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Flesh Forge posted:Your view (that nazi organization is on the decline or not gaining traction) is provably really wrong though. Like, super wrong. I mean, here's one pretty loud and clear example: so people making accusations about fascism, an ideology based on mass mobilization and collectivization of a population, is making the word "fascism" more common, i'm really not surprised the first time i heard anyone seriously refer to something as fascist last year was someone being exceptionally Angry About Trump, though
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i mean there's some kind of notion in the thread that humanity can't be trusted to have certain ideas floating around the population, and i'm a bit too optimistic about humanity to really go with that Lol gently caress off idiot and stop defending people who agree with genocide.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:34
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Crowsbeak posted:Can we kick them? a kick is basically a punch except even stronger and w/ longer reach! so no!!
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Jan 30, 2017 04:34
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when the socialists violated the NAP, I did nothing for it was the will of the free market bitch
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Jan 30, 2017 04:35
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Pseudo-God posted:A non-Nazi, non-genocidal, non-hateful, but still racist person might make a statement such as "Man those Jews control everyone through the banks and hold the globe in power with the power of debt", and get marked for violence.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:36
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This notion that some kind of overwhelming majority is required for full fascism to take off, that's neat. Do you think Hitler had to get a 75% majority vote before he started sticking people into gas chambers?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:36
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:careful man, someone's going to mockingly accuse you of using a "slippery slope" argument and maybe even suggest you're autistic I also remember when I first read the logical fallacies page on Wikipedia, couldn't wait to copy paste them against my debate opponents to show them how smart I am. I asked my politics professor how can I tell when a slippery slope is an example of a logical fallacy and when is it legitimate, and I remember his answer very well. He said "use your judgement", a very wise suggestion, unlike what I am seeing here in this thread, where people can't wait to jump on you with "You just used this fallacy, your argument is invalid  ", not realizing that sometimes it is valid reasoning.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:36
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Pseudo-God posted:I also remember when I first read the logical fallacies page on Wikipedia, couldn't wait to copy paste them against my debate opponents to show them how smart I am. I asked my politics professor how can I tell when a slippery slope is an example of a logical fallacy and when is it legitimate, and I remember his answer very well. He said "use your judgement", a very wise suggestion, unlike what I am seeing here in this thread, where people can't wait to jump on you with "You just used this fallacy, your argument is invalid Even if "Somebody might punch other people that go on about how much they hate the jews" is valid reasoning it's not exactly a very compelling point I've gotta say.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:39
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Kilroy posted:It's weird, I've reread your post half a dozen times and I still can't find the part where your hypothetical racist suggests that we genocide all the Jews. Can you point it out to me? He isn't advocating for it, I was just clarifying how such a person could be marked for being a Nazi in a situation where the judgement is left to the mobs.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:40
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i went over that before man, the world and ~the culture~ changed at least in my view Tell that to the Bosnian people.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:41
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i once ironically joked about jewish bankers so im basically 2 degrees removed from nazis. im very concerned about this slippery slope and cannot condone fashbashing unless my concerns are addressed
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Jan 30, 2017 04:41
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Flesh Forge posted:This notion that some kind of overwhelming majority is required for full fascism to take off, that's neat. Do you think Hitler had to get a 75% majority vote before he started sticking people into gas chambers? you're arguing hypotheticals that are nowhere close to being fulfilled, if they ever do at all
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Jan 30, 2017 04:41
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Many state governments in the US are introducing bills that would outlaw peaceful protest (especially in response to state violence) and take democratic control away from citizens. Historically (or at least in recent memory as we can tell with the suspension of elections and subsequent rise of a less moderate insurgency in Iraq) that leads to people choosing violent forms of protest since it's illegal anyway to stand around and put a target on your back. I don't really buy a freedom of speech argument here when lawmakers are trying to outlaw peaceful free speech.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:42
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:you're arguing hypotheticals that are nowhere close to being fulfilled, if they ever do at all 
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Jan 30, 2017 04:43
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Pseudo-God posted:He isn't advocating for it, I was just clarifying how such a person could be marked for being a Nazi in a situation where the judgement is left to the mobs. 
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Jan 30, 2017 04:44
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no, the trick is to watch out for the opinions that might also be held by a person who advocates genocide, then bring on the fists
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Jan 30, 2017 04:45
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does this entire talking point stem back to the unrealistic Fear Of The PC Police that's so popular in culture and which was born out of old cold war anti-communist talking points
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Jan 30, 2017 04:47
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:no, the trick is to watch out for the opinions that might also be held by a person who advocates genocide, then bring on the fists Maybe these mobs can have a designated guy with a checklist who goes through the opinions of the potential targets. Each opinion on the list entitles the lucky winner with a set amount of punches.
