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Poonior Toilett
Aug 21, 2004

m'lady

Seltzer posted:

We had like the 4th lowest wage bill in the league and we had at least one dp slot open. Instead of winning the east we could've possibly won the whole thing if we spent even just a third of what Toronto spends. Our defense is not in a good state right now and signing just one good European on a fair DP contract would be massive. Look what ex-Belgian league player Ciman has done for Montreal. The fact we won the East is what's letting them get away with their complete inactivity in the transfer market this year imo.

I can't find any up to date team spending data which takes into account the players we've let go, but in 2016 our wage bill was $5,536,504 and Toronto was over 20 million for reference.

Look a player of Jozy's caliber doesn't come cheap ok

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camoseven
Dec 30, 2005

RODOLPHONE RINGIN'
Click here to watch the Timbers and Red Bulls play 3 30-minute periods of real American soccer in Tucson, starting right now!

e: and the first goal of the 2017 MLS preseason is an own goal lol. I love this loving league.

camoseven fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 28, 2017

Do over Ham
Mar 20, 2009

Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.

However it was MLS-expansion related so if you are interested I moved it here, as it mostly involves lower league issues:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762847&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=9

Do over Ham fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jan 28, 2017

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

camoseven posted:

Click here to watch the Timbers and Red Bulls play 3 30-minute periods of real American soccer in Tucson, starting right now!

e: and the first goal of the 2017 MLS preseason is an own goal lol. I love this loving league.

Just watched the replay of that. I couldn't tell who it was, but that was an awful play on the ball by that defender.

Sometimes own goals are just bad luck, but that was 100% him chesting the ball into the net on purpose.

Simone Poodoin
Jun 26, 2003

Che storia figata, ragazzo!



World Cup Goalscorer Marco Ureņa to SJ is official now

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
Fun Shoe
It's not official yet, but according to the Italian media Atlanta have acquired Josef Martinez from Torino for a $5m transfer fee. That'll be their last DP. He was really pretty decent for Torino last year from what I remember, but he's been squeezed out of the lineup after they brought in some better attacking players last summer.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
It would not surprise me if Atlanta makes the playoffs in their first year. They've just made so many correct moves with regards to how to build infrastructure, it's astounding.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

all-Rush mixtape posted:

It would not surprise me if Atlanta makes the playoffs in their first year. They've just made so many correct moves with regards to how to build infrastructure, it's astounding.

In contrast Minnesota looks like they are going to be battling with Vancouver & San Jose for last place in the West.

Conartist
Aug 15, 2004
With Molino off to Minnesota, only 2 players remain from the group of Orlando City players signed from the USL team for the first MLS season. They're both young and have good potential, but I doubt they'll be around by the end of next season at this rate.

Real Name Grover
Feb 13, 2002

Like corn on the cob
Fan of Britches
https://twitter.com/PhilaUnion/status/826096388845010944

Can Gooch even move anymore?

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle


Someones desperate, loving NYCFC and Revolution passed on him last year after trials.

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!
The Sounders fill their Swede quota now that Friberg is gone:

https://twitter.com/SoundersFC/status/826227113577418753

Straight outta Guangzhou! Maybe he's trying to play on every continent?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
I just discovered that this is a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_FC_0%E2%80%937_New_York_Red_Bulls

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

Man City B getting poo poo on in their own stadium by the not-actually New York team in their own stadium deserves its own page.

(How the gently caress did the rest of the East let them get to #2?)

((Yes, I know Seattle lost to them, shut up))

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
Jersey fans: "at least we're not Quakes fans."

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

whypick1 posted:

Man City B getting poo poo on in their own stadium by the not-actually New York team in their own stadium deserves its own page.

(How the gently caress did the rest of the East let them get to #2?)

((Yes, I know Seattle lost to them, shut up))

To be fair thats before we started trying in 2016.

