The XCOM Thread: HOW DOES SNEK KICK DOOR?!

Panzeh · # ? Jan 29, 2017 13:33

Lunethex posted:

Reinforcements shooting upon landing is a bug that was hotfixed. Did you download from the Nexus? That hotfix isn't there according to the devs.

I was playing yesterday but maybe the update didn't take. Odd, because I was getting the flamethrower stepout behavior(I think).

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Lunethex · # ? Jan 29, 2017 13:47

There are reports of soldiers being unable to vault over railings and low cover and jump through windows, anyone getting this?

Gyshall · # ? Jan 29, 2017 14:03

wolfman101 posted:

Same issue here.

More Cities is the culprit... It got an update a few hours ago but did not fix my in progress save, FYI.

Alchenar · Alchenar Apr 9, 2008

Have people noticed that Xenonauts 2 has released an update and demo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cenw3LxNr1c

Spoiler alert: they've added a 3d engine so it's literally a clone of XCOM except with the TU system. I didn't get the original because OpenXCOM exists, but it is interesting to see how they're pushing to make a TU system work as well as it possibly can. Also I'd forgotten that LOS was a thing.

HerpicleOmnicron5 · # ? Jan 29, 2017 14:55

Alchenar posted:

Spoiler alert: they've added a 3d engine so it's literally a clone of XCOM except with the TU system. I didn't get the original because OpenXCOM exists, but it is interesting to see how they're pushing to make a TU system work as well as it possibly can. Also I'd forgotten that LOS was a thing.

Xenonauts 1 is a great game that is very little like original XCom. While the base concepts are the same, you just have so many more tools right out of the gate like riot shields, breaching charges and flashbangs. It can feel very much like Rainbow Six/SWAT breaching UFOs instead of mooks going in to die horribly to reaction fire. That and interception is probably the best it has been in this kind of game with active air combat.

Gyshall · # ? Jan 29, 2017 15:08

Alchenar posted:

Have people noticed that Xenonauts 2 has released an update and demo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cenw3LxNr1c

Spoiler alert: they've added a 3d engine so it's literally a clone of XCOM except with the TU system. I didn't get the original because OpenXCOM exists, but it is interesting to see how they're pushing to make a TU system work as well as it possibly can. Also I'd forgotten that LOS was a thing.

I for one welcome this new age of tactical turn based strategy games.

Sulphagnist · # ? Jan 29, 2017 15:21

Alchenar posted:

Have people noticed that Xenonauts 2 has released an update and demo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cenw3LxNr1c

Spoiler alert: they've added a 3d engine so it's literally a clone of XCOM except with the TU system. I didn't get the original because OpenXCOM exists, but it is interesting to see how they're pushing to make a TU system work as well as it possibly can. Also I'd forgotten that LOS was a thing.

Did you maybe accidentally link an old video? Here's one from Friday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTI8IFDQyI8

And the demo: https://www.gog.com/game/xenonauts_2_demo

Gyshall · # ? Jan 29, 2017 15:34

also one thing to note for LW2:

http://www.pavonisinteractive.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=23951&sid=4ab030f3e0987cd3677cc2f305f23fe8#p28378

apparently rebels can get melee perks, which is not intended and is generally useless - add the following to XCOMLW_Outposts.ini:

code:

;Perks the rebels aren't allowed to gain
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Ghostwalker"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Tradecraft"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Phantom"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Covert"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Shadowstrike_LW"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="FieldMedic"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="SaturationFire"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Fleche"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Combatives"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Bladestorm"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Reaper"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Blademaster"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="SwordSlice_LW"
+DisallowedAWCAbilities="Cutthroat"

Lunethex · # ? Jan 29, 2017 15:53

Evac All just gave up the ghost on one mission, no option for it, which is pretty surprising.

Gyshall · # ? Jan 29, 2017 16:32

which mission type?

Also of note for those of us playing bronzeman/ironman - 1.1 introduced a Restart Mission button in all missions on the menu, which is cool.

Lunethex · # ? Jan 29, 2017 16:36

Had to destroy a relay.

Alkydere · # ? Jan 29, 2017 16:40

Antti posted:

Did you maybe accidentally link an old video? Here's one from Friday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTI8IFDQyI8

And the demo: https://www.gog.com/game/xenonauts_2_demo

Yanno I was gonna complain about Xenonauts having the little cover pop-ups like they were stealing from XCOM/2 but then I realized that cover was always there in the game with terrain having a chance to block fire, it's just better represented now.