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Rodatose posted:does this entire talking point stem back to the unrealistic Fear Of The PC Police that's so popular in culture and which was born out of old cold war anti-communist talking points you're one to talk about being afraid of the police, looking at the rest of your posts in the thread
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Jan 30, 2017 04:48
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Rodatose posted:does this entire talking point stem back to the unrealistic Fear Of The PC Police that's so popular in culture and which was born out of old cold war anti-communist talking points it's reactionary garbage from people who are utterly unempathetic to people currently being victimized so yes people who sympathize more with garden variety anti semites and fear for them getting punched as they squeal about Jewish bankers
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Jan 30, 2017 04:50
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:no, the trick is to watch out for the opinions that might also be held by a person who advocates genocide, then bring on the fists Pseudo-God posted:Maybe these mobs can have a designated guy with a checklist who goes through the opinions of the potential targets. Each opinion on the list entitles the lucky winner with a set amount of punches. I'm imagining the back and forth between you two as if you've gotten together to smoke some dank weed and it's actually making the thread a lot better
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Jan 30, 2017 04:51
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:you're one to talk about being afraid of the police, looking at the rest of your posts in the thread the guait laughs as he stands over the bodies of pocs who have been murdered by the state you silly minorities, he says, you shouldn't have punched nazis
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Jan 30, 2017 04:51
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:no, the trick is to watch out for the opinions that might also be held by a person who advocates genocide, then bring on the fists
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Jan 30, 2017 04:51
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:you're one to talk about being afraid of the police, looking at the rest of your posts in the thread the PC police doesn't exist, police departments who shoot people and then don't get tried for it do exist. they both have the word "police" in them but i assure you that doesn't make them the same thing
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Jan 30, 2017 04:52
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stone cold posted:the guait laughs as he stands over the bodies of pocs who have been murdered by the state you sure think about dead bodies of minorities a lot
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Jan 30, 2017 04:52
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:you sure think about dead bodies of minorities a lot it's called empathy, you should try it some time
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Jan 30, 2017 04:54
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i've never tried empathizing with a corpse, how do you do that is it like attempting suicide
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Jan 30, 2017 04:55
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:you're arguing hypotheticals that are nowhere close to being fulfilled, if they ever do at all And you're not doing the same? Are you some kind of telepathic census taker? If empirical evidence that organized nazism (whether i name or simply a duplication of ideological goals) is gaining traction is not enough to convince you what are you making your judgment on?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:55
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Pseudo-God posted:Maybe these mobs can have a designated guy with a checklist who goes through the opinions of the potential targets. Each opinion on the list entitles the lucky winner with a set amount of punches. Ethnic cleansing: Just like, your opinion man 
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Jan 30, 2017 04:57
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i've never tried empathizing with a corpse, how do you do that is it like attempting suicide so you have zero empathy for victims of the holocaust victims of genocide victims of war crimes victims of murder by the state so this whole time you really were just afraid of gettin punched, got it
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Jan 30, 2017 04:57
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Flesh Forge posted:And you're not doing the same? Are you some kind of telepathic census taker? If empirical evidence that organized nazism (whether i name or simply a duplication of ideological goals) is gaining traction is not enough to convince you what are you making your judgment on? what i'm saying is that the evidence i've seen doesn't convince me that a movement large enough to cause a genocide, or anything close to a genocide, is capable of forming at the moment admittedly it's kind of a ~gut feeling~ tempered by a general tendency to chillax
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Jan 30, 2017 04:58
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stone cold posted:so you have zero empathy for victims of the holocaust nah, i just stopped taking you seriously a long fuckin time ago
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Jan 30, 2017 04:59
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:what i'm saying is that the evidence i've seen doesn't convince me that a movement large enough to cause a genocide, or anything close to a genocide, is capable of forming at the moment you have no empathy for victims of genocide, and your gut feeling is how to avoid punches go jerk off to eichmann, you total loving pig
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:nah, i just stopped taking you seriously a long fuckin time ago joking about victims of police murder funny you should tell this stuff at your next cross burning
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Jan 30, 2017 05:00
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whoops, did you die of a police murder 
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Jan 30, 2017 05:01
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:whoops, did you die of a police murder go to hell pig join your beloved hitler
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Jan 30, 2017 05:02
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:what i'm saying is that the evidence i've seen doesn't convince me that a movement large enough to cause a genocide, or anything close to a genocide, is capable of forming at the moment Okay, well, the evidence I've seen convinces me that you do not assign sufficient weight to the consequences of allowing these motherfuckers free reign to try try try again until oops they get it right and then, well, that's pretty bad isn't it? I don't think the other guys are very interested in how chillax you are.
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Jan 30, 2017 05:06
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well yeah, it's not like a roadrunner cartoon where the nazis keep setting up one elaborate rube goldberg contraption after another until one finally works and all the jews get dead what i see is they're not capable of succeeding in the united states at all anymore, due to reasons i've discussed, they can keep trying and they'll keep failing because the nazi thing can never garner enough support to genocide some peeps
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Jan 30, 2017 05:08
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first they came for the guys who think jews run the world bank, and I said nothing because gently caress those people bash the fash, then they came for the guys who think racial mixing is white genocide, and I said nothing because gently caress those people bash the fash, then they came for the guys who cheer police brutality, harass minorities on the internet, advocate for banning religions and refugees, and I said the same thing and by that point we were all pretty tired of beating the gently caress out of fascists, and they were all hosed up, and they all thought twice about telling their horseshit ideas to other people. The End.
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that sounds like a slippery slope fallacy man, you're being disingenuous and don't belong in our pristine precious d&d
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