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!
Has NYCFC made *any* progress on that stadium issue? I haven't heard about it. I can't imagine Yankee Stadium is a viable home venue for too terribly long.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

shirts and skins posted:

Has NYCFC made *any* progress on that stadium issue? I haven't heard about it. I can't imagine Yankee Stadium is a viable home venue for too terribly long.

There's been no visible progress and I imagine they'll be in YS for some time to come, because no alternative spot has emerged that is so obviously better as to counteract a) needing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (which they obviously have, but why spend it if you don't have to?) to secure the land and build the place, particularly in the five boroughs, and b) needing to navigate local politics in order to build on it.

Or they are still working on b), just nowhere we can see.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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MLS is making an announcement in Chicago today, which probably means they're getting the All-Star Game.

Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012

Ask me about Game Pass: the Best Deal in Gaming!
If you know the slightest bit about new york and the MLS you would've known ages ago it's not financially viable for an MLS team to have a full size stadium virtually anywhere in the 5 boroughs outside of Staten Island (a place people want to travel less to than Newark). The team will eventually move somewhere not in NJ but in the NY metro area to retain their "NYC identity". Or they will just keep playing in a baseball stadium until the league collapses.

Xylorjax
Nov 27, 2002

NYCFC Islanders

Hello Towel
Aug 9, 2010

all-Rush mixtape posted:

MLS is making an announcement in Chicago today, which probably means they're getting the All-Star Game.

Yeah, that's been the rumor for a few weeks. I wonder if anyone from the Fire will even be there. :sigh:

B.B. Rodriguez
Aug 8, 2005

Bender: "I was God once." God: "Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died."

Hello Towel posted:

Yeah, that's been the rumor for a few weeks. I wonder if anyone from the Fire will even be there. :sigh:

With their incredibly lovely deal with their stadium, I wouldn't be surprised if they legally aren't allowed to go to Soldier Field for an MLS event without paying Bridgeview some sort of fee.

camoseven
Dec 30, 2005

RODOLPHONE RINGIN'
I just got this email, so it seems like the Fire are totally on board with the ASG plan. Though I imagine they might not have had a ton of choice in the matter.

B.B. Rodriguez
Aug 8, 2005

Bender: "I was God once." God: "Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died."

So we signed Allessandrini from Marseille and I'm legit fanboying over here, but there's one thing that really put a damper on my day. OM is now owned by Frank McCourt, former owner of the LA Dodgers and all around awful human being. That wasn't the most horrible part though. He bought them for $45m. $45m. That includes the stadium, players, facilities, everything. His stake in the parking lots at Dodger stadium are valued at $100m. This guy parleyed the parking lots at Fenway to owning the Dodgers, then getting a ~$2b buyout while keeping the parking lots, and finally buying a club with assets worth north of $300m for 1/6th the price.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
12 cities have submitted bids for the 4 expansion team slots:

Charlotte
Cincinatti - Promoting USL side Cincinatti FC
Detroit - Ownership group includes the owners of the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Detroit Pistons.
Indianapolis - Promoting NASL side Indy Eleven
Nashville
Phoenix - Promoting USL side Phoenix Rising FC (currently coached by Frank Yallop :laugh:)
Raleigh-Durham - Promoting USL side Carolina Railhawks North Carolina FC (:barf:)
Sacramento - Part of the investor group is Jed York, who is probably the worst team owner on this continent, if not hemisphere.
St. Louis - No, their plan does not involve using the now-abandoned stadium the Rams used to play in
San Antonio - Promoting USL side San Antonio FC
Tampa Bay - Promoting NASL side Tampa Bay Rowdies

If it were up to me, Cincy/Raleigh/San Antonio would be rejected until they got actual team names and Sacramento would be kicked out on the basis of Jed York being a giant fuckboi who I don't making GBS threads up another sports league I care about.

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!

Dallan Invictus posted:

There's been no visible progress and I imagine they'll be in YS for some time to come, because no alternative spot has emerged that is so obviously better as to counteract a) needing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (which they obviously have, but why spend it if you don't have to?) to secure the land and build the place, particularly in the five boroughs, and b) needing to navigate local politics in order to build on it.

