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pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.
Doesn't sound all doom and gloom to me. Just that he's overworked and a bit irritated. Might work out for the best.

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Dacap
Jul 8, 2008

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower.

You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.



It's probably equal parts Live By Night bombing and Affleck realizing it might be hard to direct yourself in a highly choreographed action film.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Lurdiak posted:

Bye, DC cinematic universe.

He's still starring, I wouldn't celebrate just yet.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Barry Convex posted:

Affleck had apparently been unhappy with the script for some time

Wasn't he writing the thing?

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Everything is just fine guys. Don't worry. It'll all work out just fine.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I just saw some poo poo on Facebook that Henry Cavill is the favored choice for the next James Bond.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Rhyno posted:

I just saw some poo poo on Facebook that Henry Cavill is the favored choice for the next James Bond.

Well at least he has a fallback plan for when the DC Movies are dead. Which is gonna be really soon right guys?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Rhyno posted:

I just saw some poo poo on Facebook that Henry Cavill is the favored choice for the next James Bond.

After The Man from UNCLE I am absolutely fine with that.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Rhyno posted:

I just saw some poo poo on Facebook that Henry Cavill is the favored choice for the next James Bond.

Too square jawed. Bond shouldn't have a Sylvester Stallone-esque action hero build.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

WickedHate posted:

Too square jawed. Bond shouldn't have a Sylvester Stallone-esque action hero build.

He's only enormous as Superman. He lets a lot of that bulk go when not doing a DC film. His build from the Tudors would be ideal.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


WickedHate posted:

He's still starring, I wouldn't celebrate just yet.

I'm not celebrating, I'm just lamenting that they just lost their best chance at turning critical consensus around. I actually wanted that movie to be good, I like it when Batman movies are good!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I hear Joel Schumacher isn't too busy.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Rhyno posted:

He's only enormous as Superman. He lets a lot of that bulk go when not doing a DC film. His build from the Tudors would be ideal.

Eh, I dunno. Still a bit too "rugged" for me. Except for Brosnan none of the Bonds have been exceptionally handsome or fit, and Brosnan still wasn't an action-y guy. Cavill looks like someone who could kick rear end in a fight. When Bond seduces a lady it should be because he's a cunning linguist suave, not because he just happens to look like a movie star.

Who knows though. No one liked Danial Craig when he was announced but Casino Royal kicked rear end, and regardless of quality playing Superman and Bond has got to be a pretty great milestone.

WickedHate fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jan 31, 2017

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


I actually kind of had hopes for an Affleck-directed Batman, even if, now that I consider it, he might not have been a great fit for the material. This is just a trainwreck.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WickedHate posted:

Too square jawed. Bond shouldn't have a Sylvester Stallone-esque action hero build.

Worked for Daniel Craig.

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzYRlISYE8Y

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Worked for Daniel Craig.

I don't wanna be harsh, but Danial Craig doesn't have a face that's all that conventionally attractive, so I'm willing to write him off as average even if he has pecs under the suit.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
My friend who was a huge Bond fan described Craig and being a more "thuggish" Bond.

I still need to see The Man from Uncle, my parents loved it but they loved the original show.

rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



Daniel Craig was exactly the Bond that Fleming wrote in Casino Royale, it's not his fault half of his films sucked (see also Brosnan.)

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

rantmo posted:

Daniel Craig was exactly the Bond that Fleming wrote in Casino Royale, it's not his fault half of his films sucked (see also Brosnan.)
And Moore.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


rantmo posted:

Daniel Craig was exactly the Bond that Fleming wrote in Casino Royale, it's not his fault half of his films sucked (see also Brosnan.)

Didn't they slowly turn him into regular-rear end Bond, dropping all the roughness and alcoholism he had in Royale?

rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



Lurdiak posted:

Didn't they slowly turn him into regular-rear end Bond, dropping all the roughness and alcoholism he had in Royale?

Skyfall still had a lot of rough edges to him, I actually never saw Quantum of Solace or SPECTRE which is a decision I stand by.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Lurdiak posted:

Didn't they slowly turn him into regular-rear end Bond, dropping all the roughness and alcoholism he had in Royale?

At the start of Skyfall he quits to go get drunk and become a pirate king.

Craig's movies don't really tie together well though. Casino Royale has him as a green agent, and then in Skyfall he's already an veteran who other characters think is past his prime. Spectre tries to tie it all together but it's a loving mess and one of the times that studio notes and executive interference actually improved a film.

Rogue Nation and Man From UNCLE are better Bond films than most Bond films.

rantmo posted:

Skyfall still had a lot of rough edges to him, I actually never saw Quantum of Solace or SPECTRE which is a decision I stand by.

SPECTRE's intro in Mexico is fantastic, and I wish they'd continued the gimmick through the entire opening scene.

But otherwise you absolutely made the right call.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


the main thing that sticks with me about Skyfall is the scene where he sneaks up on a rape survivor in the shower

James Bond is an rear end in a top hat

e: and then when she dies he's incredibly callous about it for no reason

Arist fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jan 31, 2017

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?
Don't worry guys we can have the incredible auteur that is Zack Snyder direct the Batman movie, he will draw the storyboards while wearing Batman's gauntlets like a total dork!

Rough Lobster
May 27, 2009

Don't be such a squid, bro

rantmo posted:

Skyfall still had a lot of rough edges to him, I actually never saw Quantum of Solace or SPECTRE which is a decision I stand by.

You should get drunk and watch QoS and see how many times you lose track of what's going on and why.

