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Len posted:I still can't believe there was a time that GW put out stats but no figure. Like didn't they realize that was another $50+ they could have got people to pay willingly? It was back in a time when the guys writing the books were themselves hobbyists and the goal was to have a complete army list knowing that model support could take years. If they limited themselves to only what could be released with the book, it would just be a handful of units. Most gamers didn't mind so much because kitbashing and scratch built vehicles were a common sight
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Those aren't hyper exaggerated?! Well, they are impossible on a woman that size, and gravity doesn't affect them unnaturally, but they are nevertheless of a size a human could have, and could be held by a woman her size. When anime get hyper exaggerated boobs, they can get truly hyper exaggerated. The numbness for me is definitely that I'm more bothered by the Male Cow. WaywardWoodwose posted:I would love to see an action movie where the Rock reloaded a gun like that. Wow that's some bad CGI Der Waffle Mous posted:Wave Serpent went years without a model. Troops transport? Why would a faction need to transport their very fragile, expensive elite units? Wazzu fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Feb 1, 2017 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:It was back in a time when the guys writing the books were themselves hobbyists and the goal was to have a complete army list knowing that model support could take years. If they limited themselves to only what could be released with the book, it would just be a handful of units. Most gamers didn't mind so much because kitbashing and scratch built vehicles were a common sight They only stopped after they lost the lawsuit against Chapterhouse. By all rights they should have won but were terribly incompetent in court.
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WaywardWoodwose posted:I would love to see an action movie where the Rock reloaded a gun like that.  also really good.
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Improbable Lobster posted:They only stopped after they lost the lawsuit against Chapterhouse. By all rights they should have won but were terribly incompetent in court. Do you have the full story? Or a link to it? I like hearing about the history behind nerdy things
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working mom posted:Do you have the full story? Or a link to it? I like hearing about the history behind nerdy things One of the old death threads talked about it. Alot.
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working mom posted:Do you have the full story? Or a link to it? I like hearing about the history behind nerdy things IIRC the short version of it is that GW needed to bring to court a bunch of images of the products that Chapterhouse was allegedly infringing on, and they just straight up didn't.
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PantsOptional posted:IIRC the short version of it is that GW needed to bring to court a bunch of images of the products that Chapterhouse was allegedly infringing on, and they just straight up didn't. Is that the lawsuit that ended with them having to change the names of Space Marines and Imperial Guard to something less generic?
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PantsOptional posted:IIRC the short version of it is that GW needed to bring to court a bunch of images of the products that Chapterhouse was allegedly infringing on, and they just straight up didn't. That's... the most incompetent thing I've heard of in a civil trial. Well, other than the time John Fogerty was accused of committing copyright infringement against himself.
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Len posted:Is that the lawsuit that ended with them having to change the names of Space Marines and Imperial Guard to something less generic? They didn't have to do anything, they started changing names on their own to better protect their trademarks.
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GW makes space marines. Chapterhouse makes shoulder pads that just so happen to fit on GW marines. GW took them to court for IP infringement. The court wanted to see evidence/examples of the alleged infringed IP. GW decided that this was a great opportunity for a sweeping landmark ruling so put in basically their entire back catalogue. All of it. The court asked "Are you sure you want to do this?" GW said yes. The court ruled that vast swathes of GW's IP was generic (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Dwarves, High Elves etc) and not suitable for copyrighting. GW decided to start renaming every thing and AoS happened.
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I still find it hard to believe the GW got as big as it did while just calling things "Space Marines" and "Elves" while not expecting people to just rip them off wholesale.
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Kwyndig posted:I still find it hard to believe the GW got as big as it did while just calling things "Space Marines" and "Elves" while not expecting people to just rip them off wholesale. Especially weird since I read that casting your own lead models was a thing back then, with kits specifically made for that. Idk how the Chinese counterfeiting industry was, but it probably had more lucrative things to spend time on compared to counterfeiting the boutique resin industry now. *curses that there hasn't been a Chinese copy of the 3 cool KDM minis from the first campaign yet, and CMON won't make more*
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Kwyndig posted:I still find it hard to believe the GW got as big as it did while just calling things "Space Marines" and "Elves" while not expecting people to just rip them off wholesale. It was because they really did have a competitive edge in sculpting and arguably writing combined with their own stores and print magazine in a pre-internet age. They were far more visible to the average consumer so that was what we bought into. Once momentum started to build they consolidated and swept what competition there was aside(which was probably also ripping off Tolkein but with crappier minis).