Or they are still working on b), just nowhere we can see.

Jesus. That's bleak, but was fairly foreseeable. I'm guessing those talks with Columbia U fell through. Well, good luck to them.

whypick1 posted:

12 cities have submitted bids for the 4 expansion team slots:


Two bids from NC, amazing. Does Orlando sort of block Tampa from promotion, or is that far enough away? Who wants more summer trips to Texas? Because the answer is not me.

How is this league going to manage having 28 teams, anyway?

ShutteredIn
Mar 24, 2005

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shirts and skins posted:

How is this league going to manage having 28 teams, anyway?

Poorly.

Didn't San Diego also put in for a spot?

ShutteredIn fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Feb 1, 2017

Hello Towel
Aug 9, 2010

B.B. Rodriguez posted:

With their incredibly lovely deal with their stadium, I wouldn't be surprised if they legally aren't allowed to go to Soldier Field for an MLS event without paying Bridgeview some sort of fee.

It's bizarre to me how many Fire fans won't admit that Toyota Park/Bridgeview are a huge albatross around the team's neck. The deal sucks, the location sucks, the whole situation just sucks. But I guess the team didn't have much of a choice at the time.

E: Re: All-Star Game. I guess it's nice that MLS is throwing the market a bone and trying to jump-start soccer in Chicago again. But, A. it's sad that it's come to this point in the first place, and B. it's not going to be enough unless we make the playoffs this year.

E2:

This image is horrifying.

Hello Towel fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Feb 1, 2017

Do over Ham
Mar 20, 2009

whypick1 posted:

12 cities have submitted bids for the 4 expansion team slots:

Charlotte
Cincinatti - Promoting USL side Cincinatti FC

FC Cincinnati. :eng101:

quote:

Detroit - Ownership group includes the owners of the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Detroit Pistons.
Indianapolis - Promoting NASL side Indy Eleven
Nashville
Phoenix - Promoting USL side Phoenix Rising FC (currently coached by Frank Yallop :laugh:)
Raleigh-Durham - Promoting USL side Carolina Railhawks North Carolina FC (:barf:)

North Carolina FC (nee Carolina Railhawks) is NASL.

quote:

Sacramento - Part of the investor group is Jed York, who is probably the worst team owner on this continent, if not hemisphere.

Good news! Sacramento Republic just added former HP CEO and failed California governor candidate Meg Whitman to their ownership group! Things are really looking up! :D

quote:

St. Louis - No, their plan does not involve using the now-abandoned stadium the Rams used to play in
San Antonio - Promoting USL side San Antonio FC
Tampa Bay - Promoting NASL side Tampa Bay Rowdies

Former NASL side Tampa Bay Rowdies; Rowdies play in USL starting this year.

quote:

If it were up to me, Cincy/Raleigh/San Antonio would be rejected until they got actual team names and Sacramento would be kicked out on the basis of Jed York being a giant fuckboi who I don't making GBS threads up another sports league I care about.

You forgot to mention San Diego. Like St. Louis, San Diego is a victim of NFL relocation to Los Angeles; Garber has a hardon for this type of situation. Phoenix and Indy were late, last minute additions; 10 were announced about a month ago, and now there are 12.

Also, there is Miami, Miami Beckham United (MBU), David Beckham's attempt to get an MLS team, celebrating three years of failure this upcoming February 5th; they are technically candidate number 13 but of course they are not one of the 12 who submitted bids to MLS by this Jan. 31st, as they have been given their own guaranteed spot 3 years ago by MLS. Garber needs to finally give Beckham a hard deadline and if MBU doesn't make it, give their spot to someone else; there are plenty of cities in the 12 who have everything in place - SSS, ownership group, etc, and who are ready for MLS now; no reason why they should have to wait on Miami to get its act together.

shirts and skins posted:

Two bids from NC, amazing. Does Orlando sort of block Tampa from promotion, or is that far enough away? Who wants more summer trips to Texas? Because the answer is not me.

