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Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/825031135793135616

jarofpiss posted:

tbh my question is what is going on with russian women that their government unanimously voted to ok hitting them

too many 'western values' like feminism and not wanting to pump out 10 little Orthodox soldiers for the motherland

Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jan 27, 2017

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The latest research in medieval studies indicates that there was considerable growth among the nobility, clergy, and merchant classes, because serfs got bupkis. In a system where everyone is obligated pay dues to their lord, or tithes to the church, then it's easy to accumulate wealth even in primitive conditions of production.

sounds familiar in more ways than one

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The latest research in medieval studies indicates that there was considerable growth among the nobility, clergy, and merchant classes, because serfs got bupkis. In a system where everyone is obligated pay dues to their lord, or tithes to the church, then it's easy to accumulate wealth even in primitive conditions of production.

Ah so the creation of new ranks created greater exploitation of the serf (rather than splitting the same amount), meaning a more divided ruling class to war among itself as the surplus declined due to the little ice age before being completely undone in western europe by the drop in population from the same and disease.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD

Vermain posted:

Are you a loving anime bad guy or what's the deal here?

The nature of man is conflict. In a word? War.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
the kprf sucks

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Work Friend Keven posted:

The nature of man is conflict. In a word? War.

“Inherited will.Destiny of the age. The dreams of the people.These are things that will not be stopped.As long as people continue to pursue the meaning of freedom. These things will never cease to be” - Vladimir Lenin

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Fallen Hamprince posted:

https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/825031135793135616

hey homex how do you feel about the totally real opposition communist party of russia's vote on this issue

tbh my question is what is going on with russian women that their government unanimously voted to ok hitting them

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

obviously i think it's bad to hit russian women im just asking questions here

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

namesake posted:

Ah so the creation of new ranks created greater exploitation of the serf (rather than splitting the same amount), meaning a more divided ruling class to war among itself as the surplus declined due to the little ice age before being completely undone in western europe by the drop in population from the same and disease.

Because of the primitive conditions of production, Europe was actually overpopulated before the Black Death.

Since serfs were tied to a holding by law, the nobility could jack up rents high enough to the point that serfs were earning subsistence. After the Black Death it became impossible to enforce those laws, which essentially meant that the peasants were free to go where they pleased. If they didn't like the rule of a particular landlord, they could always pack up and leave because there weren't enough goons to stop them. So to attract laborers, rents had to be drastically lowered. It permanently weakened the nobility's stranglehold on the countryside in most places, but the inequality starts climbing back up after Europe stabilizes and the population steadily grows - which reintroduces a labor surplus.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Because of the primitive conditions of production, Europe was actually overpopulated before the Black Death.

Since serfs were tied to a holding by law, the nobility could jack up rents high enough to the point that serfs were earning subsistence. After the Black Death it became impossible to enforce those laws, which essentially meant that the peasants were free to go where they pleased. If they didn't like the rule of a particular landlord, they could always pack up and leave because there weren't enough goons to stop them. So to attract laborers, rents had to be drastically lowered. It permanently weakened the nobility's stranglehold on the countryside in most places, but the inequality starts climbing back up after Europe stabilizes and the population steadily grows - which reintroduces a labor surplus.

And yet the complete opposite happens in Eastern Europe, which is why they still had peasants in Russia in 1917!

By what measure was Europe overpopulated though?

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

namesake posted:

By what measure was Europe overpopulated though?

farmhands to arable land

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

namesake posted:

And yet the complete opposite happens in Eastern Europe, which is why they still had peasants in Russia in 1917!

They weren't as severely affected by the plague, which meant Eastern nobility had the strength to tighten their grip on the countryside.

quote:

By what measure was Europe overpopulated though?

What Prav said.

There was little incentive to develop innovations in labor saving technology before the Black Death, because there was always a surplus of peasants & laborers to throw at any problem. European diets weren't very diverse before the Columbian exchange, and production of grains was very labor intensive. So there was a massive surplus of labor producing relatively little in terms of real nutrition, and those primitive methods of production led to overdevelopment of the countryside. Most parts of Western Europe were almost completely deforested, because every square inch of arable land had to be purposed toward a feudal holding. It was a completely unsustainable system and it would have only become more gruesome and burdensome, without all the mass death to force innovations in production and greater incomes for the masses.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Fallen Hamprince posted:

too many 'western values' like feminism and not wanting to pump out 10 little Orthodox soldiers for the motherland

you edited this post instead of responding to jarofpiss down the thread for some reason but yes, that is a bad bill. you'll notice the only politician quoted in opposition is a communist, and the final vote count is 383 in a legislative body which numbers 450. i'd like to see how the parties voted but i'm guessing a lot of communists abstained

e: and lookie here. five minutes of searching gets you this.

quote:

The Communist Party faction opposed the bill. MP Yuri Sinelshikov said that, though the change would make life easier for magistrates and investigators, it could lead to a rise in domestic killings and even “make violence inside a family an accepted norm.”

