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The scene is totally portrayed as a reward for the player. You beat the boss, you get to see boobs. Anita is right. I like how I'm being accused of being a rapist for agreeing with Anita.
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WampaLord posted:The scene is totally portrayed as a reward for the player. You beat the boss, you get to see boobs. That's not why you're getting backlash at all. You acknowledged that he couldn't consent, but then argued that doesn't matter because he's attracted to her and didn't stop her. That's, like, textbook rape aplogism.
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Feb 1, 2017 01:29
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Roth posted:That's not why you're getting backlash at all. Calling it a "rape scene" means something. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo has a "rape scene" this is a "sex scene." You know what? I'll drop it, I'll never convince anyone and I'll probably end up with a red title.
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Feb 1, 2017 01:33
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A nonconsensual sex scene. Also known as a loving rape scene.
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Feb 1, 2017 01:35
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far cry 3 may be satirical but it's also poo poo at it which is the important part
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Feb 1, 2017 01:45
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is this rape scene treated tastefully and does the game address the fact that the main character was raped.
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Feb 1, 2017 01:45
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Augus posted:is this rape scene treated tastefully and does the game address the fact that the main character was raped. lol
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Feb 1, 2017 01:47
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WampaLord posted:Calling it a "rape scene" means something. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo has a "rape scene" this is a "sex scene."
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Feb 1, 2017 01:51
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Augus posted:is this rape scene treated tastefully and does the game address the fact that the main character was raped. I doubt it because it's Far Cry, but to me that just raises the issue of how rape isn't treated as rape unless it's the incredibly violent kind of rape that prople normally think about, rather than to just disregard it altogether.
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Feb 1, 2017 01:51
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Remember that time where you got a flamethrower then started torching their cannabis fields and got high as Skrillex started playing? That was a pretty good part.
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Roth posted:I doubt it because it's Far Cry, but to me that just raises the issue of how rape isn't treated as rape unless it's the incredibly violent kind of rape that prople normally think about, rather than to just disregard it altogether. Which is a VERY super duper important rear end thing to talk about. Like massively so in both media and reality in general. I dunno if games, this thread, or videos about games are the place it needs talking about though. But... Important.
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Feb 1, 2017 02:08
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Roth posted:I doubt it because it's Far Cry, but to me that just raises the issue of how rape isn't treated as rape unless it's the incredibly violent kind of rape that prople normally think about, rather than to just disregard it altogether. That's one of the big problems with Far Cry 3. The scene is absolutely, as DStecks describes, a rape scene. However it is written, as WampaLord decribed at the top of the page, like a sex scene. Far Cry 3, at the very least, does a poor job of presenting what is wrong with the scene. It should be assumed because it's very clear what's going on, but assuming that the kind of gamer Far Cry 3 is trying to appeal to is connecting those dots is way too generous to that kind of gamer and the game fails to do anything to suggest that what's happening is as wrong as it is. After the fact, Jason is pretty into Citra and being a part of the Rakyat where he's a real cool guy doing drugs and killing bad guys. The only people opposed to this are Jason's friends, who aren't even seeing how the Rakyat are affecting him outside of making him want to stay. Nobody actually has a chance to comment on Citra raping Jason outside of the other Rakyat members and Jason, a rich white guy who has been thriving on drugs and a combat high since the beginning of the game who doesn't care that he's just been raped anymore. It isn't until the very end that the game even asks the player to consider the possibility that falling in with the Rakyat is a bad thing. By the time Citra rapes Jason, we should have already started on that train of thought, but the game isn't the one presenting that idea. What probably would have been better is a) having some of the friends have a better idea of what is going on with Jason and the Rakyat so they can effectively act as a voice of reason that Jason can disregard and b) have the ending not be a choice, so we can say with certainty that Jason is this character that has basically been indoctrinated by the Rakyat and people who got this far have more reason to look back at the events of the game from this angle.