Thyrork · # ? Jan 29, 2017 17:26

Yeeees. :getin:

More XCOMS! More Xenonauts! More After<BLANK>s!

E: Is anyone having crashes with Instant Avenger Menu's? At least I think thats the culprit. Tabbing out and coming back alittle later caused two crashes and after turning it off it seems to be fine again.

What is NOT okay is losing this gem of a mission name as a result:

_{_{(Thanks Jade)}}

E2: Nevermind, "Operation Unceasing Stroke" makes up for it in all ways imaginable. :allears:

Thyrork fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jan 29, 2017

Lunethex · # ? Jan 29, 2017 17:56

Apparently there was a cut unit in Long War, a Stun Lancer type that used an Arc Thrower.

Boy that would be beyond infuriating having to deal with that in missions, although I do lean towards Revival Protocol for just such a lucky Drone stun.

Soothing Vapors · # ? Jan 29, 2017 18:04

Lunethex posted:

Apparently there was a cut unit in Long War, a Stun Lancer type that used an Arc Thrower.

Boy that would be beyond infuriating having to deal with that in missions, although I do lean towards Revival Protocol for just such a lucky Drone stun.

I'm glad even Pavonis has limits

kater · kater Nov 16, 2010

So I decided to try the Shadow Ops guys because why not. Was I supposed to disable the LW additional classes? Having 11 basic classes is kind of... stupid. I got into heaps of trouble just by not being able to track what I'm bringing with me.

Exposure · Exposure Apr 4, 2014

Gyshall posted:

More Cities is the culprit... It got an update a few hours ago but did not fix my in progress save, FYI.

Yeah this is my fault, long story short I completely forgot that any number as a decimal had to be declared as a float and not an int when I was adding in an offset Maluco found that worked for converting cities from their GPS coordinates to a 2D map projection (since a straight conversion was only partially accurate).

Felt like a very smrt man once I realized my stupid blunder.

upgunned shitpost · # ? Jan 29, 2017 19:06

As long as you're subscribed to both mods, you can just smash classes together into whatever you want. Have the Dragoon borrow some abilities from the Gunner, toss the Ranger and the Infantry class into a blender until you get something you'd like or looks fun. The Grenadier and the Combat Engineer are more or less the same, but the name 'Combat Engineer' is way cooler, so add in bluescreen bombs and the environmental destruction abilities from the Long War tree. Shadow ops dude went a little hammy on the stat growth, so in order to keep it honest you gotta shave down the amount of hp he hands out.

Cythereal · # ? Jan 29, 2017 19:59

Ornamented Death posted:

It is consistent, though. The tip says something like "you only get corpses on missions where you don't evac or leave immediately after the battle." It's pretty consistent with that that you can't hang around a highly-secure Advent facility, even if you just killed everyone there. Advent is surely sending in an army to lock that place down.

I will agree, though, that the game needs to do a BETTER job of explaining when you will and won't get corpses.

Awkward, though, when the Advent Tower and Resistance HQ are in the same territory. Been long enough since I played that I don't remember if it's like that all the time, but it was my first successful campaign.

Bremen · # ? Jan 29, 2017 22:53

Lunethex posted:

There are reports of soldiers being unable to vault over railings and low cover and jump through windows, anyone getting this?

Yeah, I got this. I literally ended up with two soldiers trapped in a building because they wouldn't jump off the roof (even in spots where there was no low cover) or go out a window. Basically, it made the map behave like there were giant invisible forcefields around the building, it even stopped AoE on explosives and stuff. No map mods other than LW2.

I loaded back from a geoscape save and regen'd the mission and it worked fine though.

Ravenfood · Ravenfood Nov 4, 2011

Party Plane Jones posted:

Hack Plus is sort of essential I think because you're going to be hosed for gaining hack experience otherwise.

edit: A beserker managed to knock himself out falling off a building.

Does hack plus let you set it so you only gain XP on a missed hack? Or gain more on a miss than a success at least?

e: vvvvvv Perfect.

Does 3 on a fail, 2 on easy success, 1 on hard success sound reasonable for LW2? Or should it be 3 on fail, nothing on any success (since your benefit from succeeding is, well, the success)?

Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jan 30, 2017

Zore · # ? Jan 29, 2017 23:01

Ravenfood posted:

Does hack plus let you set it so you only gain XP on a missed hack? Or gain more on a miss than a success at least?

You can change it in the ini.