According to the internet, travel time between Orlando City's new stadium and Al Lang stadium in St. Pete is 1 hour, 43 minutes. That is probably accurate on weekends with zero traffic; any kind of traffic delays however and the travel time could be considerably more.

Edit to add: out of curiosity I checked the distance between Sacramento's proposed stadium and Avaya stadium in San Jose, and compared it to the distance between Orlando City's new stadium and Al Lang stadium in St. Pete. Sacramento proposed Railyards stadium: 116 miles to San Jose (and 1 hour, 50 minutes, but the exact time varies on when you ask); Al Lang in St. Pete to Orlando City's stadium: 107 miles (1 hour, 42 minutes, but the exact time varies on when you ask).

So, basically, some people are arguing that the Tampa Bay Rowdies can't get into MLS because they are 9 miles closer to Orlando than Sacramento is to San Jose, and also that Sacramento has the best odds of getting into MLS (at least, before the recent controversy surfaced). Yeah, 9 miles closer is apparently a deal killer according to some. I don't get it; some people just have this thing against the Tampa Bay area that doesn't have anything to do with reality, or with the reality of MLS.


Orlando City SC has been grumbling about "muh territorial rights" but they can't block the Tampa Bay Rowdies if Don Garber and the MLS expansion committee want them. Phil Rawlins is on the MLS expansion committee, but interestingly he's effectively been kicked out of control of Orlando City by the majority owner and has nothing but an honorary title at OCSC now; he's got no reason to carry water for the Orlando City majority owner or the Orlando City executives, while on the expansion committee.

Don Garber in his comments at USF in Tampa back in October indicated that there's nothing blocking Tampa Bay Rowdies from joining MLS; Orlando City's territorial rights can be renegotiated. Garber acknowledged that Tampa/St. Pete was the largest TV market that currently does not have an MLS team and it would be a good addition to the league; he certainly did not see the Tampa Bay area as being part of Orlando's TV market even if the ridiculous MLS territorial rules currently give all of northern and central Florida over to Orlando City's "territory". The number of people in the Tampa Bay area who actively follow Orlando City is negligible and Orlando City doesn't do any serious marketing or promoting in the Tampa Bay area or even try to do anything to attract significant numbers of fans outside of the larger Orlando area.

Also, Garber in his talks at USF in Tampa back in October indicated that he was attracted to the idea of close local geographical rivalries in MLS; he pointed to having two teams in New York City and two teams in Los Angeles as being positive examples of having more close geographical rivalries in MLS. This was in the context of being asked if Orlando and Tampa Bay were too close to each other; Garber's comments indicated that he considered the geographical proximity of the two markets a positive for Tampa Bay Rowdies chances of getting into MLS, not a negative.

If the Tampa Bay Rowdies do get into MLS you will enjoy that summer trip to St. Pete a lot more than another summer trip to Texas. In St. Pete, at Al Lang you get the fresh breezes off of the gulf or the bay; and a nice view of the boats in the harbor next to the stadium; if you're into art museums, downtown St. Pete has a ton of them, with more on the way. And lots of bars and restaurants and nightlife. St. Pete is turning into a bit of the hipster burg; ie a Portland with a tan if you will. If that isn't too contradictory.