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For anyone's who interested, here's the RPS interview with Far Cry 3's write, Jeffery Yolahem, where he discussed the game and its supposed satire.DStecks posted:It's a loving rape scene. The player character is very explicitly being raped by Citra in both scenes. The fact that 95% of gamers are illiterate doesn't make it not satire. DStecks posted:The game has an end goal, reaching the centre of the galaxy, and the whole game is built around this journey. That's why the game isn't built for you ever returning to places you've been, because NMS is about forward motion and never staying anywhere too long. 
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Feb 1, 2017 03:45
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JonTron raped Jason Voorhees in the new Friday the 13th game.
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Max Wilco posted:For anyone's who interested, here's the RPS interview with Far Cry 3's write, Jeffery Yolahem, where he discussed the game and its supposed satire. mcintosh makes my brain hurt
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Feb 1, 2017 04:37
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Takoluka posted:I really don't want to start this argument/discussion here, but... I don't think she played Hyrule Warriors. Yeah... yeah... I'm glad that Anita seems to be fading into the background. This video was embarrassing. Here's hoping for better discussions/exploration into gaming from feminist point of view... from someone else.
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Feb 1, 2017 06:32
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Wait is he saying Mad Max showing a bunch of people overthrowing a horrible fascist sex slave post apocalyptic nightmare as 'awesome' is somehow bad? Does he think Indiana Jones is morally bankrupt because he kills nazi's and no-one says thats a bad thing?
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Augus posted:mcintosh makes my brain hurt ...why. nothing he says is out of line with the basicest of basic film reading. If the framing shows that violence is awesome while pushing a message of "violence bad" that is dissonance. However, I think he is oversimplifying the message of the film. But c'mon y'all aren't this dense. McIntosh might be oversimplifying when he says the moral of MMFR is "violence = bad", but he's not wrong that the framing of violence like it's an awesome fun thing can undermine messages. It's like saying Wolf of Wall street is totes a critique of that life when through the framing/pov/metatext/literally everything makes it look like the funnest thing ever. You aren't cringing in horror at the post-apocalyptic fascists. They are bad guys, yes, but they are FUN. They are ENGAGING. You see the same thing with characters like Darth Vader. cosmically_cosmic posted:Wait is he saying Mad Max showing a bunch of people overthrowing a horrible fascist sex slave post apocalyptic nightmare as 'awesome' is somehow bad? No. He is saying that the framing (remember how everyone thought the doof warrior, the symbol of the fascist army, was the COOLEST THING EVER) makes the bad guys look fun and awesome. cosmically_cosmic posted:
Okay this is just some JonTron level of dense. COME ON PEOPLE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LOL AT SARGON FOR HOW WILLFULLY DENSE HE IS WHILE YOURSELVES BEING WILLFULLY DENSE.
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The problem with McIntosh is that he oversimplifies things, and then when people disagree with him, he'll then pull out the classic "NO UR DUM AND VERY ANGRY" in basically every situation. He's hardly the worst person out there though.
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Jimbot posted:Remember that time where you got a flamethrower then started torching their cannabis fields and got high as Skrillex started playing? That was a pretty good part. You were unconsentually drugged. Takoluka posted:I really don't want to start this argument/discussion here, but... I don't think she played Hyrule Warriors. Also this E: Like I want to like Anita for the sheer rage she generates from existing and pissing off completely terrible human beings. But when you're just wrong like... yeah.
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What would she have gained from having played Hyrule Warriors that would contradict her point? I don't remember enough about that character to say anything one way or the other.
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Pirate Jenny posted:But c'mon y'all aren't this dense. McIntosh might be oversimplifying when he says the moral of MMFR is "violence = bad", but he's not wrong that the framing of violence like it's an awesome fun thing can undermine messages. The only real screw up in this is the Bullet Farmer because he doesn't have any obvious reason that it would suck to be the Bullet Farmer, aside from dying. Roth posted:What would she have gained from having played Hyrule Warriors that would contradict her point?
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Terrible Opinions posted:The only real screw up in this is the Bullet Farmer because he doesn't have any obvious reason that it would suck to be the Bullet Farmer, aside from dying. Also the flaming guitar guy on the heavy metal wartruck. He just wanted to play his guitar. He doesn't even try to fight when the guys are attacking him he just keeps going for that guitar. And I don't really buy the fact that the bad guys have good designs is somehow glorifying them. Especially in Mad Max, where they're all deformed midget monsters. The whole thing to me reeks of contrarianism, like those articles that are like '10 Reasons why Mad Max fury road is secretly fascist propaganda' or something.
