jan 28, 2017 00:07
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Solice Kirsk posted:Every religious rule has an asterix next to it just in case it'll benefit the church in the future. I know it benefited an Obelix, at least. Alhazred posted:The catholics also once declared that the capybara was a fish so that they could eat it during lent. And thus did the
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Jan 28, 2017 00:13
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Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, and Catholics aren't supposed to eat red meat on Fridays, but we usually only follow that during Lent. Hardcore Orthodox people fast for 7 weeks before Easter. No meat, not just on Fridays. The really hardcore do it for a few weeks before August 15. Most people just eat whatever, with only Clean Monday being seafood day. pienipple posted:Yeah. If it would cause harm to you, like refusing a needed medicine because it's pork derived or fasting when you're sick, you're supposed to break the laws. Basically don't hurt yourself to demonstrate devotion, if you need pig insulin to control your diabetes you take it and Allah is glad that you are caring for yourself. I imagine it's under similar rules that say that it's okay for pregnant people and travellers to be more flexible, right?
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Jan 28, 2017 00:29
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Serperoth posted:I imagine it's under similar rules that say that it's okay for pregnant people and travellers to be more flexible, right? The biggest, major thing is that it's a very minor guideline rather than a rule. Certain animals are considered "unclean" rather than "unholy," hence the whole "it isn't a huge deal if you eat a pig for a good reason" thing. They're to be avoided but aren't totally, 100% banned. The biggest one was already mentioned and if memory serves the Koran explicitly says "this is an example of it being OK" in that if your host serves you pig meat and he doesn't know about the rule you just eat it so you don't offend him. Starvation is another one; if you're starving and all that's available is pig then you eat the pig. A lot of Americans decided that pig meat is basically Muslim kryptonite after hearing about that rule without realizing that it's just such a minor, not even concrete rule. Part of that is because America is in love with bacon and think that not eating bacon is some sort of unforgivable crime against American culture.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The biggest, major thing is that it's a very minor guideline rather than a rule. Certain animals are considered "unclean" rather than "unholy," hence the whole "it isn't a huge deal if you eat a pig for a good reason" thing. They're to be avoided but aren't totally, 100% banned. The biggest one was already mentioned and if memory serves the Koran explicitly says "this is an example of it being OK" in that if your host serves you pig meat and he doesn't know about the rule you just eat it so you don't offend him. Starvation is another one; if you're starving and all that's available is pig then you eat the pig. I'm doing a Let's Read of an absolutely awful pulp book series, Superhawks, which is basically just a revenge fantasy about Americans with unlimited budget and zero oversight getting revenge for 9/11 by massacring everyone involved (plus their families and children, and occasionally blowing up civilians just in case). There's a scene in the first book where the protagonists that you're supposed to be rooting for throw dead pigs into a mass grave with dead terrorists as a way of denying them paradise.
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Jan 28, 2017 01:53
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm doing a Let's Read of an absolutely awful pulp book series, Superhawks, which is basically just a revenge fantasy about Americans with unlimited budget and zero oversight getting revenge for 9/11 by massacring everyone involved (plus their families and children, and occasionally blowing up civilians just in case). There's a scene in the first book where the protagonists that you're supposed to be rooting for throw dead pigs into a mass grave with dead terrorists as a way of denying them paradise. You can buy bullets coated in pig fat as well as pig fat gun lubricant in America right now for very similar reasons. That, however, is a clever move in marketing; stupid, racist rednecks apparently buy that poo poo up like crazy. There is also this website which is a dumb move in marketing as it looks like it was made in 1994 by an angsty teenager. http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/ Look at this website. Just...look at it. It's like they actively tried to make it as terrible as possible.