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Chill la Chill posted:Especially weird since I read that casting your own lead models was a thing back then, with kits specifically made for that. Idk how the Chinese counterfeiting industry was, but it probably had more lucrative things to spend time on compared to counterfeiting the boutique resin industry now. Counterfeiting this stuff requires a means to reach the customer. International shipping direct to Joe public was not so common in the late eighties/early nineties and internet shopping basically didn't exist. Neither did ebay. Plus the Chinese economy was less developed or geared around exports so the bits that were would focus on stuff that actually made money and filled shipping containers.
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Kwyndig posted:That's... the most incompetent thing I've heard of in a civil trial. Not just incompetent, GW's lawyer was officially rebuked by the judge for unscrupulous behavior. After unsuccessful appeals both parties agreed to drop the case. What was worse for GW was that the judgement was structured that both parties had to pay their own legal fees which was up to mid-six figures for GW while Chapterhouse was represented pro-bono.
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Ugleb posted:Counterfeiting this stuff requires a means to reach the customer. International shipping direct to Joe public was not so common in the late eighties/early nineties and internet shopping basically didn't exist. Neither did ebay. Plus the Chinese economy was less developed or geared around exports so the bits that were would focus on stuff that actually made money and filled shipping containers. The world was weird and mysterious before I existed. I keep forgetting the internet is really new since I grew up with it.
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I grew up with dial up abd pay per megabyte/time spent. gently caress those days. GW won by having Space Marines be something other than just simple USMC in Space, which is what many space marines end up being, what with marine part in the name. For example, Terran Marines in StarCraft: even in fluff they die in droves, like Space Marines do in tabletop. If anything, many of pop cultural space marines are copies of Colonial Marines, which are USMC in the jungles of 'Nam.
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Don't forget that GW also went mental and started other spurious lawsuits like claiming sole ownership over the term 'Space Marine' which resulted in them attempting a C&D against a sci fi book called 'Spots the Space Marine'. That went against them and in true Streissand effect fashion sales of the book soared. It must also be stated for the record that Chapterhouse didn't get away completely scot-free as a number of their models were judged to infringe on GW's IP. Something like 25% of GW's claims were successful iirc.
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Chapterhouse was selling a lot of their offbrand models as "Tyranid ______" and "Space Marine _______". That lawsuit should have been an straightforward win but they got greedy and apparently hired an infamously incompetent legal firm.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Chapterhouse was selling a lot of their offbrand models as "Tyranid ______" and "Space Marine _______". That lawsuit should have been an straightforward win but they got greedy and apparently hired an infamously incompetent legal firm. Didn't Chapterhouse make models for units that had rules but no official model?
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Didn't Chapterhouse make models for units that had rules but no official model? I think that was basically it. Other companies had started to fill the gaps in GW's range and got too obvious about it. GW did have a case in some respects but overplayed their hand and got burned.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Didn't Chapterhouse make models for units that had rules but no official model? That's why they stopped printing rules before the models were ready, thus bringing the conversation full circle
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Back in the day, a Blood Angels army could field Death Company with jump packs if the Chaplain was given a jump pack. There were no official models for this, but it was an easy enough conversion. Having not looked at a Blood Angels codex in years, I'm curious how far down the rabbit hole this goes. Would GW not even include an option for a visually distinct unit upgrade if they didn't provide a model for it, or is something minor like that without official model support still included in the books?
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Atlas Hugged posted:Back in the day, a Blood Angels army could field Death Company with jump packs if the Chaplain was given a jump pack. There were no official models for this, but it was an easy enough conversion. Having not looked at a Blood Angels codex in years, I'm curious how far down the rabbit hole this goes. Would GW not even include an option for a visually distinct unit upgrade if they didn't provide a model for it, or is something minor like that without official model support still included in the books? Well, Tactical Squads can take heavy weapons, but the only way to get most of those is to get the Devastator Squad box. Space Marine Captains can take a bunch of options, but since the model is old the only way to get some wargear for him is to go to one of the other boxes available for things like grav pistols or most combi-weapons. You also can take a Librarian on a bike but there's no model for that, you'd have to convert your own. There's a few instances like that around the armies but that's just what comes to mind right this moment.