Speaking of hipsters, when in St. Pete try The Notorious P.I.G. and other grilled cheese sandwiches, tomato soup, fresh hand cut french fries, and other yummy stuff at Central Melt on Central Avenue in St. Pete:

https://www.facebook.com/CentralMelt/

Do over Ham fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Feb 3, 2017

joshtothemaxx
Nov 17, 2008

I will have a whole army of zombies! A zombie Marine Corps, a zombie Navy Corps, zombie Space Cadets...
gently caress the Nashville FC people.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

Do over Ham posted:

<pointing out all the times messed up which league a team was in>

This all would've been easier had the USSF just killed NASL :colbert:

Do over Ham
Mar 20, 2009

whypick1 posted:

This all would've been easier had the USSF just killed NASL :colbert:

They're staying loyal to US soccer's 130+ year history of organizational chaos.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Apparently something unbelievably fishy has happened RE: the Sacramento bid. It was scrubbed of all Sacramento Republic iconography and the current majority owner - Kevin Nagle - is not including any of founding partners (he bought the majority share a few months after the team played its first game) in the process.

Reading through the tea leaves plus a Deadspin article summing things up, it appears that he bought in once Sacramento looked like a good MLS market, used the other founders to help build up the team, managed to get the stadium deal with his name on it, and left them out in the cold when it came time to bid on a spot in MLS. Nagle also happens to be a large donor to Kevin Johnson's charter school.

whypick1 posted:

This all would've been easier had the USSF just killed NASL :colbert:
I've said this I don't know how many times, but you can blame this all on the USL. They had a deal in place with the USSF to take on all of the NASL teams sans Cosmos some time in December, and then they went back on it - league HQ tried to tell Sunil Gulati that no they get to pick and choose which teams to take in and which teams to kill, and oh by the way they all have to pay 2.5 million bucks up front to get in.

Oh and they also preemptively told the USSF that if they didn't get D2 sanctioning they'd sue. I'm sure that went over well.

If Papadakis or whatever his name is hadn't acted like an arrogant shitbird USL would have been left having all of the D2 teams to itself.

Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Feb 1, 2017

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!
The Deadspin article mentioned above: http://deadspin.com/sacramentos-mls-bid-possibly-derailed-by-last-second-ow-1791856813

I guess this is how Jed York and Meg Whitman became involved. I guess there are scenarios a-la Seattle Sounders --> Seattle Sounders FC where this goes well, but boy oh boy does the freeze-out and addition of those two not bode well.


A visit to Tampa would be awesome, I have a good friend that just moved away from there and I feel bad that I never made it. Flying down over a weekend to see an MLS match and sip some Cigar City sounds like an outstanding choice.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

shirts and skins posted:

The Deadspin article mentioned above: http://deadspin.com/sacramentos-mls-bid-possibly-derailed-by-last-second-ow-1791856813

I guess this is how Jed York and Meg Whitman became involved. I guess there are scenarios a-la Seattle Sounders --> Seattle Sounders FC where this goes well, but boy oh boy does the freeze-out and addition of those two not bode well.

The Tower Bridge Battalion is already revolting against this and talking about how they are loyal to Republic. So even if Nagle forks out some cash for the Republic name and tosses everything else out, they won't come along.

Sacramento's whole selling point was the fanbase, if a sizeable portion of that is apathetic or even hostile to a new team then we probably look less attractive to all the other cities submitting bids.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Well I think you can cross Sacramento off the list:

https://twitter.com/SacRepublicFC/status/826836262724202497

That went from "stone cold lock" to "oh my god what a shitshow" in record time didn't it

B.B. Rodriguez
Aug 8, 2005

Bender: "I was God once." God: "Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died."

Crazy Ted posted:

Well I think you can cross Sacramento off the list:

https://twitter.com/SacRepublicFC/status/826836262724202497

That went from "stone cold lock" to "oh my god what a shitshow" in record time didn't it

Amazing how that's going around these days...

ShutteredIn
Mar 24, 2005

El Campeon Mundial del Acordeon
Meg Whitman getting involved in anything is basically a death knell.

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Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

ShutteredIn posted:

Meg Whitman getting involved in anything is basically a death knell.
Actually if you'll believe Evan Ream it was Nagle himself, with the help of the Sacramento mayor to bring on York and Whitman, who scrubbed Republic from the MLS bid no more than 24 hours before they submitted it.

I believe we have a name for this: THE SACRAMENTO SCREWJOB

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