Nordick · # ? Jan 29, 2017 23:15

Alchenar posted:

Spoiler alert: they've added a 3d engine so it's literally a clone of XCOM except with the TU system. I didn't get the original because OpenXCOM exists, but it is interesting to see how they're pushing to make a TU system work as well as it possibly can. Also I'd forgotten that LOS was a thing.

Antti posted:

Did you maybe accidentally link an old video? Here's one from Friday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTI8IFDQyI8

I already knew it was gonna be 3D, as they said as much when they announced they were working on the game. However, it's nice to see it in motion. It looks pretty good, really. Still hard to say much of anything beyond that at this early stage, but hell even if the game literally just ends up as "Xenonauts 1 but in 3D and more polished", I'll play that.
I also love that the soldiers are wearing berets, I hope they keep those. I loving love me some berets.

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Xenonauts 1 is a great game that is very little like original XCom. While the base concepts are the same, you just have so many more tools right out of the gate like riot shields, breaching charges and flashbangs. It can feel very much like Rainbow Six/SWAT breaching UFOs instead of mooks going in to die horribly to reaction fire. That and interception is probably the best it has been in this kind of game with active air combat.

Funny, I feel like it was very much like original XCOM, just with some upgrades. I mean yeah it did have more stuff and new game mechanics, but at its heart it was still a pretty faithful remake of the original and tickled my tactics boner in just the same way.

Maluco Marinero · # ? Jan 30, 2017 00:39

Exposure posted:

Yeah this is my fault, long story short I completely forgot that any number as a decimal had to be declared as a float and not an int when I was adding in an offset Maluco found that worked for converting cities from their GPS coordinates to a 2D map projection (since a straight conversion was only partially accurate).

Felt like a very smrt man once I realized my stupid blunder.

Sorry I indirectly broke your poo poo with my advice, so you're RealityMachina?

Apoplexy · # ? Jan 30, 2017 00:55

RealityMachina makes good mods.

Exposure · Exposure Apr 4, 2014

Maluco Marinero posted:

Sorry I indirectly broke your poo poo with my advice, so you're RealityMachina?

Yeah. I had actually thought about including a Something Awful event in Avenger Events and see if anybody would notice, but I figured I might as well just make it obvious at this point. :v:

Maluco Marinero · # ? Jan 30, 2017 01:50

Exposure posted:

Yeah. I had actually thought about including a Something Awful event in Avenger Events and see if anybody would notice, but I figured I might as well just make it obvious at this point.

You lost an engineer? They were pushed down the stairs by a Spark. The Spark must be dismantled for the good of ship morale.

lazorexplosion · # ? Jan 30, 2017 02:06

Exposure posted:

Yeah. I had actually thought about including a Something Awful event in Avenger Events and see if anybody would notice, but I figured I might as well just make it obvious at this point.

Pay 300 supplies to rebuild the avenger because it turns out Tygan is a goddamn idiot.

All your rebels lose supplies this month because one of them tries to build an Advent Burger stand.

The world map is closed this month pending big changes, the it re-opens and is exactly the same.

Roobanguy · # ? Jan 30, 2017 02:10

xenonauts has you make plasma and then go "You know what's even cooler than plasma? Railguns." and that is cool as heck imo.

Lunethex · # ? Jan 30, 2017 02:20

Make a tongue in cheek joke about the Fatigue system from LW1.

Thyrork · # ? Jan 30, 2017 02:27

Roobanguy posted:

xenonauts has you make plasma and then go "You know what's even cooler than plasma? Railguns." and that is cool as heck imo.

Yes, I absolutely loving adored that. The lead science guy going "The only limit is the fact they explode on atmosphere, and if we could get these into space we could really test them." was gold too. :allears:

Exposure posted:

Yeah. I had actually thought about including a Something Awful event in Avenger Events and see if anybody would notice, but I figured I might as well just make it obvious at this point.

Someone sneaks a Viper plushy onto the avenger. It truly is something awful.

Alkydere · # ? Jan 30, 2017 03:12

Roobanguy posted:

xenonauts has you make plasma and then go "You know what's even cooler than plasma? Railguns." and that is cool as heck imo.

Yeah, Xenonaut Science Officer goes "Wait...WAIT! Our bullets tore through their armor early on because it was designed to resist THEIR weapons! Why are we copying them? Let's go back to bullets but bigger!" At which point he uses alien technology to basically pack the wallop of a .50 BMG into an easy to manage SMG thanks to the built-in inertial compensators.

I think Xenonauts was also pretty interesting that it didn't give the human players psychic powers, that was a realm of fuckery only available to the AI/enemy but in return we did get the "humans are terrifying monsters" tier of weaponry.