The other major opposition caucus in the State Duma – the Liberal Democratic Party – supported the motion, with its flamboyant leader, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, saying in his Duma speech that the bill will actually be protecting the family. He also called upon his colleagues “not to interfere into family affairs” and announced that the best way to prevent beatings was “to marry someone who you love and who loves you.”

also worth noting: this is being passed in spite of the russian people's opinions on domestic violence. almost like putin's russia is a government of the national bourgeoisie, or something

quote:

A survey this month by state-run pollster VTsIOM found 19% of Russians said “it can be acceptable” to hit one’s wife, husband or child “in certain circumstances,” the Associated Press reported. The nationwide poll by phone of 1,800 people was held Jan. 13-15. The survey had a margin of error of 2.5 percentage points.

R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 27, 2017

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

R. Guyovich posted:

you edited this post instead of responding to jarofpiss down the thread for some reason
im phoneposting

quote:

but yes, that is a bad bill. you'll notice the only politician quoted in opposition is a communist, and the final vote count is 383 in a legislative body which numbers 450. i'd like to see how the parties voted but i'm guessing a lot of communists abstained

e: and lookie here. five minutes of searching gets you this.


also worth noting: this is being passed in spite of the russian people's opinions on domestic violence. almost like putin's russia is a government of the national bourgeoisie, or something

they opposed it so strongly they didn't bother to vote lol

Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 27, 2017

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Enough! We must ask our Abuela to seize power in a coup and launch a nuclear war to free russian women from the slavic untermensch barbarians!

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

what the gently caress is wrong with Russia's communist party that they make the dems look like a vigorous and principled opposition by comparison

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Fallen Hamprince posted:

what the gently caress is wrong with Russia's communist party that they make the dems look like a vigorous and principled opposition by comparison

I'm guessing it's them (correctly?) estimating that pushing their public opposition too far is gonna lead to their tea getting spiked with polonium.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Europeans growing more paranoid about foreign elements and clashes of civilizations during times of gross inequality doesn't fit into the pattern at all. When was the last time that happened?

Besides being obvious there's apparently empirical research on this issue that strongly supports the theory economic fears and uncertainty make people more racist and xenophobic. The less secure your own future, the more you feel that when others are getting ahead it is at your expense. Or so I heard on the radio, I haven't bothered to check any literature myself.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
baloogan probates good posters like pener kropoopkin yet allows avowed class traitor fallen hamprince sully this thread with his liberal lies

Metal Pink Babble
Mar 31, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I find it kinda funny/sad that McCaine was a good mod who produced good and content-rich OP's, maintained law and order, replied to my posts without berating me, and didn't shake down posters to meet quota. I really miss that dude.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Metal Pink Babble posted:

I find it kinda funny/sad that McCaine was a good mod who produced good and content-rich OP's, maintained law and order, replied to my posts without berating me, and didn't shake down posters to meet quota. I really miss that dude.

same, though the homework explainer has nearly the same grasp of material that McCaine has

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Weeping Wound posted:

same, though the homework explainer has nearly the same grasp of material that McCaine has

Somewhere in Germany McCaine wakes with a start, "gently caress, did I just get massively burned?"

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

namesake posted:

Somewhere in Germany McCaine wakes with a start, "gently caress, did I just get massively burned?"

oh poo poo, I actually did lay down some fire

I take it back!! go back to sleep elf friend!!

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

we need to ban the extraction of surplus value from labor until we can figure out what's going on

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ferrinus posted:

we need to ban the extraction of surplus value from labor until we can figure out what's going on

:trumppop:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/AnchorageDsa/status/825133351560499201

Trumpenproletariat
Nov 26, 2016

by zen death robot
trump is totally accelerating us towards socialism, sucks to all of you who were down on supporting him

time for all good commies to join the national guard for the paid gun and explosives training, and the opportunity to steal equipment for the revolution

The republicans are passing some bills that make it much easier to get and carry guns too

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



That's a good idea but honestly you can learn most of it by just googling and going to the gun range to practice. My friend just got done with basic and he said 80% if it was being yelled at and brainwashed.

Trumpenproletariat
Nov 26, 2016

by zen death robot
Too bad I live in a fascist state that doesn't let people own guns.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Ferrinus posted:

we need to ban the extraction of surplus value from labor until we can figure out what's going on

That's going on a placard. Cheers!

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ferrinus posted:

we need to ban the extraction of surplus value from labor until we can figure out what's going on
:yeah:

Metal Pink Babble
Mar 31, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Ferrinus posted:

we need to ban the extraction of surplus value from labor until we can figure out what's going on

:master:, pre

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFdtI4VN7s

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

owns

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

good action tonight at the iah. mobiliz ed about 200-300 people within an hours notice and protested inside the terminal without a permit. great organizing opportunity, signed up probably 100ish people for the dsa.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

just want to remind you that people in your town are only waiting for a chance to be heard so get your poo poo together and organize and they will show up

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

jarofpiss posted:

just want to remind you that people in your town are only waiting for a chance to be heard so get your poo poo together and organize and they will show up

uhhh...this is my first time at the senor tacos open mic night...and...uh....i just wanted to say...death to capitalism

now im going to play freebird, but bear with me im learning

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
how is the dsa for people that are probably a lot more red than a lot of their members, given that the Soviet Union is gone and there aren't really any big C communists around now

i mean what does the cpusa even do now besides acting as punching bags for media

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The CPUSA collects rent from Manhattan offices they bought in the 50s, and endorses Clinton.

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Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Yeah I guess I'm not surprised

I don't mind being part of a popular front in the current political environment

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