Also, the last act takes place in a fire and explosion factory and is completely bonkers.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Arist posted:

the main thing that sticks with me about Skyfall is the scene where he sneaks up on a rape survivor in the shower

James Bond is an rear end in a top hat

e: and then when she dies he's incredibly callous about it for no reason

This is super Bond though, he's supposed to be a scumbag. Bond is someone i never want to see modernized, to have his lovely, misogynistic self changed, but I want to see people call him out on it, to not fall for his charms and reject him.

You know what is really funny, outside of the accent and pop culture obsession, Archer is Bond.

But yea, I worry about a Batman movie directed by the stable DC has, I'd prefer Kevin loving Smith over Ayer or Snyder. At least Smith has some kind of vision beyond "just doing what Frank Miller did".

Hey what's the guy who directed John Wick doing these days?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


twistedmentat posted:

This is super Bond though, he's supposed to be a scumbag. Bond is someone i never want to see modernized, to have his lovely, misogynistic self changed, but I want to see people call him out on it, to not fall for his charms and reject him.

But I mean even when he was super openly misogynistic in the Sean Connery days, they made him more suave and classy and charming than he was in the books. He's never been not modernized.

Alan Moore's probably the only guy who's written the kind of Bond you're talking about.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

twistedmentat posted:

Hey what's the guy who directed John Wick doing these days?

Deadpool 2.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Lurdiak posted:

But I mean even when he was super openly misogynistic in the Sean Connery days, they made him more suave and classy and charming than he was in the books. He's never been not modernized.

Alan Moore's probably the only guy who's written the kind of Bond you're talking about.

I have never seen Moore's Bond, didn't even know it existed.


X-O posted:

Deadpool 2.

Oh well, then he's in a good place. You know there are probably someone out there with bout a vision and passion that would make an excellent Batman movie and not just rehash what we've seen time and time again. Though I'm sure if they did something crazy like get Gareth Evans or Joon-ho Bong to direct it, DC and WB would probably have their fingerprints all over it. "You gotta show The Waynes being murdered, it's iconic!" and "You need to have the Joker in there, we spent all this money promoting Jared Leto".

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

twistedmentat posted:

I have never seen Moore's Bond, didn't even know it existed.
He's in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I thought about it some more and in retrospect I do think they should've had an older asian guy play The Ancient One instead of Tilda Swinton, so I could make more jokes about confusing stills from the film with Batman Begins and The Last Samurai.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I think Cavill was considered for Bond back when Craig was cast. (Like Dalton in 1968, he would've been too young.)

He was also cited by Stephanie Meyer as her first choice to play the main vampire side in the Twilight movies, but by then he was either too old or too busy.

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.

twistedmentat posted:

My friend who was a huge Bond fan described Craig and being a more "thuggish" Bond.

I still need to see The Man from Uncle, my parents loved it but they loved the original show.

After the first 20 minutes, it's basically The Italian Tourist Board Presents: Fun Retro Spy Stuff.

Not even knocking it, it just looks insanely gorgeous and makes you want to drop everything and go to Italy, almost evey frame is beautiful. Even a scene where Cavill is knocked out and the villain gazes down at him looks like art. I still can't believe Guy Ritchie directed it.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
I wish they had gotten Idris Elba to be Bond.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Sentinel Red posted:

After the first 20 minutes, it's basically The Italian Tourist Board Presents: Fun Retro Spy Stuff.

Not even knocking it, it just looks insanely gorgeous and makes you want to drop everything and go to Italy, almost evey frame is beautiful. Even a scene where Cavill is knocked out and the villain gazes down at him looks like art. I still can't believe Guy Ritchie directed it.

Yeah, the whole thing is stylish as hell. I think you can see Guy Ritchie in some of the action scenes, like early on when the camera is fixed to the gear lever in the car.

It's funny to think that Arnie Hammer was going to be Batman at one point too.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
I'm in awe of DC/WB's incompetence.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Doctor Spaceman posted:

It's funny to think that Arnie Hammer was going to be Batman at one point too.

The Lone Ranger was meant to be his big breakout action role after he did the Facebook movie but it ended up being, well, The Lone Ranger.

I went to see that movie with my parents in the cinema at Disneyland (pickings were slim - it was either that or Planes) and they absolutely loved it. My dad said he thought it was the best movie he'd seen that year.

Western movies trying to be "action" movies doesn't really work out. Cowboys & Aliens also failed despite having a decent amount of star power attached.

And I can't tell you how much eight-year old me wanted Wild, Wild West with Will Smith to be good. :smith:

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."

Wheat Loaf posted:

The Lone Ranger was meant to be his big breakout action role after he did the Facebook movie but it ended up being, well, The Lone Ranger.

I went to see that movie with my parents in the cinema at Disneyland (pickings were slim - it was either that or Planes) and they absolutely loved it. My dad said he thought it was the best movie he'd seen that year.

Western movies trying to be "action" movies doesn't really work out. Cowboys & Aliens also failed despite having a decent amount of star power attached.

And I can't tell you how much eight-year old me wanted Wild, Wild West with Will Smith to be good. :smith:

Western movies can certainly be action movies. They just also need to not be poo poo movies. All three of the films that you listed were balls-terrible. The Wild Bunch, The Searchers, Once upon a time in the West and Unforgiven are westerns and action movies and they're fuckin' cracking.

Sion fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Jan 31, 2017

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Fair enough, I'm not really into westerns. That's what my dad was big into. His old John Wayne videos (Fort Apache and She Wore A Yellow Ribbon are the ones I definitely remember watching) are really my only exposure to the genre.

Haven't even seen Shane or High Noon.

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I guess I need to watch Cavill in something other than a DC movie because he's so flat and bland in those that I can't imagine him as Bond.

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