Charlotte of Oz · # ? Jan 30, 2017 03:45

I'm thinking the Technical's flamethrower still needs a little work

Ravenfood · Ravenfood Nov 4, 2011

Alright, I've set up LW2, sat down, and am ready to play? What should I know about the various new classes? A few infiltration-specc'd Shinobi (is there an easy way to rename this or the Ranger?) seem essential, but without unlocked perk trees for possible synergies (seriously why is this not a thing) I'm not sure what else I'm going to want. If its anything like LW1, each class has two "archetypes" and a 3rd generalist survival tree, but I don't want to get far in and realize that I really, really needed a support grenadier instead of a demolitionist or the hacker/medic choice.

Also, good classes for officers?

BexGu · # ? Jan 30, 2017 04:31

Charlotte of Oz posted:

I'm thinking the Technical's flamethrower still needs a little work

Strangely all flame thrower mod all have that issue. There is a fun semi experimental mod called Flamer 2 mod that creates a flamethrower shotgun replacement that is pretty fun through. Makes the flame alot wider and also sets everything on fire

Combine it with the LW2 raider class mod and you've got a class that has a flame thrower, grenade launcher, and the ability to go sheath at least once per mission.

pedro0930 · # ? Jan 30, 2017 04:34

Ravenfood posted:

Alright, I've set up LW2, sat down, and am ready to play? What should I know about the various new classes? A few infiltration-specc'd Shinobi (is there an easy way to rename this or the Ranger?) seem essential, but without unlocked perk trees for possible synergies (seriously why is this not a thing) I'm not sure what else I'm going to want. If its anything like LW1, each class has two "archetypes" and a 3rd generalist survival tree, but I don't want to get far in and realize that I really, really needed a support grenadier instead of a demolitionist or the hacker/medic choice.

Also, good classes for officers?

Holo sniper, specialist, or rifleman are all good officer candidates since they all have single action ability they can use very often and stay with the squad to use their command skill. Look for candidate with really high aim, since they'll later learn a skill that help nearby troop with lower aim.

I actually find Shinobi kind of meh when spec for infiltration. I think all they need is tradecraft then get sword or middle skill so they can actually do things once the shooting starts. Might be down to play style though.

pedro0930 fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jan 30, 2017

800peepee51doodoo · # ? Jan 30, 2017 05:42

Ravenfood posted:

Alright, I've set up LW2, sat down, and am ready to play? What should I know about the various new classes? A few infiltration-specc'd Shinobi (is there an easy way to rename this or the Ranger?) seem essential, but without unlocked perk trees for possible synergies (seriously why is this not a thing) I'm not sure what else I'm going to want. If its anything like LW1, each class has two "archetypes" and a 3rd generalist survival tree, but I don't want to get far in and realize that I really, really needed a support grenadier instead of a demolitionist or the hacker/medic choice.

Also, good classes for officers?

You can unlock perk trees in the options.

Lunethex · # ? Jan 30, 2017 06:08

A Faceless revealed in the usual bullshit way that gives him a free action and still attacked me while he was Burning. Good stuff I can't wait to fight the Long War take on 'lids now :yum:

buglord · # ? Jan 30, 2017 07:17

I need help! I'm new to XCOM and stuff. I'm getting my booty licked in combat.

During the initial stages of missions, I can usually get my squad into advantageous positions and pull off sick 3-way overwatch eliminations. But as soon as the fog of war clears or more enemies spawn, I'm flanked to all hell and everyones in my blindspot. As far as I can tell, most cover tiles offer 2 adjacent low cover bonuses or 1 single high cover bonus, so I can't really hole up in some alleyway and pop dudes.

And then those skinny pink psyops aliens turn a corpse behind my dude into a zombie and oops 3 people are dead because our heavy gunner turned against us.

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Jabor · # ? Jan 30, 2017 07:31

In vanilla XCOM 2, you basically want to go balls-out and wipe aliens the turn you see them. Grenades and heavy weapons to destroy their cover are your friend, run and gun with a shotgun is your friend, and so on.

If you can't kill them immediately, you'll want to debuff them - standing in high cover is okay, but not completely reliable for the long haul. You can suppress single enemies once you have the levels, but even from the start you can use flashbang grenades to ruin their aim and prevent them from using abilities, while you move up to flank them next turn.

By moving fast and not getting bogged down in firefights, reinforcements aren't scary at all because you can just overwatch and get them all basically as soon as they drop in.