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Jan 28, 2017 02:03
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm doing a Let's Read of an absolutely awful pulp book series, Superhawks, which is basically just a revenge fantasy about Americans with unlimited budget and zero oversight getting revenge for 9/11 by massacring everyone involved (plus their families and children, and occasionally blowing up civilians just in case). There's a scene in the first book where the protagonists that you're supposed to be rooting for throw dead pigs into a mass grave with dead terrorists as a way of denying them paradise. That was a bit in the not really written by Tom Clancy Tom Clancy novel The Teeth of the Tiger. The "good guys" shoot a bunch of terrorists who are attacking a mall and then one of the good guys sees a dying terrorist and runs into a sporting goods shop to get a football and tells the terrorist how he just gave him some pigskin.
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Jan 28, 2017 02:10
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ToxicSlurpee posted:
These people are dumb as gently caress, but I remember this really taking off mostly after a number of newspaper articles like this: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17665989/ns/business-us_business/t/target-shifts-muslims-who-wont-ring-pork/#.WIv195-IZpU
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Jan 28, 2017 02:42
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Much like all religions, there will be Muslims who don't really understand the pork taboo fully and are overly cautious about not dealing with pork at all. I really doubt if you served a large number of Muslims pork, they would all react the same way.
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Jan 28, 2017 02:47
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When I think about it the pork thing is really cultural just as much as anything to do with religion. I can't really justify why I think eating dog is so gross. Dog is probably delicious if raised a certain way and then roasted to perfection. But gently caress no I'm not eating dog.
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Jan 28, 2017 02:47
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I'd really like to try horse, but horse eating countries are rather inconveniently located on the other end of long flights.
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Jan 28, 2017 03:02
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This article covers the pig taboo pretty thoroughly: https://longreads.com/2015/10/14/i-would-rather-be-herods-pig-the-history-of-a-taboo/
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Jan 28, 2017 03:09
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Beachcomber posted:I'd really like to try horse, but horse eating countries are rather inconveniently located on the other end of long flights. Assuming you're an American, Mexico isn't too far away...
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Jan 28, 2017 03:16
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Horses are legal for slaughter and sale in America, IIRC the issue is that no one has applied for approval on a slaughterhouse large enough to supply anything beyond a very sparsely populated county
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Jan 28, 2017 04:49
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There was an extremely Muslim full-time clerk who worked at what used to be my regular grocery store. If a pork product in any kind of non-can packaging came across her till, she'd invert a plastic bag over her hand and pick it up like it was dog poop, sometimes while looking at the customer like he/she had just bragged about eating dog poop. I was always conflicted as to how to feel. She must have really needed the job, but she obviously just hated it.
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Jan 28, 2017 05:21
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Horse is loving delicious. And since horses are dumber than pigs, we should be eating them instead. BC SJW Peta Sharia etc.
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The Door Frame posted:Horses are legal for slaughter and sale in America, IIRC the issue is that no one has applied for approval on a slaughterhouse large enough to supply anything beyond a very sparsely populated county The ultimate reason is that Americans think of horses are majestic, pretty things that you ride and admire and not eat, ever. Our society just has a taboo against eating horses so nobody is likely to pony up the dough to set up a proper slaughterhouse for it. Why would they bother? Most people would freak the gently caress out and go "you're selling horse?" CommonShore posted:Horse is loving delicious. And since horses are dumber than pigs, we should be eating them instead. BC SJW Peta Sharia etc. Pigs will eat you if they get a chance.
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Jan 28, 2017 06:07
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The ultimate reason is that Americans think of horses are majestic, pretty things that you ride and admire and not eat, ever. Our society just has a taboo against eating horses so nobody is likely to pony up the dough to set up a proper slaughterhouse for it. Why would they bother? Most people would freak the gently caress out and go "you're selling horse?" Heh, made me giggle.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The ultimate reason is that Americans think of horses are majestic, pretty things that you ride and admire and not eat, ever. Our society just has a taboo against eating horses so nobody is likely to pony up the dough to set up a proper slaughterhouse for it. Why would they bother? Most people would freak the gently caress out and go "you're selling horse?" That's more or less the point I was trying to make. No major distributors want their name next to meat coming off of the animals that represent untamed beauty to America, so only tiny slaughter operations are actually operational after the ban was lifted like 5 or so years ago
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