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Chill la Chill posted:The world was weird and mysterious before I existed. I keep forgetting the internet is really new since I grew up with it. jesus how young are you???
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Moola posted:jesus how young are you??? I got reliable dial up back in... I think it was 1995. Amazon wasn't a thing yet but you could still shop online and read about nerd stuff.
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I think there's a new captain that comes with all of the poo poo. Tacticals still need to raid Devastator boxes (5 dudes per box, but not at 50% price of a Tac box) for the grav cannon to suplement their grav guns. Most everyone else comes with grav in the box. Grav grav grav I hate it so hard
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Or you could always play with friends who don't care about WYSIWYG and laugh at GW fans who don't play casual games like that.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Back in the day, a Blood Angels army could field Death Company with jump packs if the Chaplain was given a jump pack. There were no official models for this, but it was an easy enough conversion. Having not looked at a Blood Angels codex in years, I'm curious how far down the rabbit hole this goes. Would GW not even include an option for a visually distinct unit upgrade if they didn't provide a model for it, or is something minor like that without official model support still included in the books? Ask a Tyranid player. E: IIRC, every single unit that didn't have a model by the time the last codex arrived, was simply deleted from the list. Not a viking fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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JcDent posted:I think there's a new captain that comes with all of the poo poo. Tacticals still need to raid Devastator boxes (5 dudes per box, but not at 50% price of a Tac box) for the grav cannon to suplement their grav guns. Most everyone else comes with grav in the box. Naw, the new Captain is a clampack dude with no weapon options, just a combi-grav and a sword, and he's eerily similar to the Assault on Black Reach Captain model. He's okay. Len posted:Or you could always play with friends who don't care about WYSIWYG and laugh at GW fans who don't play casual games like that. It helps for clarity's sake - when one dude has a flamer, but this dude who is also holding a flamer actually has a plasma gun, it makes a strong case for WYSIWYG. SRM fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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SRM posted:Naw, the new Captain is a clampack dude with no weapon options, just a combi-grav and a sword, and he's eerily similar to the Assault on Black Reach Captain model. He's okay. Are we talking abou the same space barbie? Because the SM commander comes in a regular rear end box that lists all the amazing bitz that you can put on him. I don't much care for WYSIWYG as I play infinity, I just hate grav, the current 40k meta and 40k rules et al.
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JcDent posted:I don't much care for WYSIWYG as I play infinity *shoves a pile of CCW-proxies under the table*
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JcDent posted:Are we talking abou the same space barbie? Because the SM commander comes in a regular rear end box that lists all the amazing bitz that you can put on him. Two different kits. The new-new Space Marine Captain is a single clampacked mini that doesn't come with many wargear options - he has a power sword and a combi-grav and options for a bare/helmeted head and that's it, but he's pretty drat well sculpted:   Meanwhile, the slightly-older-but-new Space Marine Force Commander kit is a little box with two sprues full of all sorts of interesting bits that are also compatible with the rest of the plastic Marine range, so you can get some pretty unique combos:     Edit: Of course, the new clam pack also costs £24 when you compare it to £14 for the old kit. Drake_263 fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Haha is the boxed kit not available any more? That would not surprise me.
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TTerrible posted:Haha is the boxed kit not available any more? That would not surprise me. They still sell it.
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Oh thats cool. I picked one up years ago and never got around to building it as I always used a librarian for my HQ. I don't play 40k any more so I wondered if I could get sweet ebay bucks.
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Wow, I accidentally bought two of the clampack marines with boring heads.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Not just incompetent, GW's lawyer was officially rebuked by the judge for unscrupulous behavior. After unsuccessful appeals both parties agreed to drop the case. What was worse for GW was that the judgement was structured that both parties had to pay their own legal fees which was up to mid-six figures for GW while Chapterhouse was represented pro-bono.
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