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McIntosh is an absolute imbecile and should not be considered ever. Anita is a smart person with a tendency to say dumb things, but that's inevitable when every moment of your life is scrutinized by weird, creepy nerds.
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cosmically_cosmic posted:Wait is he saying Mad Max showing a bunch of people overthrowing a horrible fascist sex slave post apocalyptic nightmare as 'awesome' is somehow bad? McIntosh was saying that Fury Road's glorification of violence made it automatically an anti-feminist and pro-patriarchy movie, because rather than taking a stand against the patriarchy or showing it as a bad thing, it merely allowed a woman to participate in it. He also said the movie shows that post-apocalyptic patriarchy not as a terrible thing, but as an awesome theme park. He's kind of an idiot.
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Seemlar posted:He's kind of an idiot.
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Max Wilco posted:For anyone's who interested, here's the RPS interview with Far Cry 3's write, Jeffery Yolahem, where he discussed the game and its supposed satire. Why the gently caress do you pay enough attention to my video game shitposting that you remember a specific word I used in one post months ago?
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Feb 1, 2017 12:41
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That was the post where you earned your dislikes. How's the fate of finding things coming?
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"It's like she didn't even play Hyrule Warriors" who...........cares???????????????????
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Alaois posted:"It's like she didn't even play Hyrule Warriors" people who talk about things should make an effort to know what they're talking about
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Augus posted:people who talk about things should make an effort to know what they're talking about Would someone care to explain what she got wrong about the game? Her description of the sexualization of the character certainly isn't inaccurate, she's got cleavage for days.
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Augus posted:people who talk about things should make an effort to know what they're talking about Generally, but I don't think context is going to change the reading in this case.
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WampaLord posted:Would someone care to explain what she got wrong about the game? Her description of the sexualization of the character certainly isn't inaccurate, she's got cleavage for days. Wll, you see evil energy raises her body temperature so...
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I don't see how playing a bad Dynast Warriors reskin is going to give any more or a better context for the gross and sexist depiction of the antagonist.
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once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds
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[in a very Hideo Kojima voice] well you see in order to improve combat effectiveness the Soviets surgically grafted another set of lungs onto test subjects which protruded from the chest. These had to be allowed freedom of movement in order to preserve the natural breathing motion. of course it only worked on females due to hormonal issues, furthermore
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WampaLord posted:Would someone care to explain what she got wrong about the game? Her description of the sexualization of the character certainly isn't inaccurate, she's got cleavage for days. Cia's outfit is standard fare for Team Ninja, the people who brought us the Dead or Alive girls. That's as open to judgment as anything else. I'm surprised that Cia doesn't have breast physics. The problem I have is that her assessment of "Why is Cia, the black person, evil and Lana, the white person, not evil?" is really dumb. Cia is actually a good person, corrupted by Ganondorf who takes advantage of her negative emotions. Lana is the manifestation of Cia's own virtue who separates from her in order to seek help and save her. You're not even supposed to know this going in, as Cia's identity and her motivations are revealed later. The assessment seems to imply that Ganondorf's "dark skin" and Cia's "tribal look" are indicative of a direct association between "black people" and "evil characters." To me, it's like asking "Why is Final Fantasy racist? Why do 'white mages' heal and 'black mages' destroy?" The Zelda franchise's recurring theme is "battle between light and darkness," so noting that "a character who is mostly bright colors" contrasted by "that same character portrayed with dark colors" is the equivalent of "appealing to Western ideals of fair-skinned vs dark-skinned beauty" is disingenuous at best. Again, I'm not going to defend Cia's outfit. I'm sure a black version of her actual outfit would have worked just as well. But the implication that Cia and Ganondorf are racially insensitive rubbed me the wrong way.
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You're using in-universe rationale to attempt to refute an argument based in the real world. You look foolish.
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