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Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

weird Asian candy posted:

How many centers could you pick out of a lineup?

Julio isn't a diva like the Odell's and Antonio Brown's of the world for sure, but I kinda appreciate that about him. It's true, Matt Ryan hasn't raped anyone or aligned himself to the POTUS, but Sanu and Gabriel are entertaining as gently caress on offense, and on defense there should be pretty easy story lines about all the rookies, namely Neal and Jones. Vic Beasley going from bust to NFL Sack Leader. The secondary stepping up and actually playing better without their star DB. Atlanta as a franchise not being to the Superbowl since 1998. Stories are there...the media just sucks.

Instead we get leaked emails about pain killers and Backpackgate.

Shoulda resigned Spoon just for media week, he's a good interview.

e: Holy poo poo I had no idea you actually re-signed him. Probably because he's permanently on injured reserve.

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weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Grittybeard posted:

Shoulda resigned Spoon just for media week, he's a good interview.

Yup, forgot all about Spoon. I know he is down there, I saw him and Clay and Tru in the team photo.

e: Yup. Dude needs to just retire already and be a broadcaster or coach or something. Loads of personality and potential, he just cannot stay on the field. Second Achilles injury, I wonder if he finally hangs 'em up.

weird Asian candy fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 1, 2017

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

Roger Goodell just said in his press conference that they're looking at reducing the commercial breaks from 5 to 4 per quarter. that sounds like a good thing!

still insists that the TNF games are actually quality though

schweens
Jan 14, 2011

kakarot ain't got shit on me

Carlosologist posted:

Roger Goodell just said in his press conference that they're looking at reducing the commercial breaks from 5 to 4 per quarter. that sounds like a good thing!

still insists that the TNF games are actually quality though

To counter this they'll give teams 4 challenges a game and automatically review all holding calls

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Carlosologist posted:

Roger Goodell just said in his press conference that they're looking at reducing the commercial breaks from 5 to 4 per quarter. that sounds like a good thing!

still insists that the TNF games are actually quality though

But each of the four is double in length

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

The Lions are also getting new uniforms in April. Another remnant of the Millen tenure will be exorcized.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer
Devonta Freemans lovely agent is spouting off about how he doesn't want to share carries with Coleman and wants to paid like a big boy back.

So there's some loving drama.

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling
I feel a comedic connection between the potential of yellow Gatorade being poured on Belichick and Trump's love of pee in sexual situations......there's a joke there but I just cant connect it..gently caress!

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

iospace posted:

But each of the four is double in length

You're joking, but I guarantee you the premise is real. The amount of commercial minutes we will consume will absolutely not be reduced.

Joey Freshwater
Jun 20, 2004

Always playing with my meat
Grimey Drawer

Chilichimp posted:

Devonta Freemans lovely agent is spouting off about how he doesn't want to share carries with Coleman and wants to paid like a big boy back.

So there's some loving drama.

This is dumb because they can't even negotiate his contract until after the season ends anyway, so it's just creating drama before the super bowl.

corn on the cop
Oct 12, 2012

Break what must be broken, once for all, that's all, and take the suffering on oneself.

― Corey Dostoyevsky
So which Falcon starter gets arrested by a vice cop this weekend?

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

corn on the cop posted:

So which Falcon starter gets arrested by a vice cop this weekend?

That has Hageman written all over it.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
I think it will be extremely interesting to watch how Belichick tries to contain the Falcons offense. I almost feel like 100% selling out to stop Julio Jones is kind of a trap, because as good as he is, the offense is basically exactly as productive when he's just drawing coverage and the ball is actually going to everyone else but him. If Jones gets 200 yards and everyone else gets 200, or Jones gets 50 and everyone else gets 350, it's kind of the same thing either way. It might be that he tries to eliminate specific kinds of plays that the Falcons excel at rather than specific players executing them, if that makes any sense.

poo poo, they might be better off just emptying out the box, sticking every son of a bitch in coverage and daring them to run the ball. Just say "gently caress it" and make dime the base defense. Better to give up 200 on the ground than 400 in the air, especially if it turns out the Pats can get some quick scores on the Atlanta defense.

But really I have no friggin' idea. Going into the Super Bowl against the Seahawks I thought there were some good matchups for the Patriots on both sides of the ball that gave them a small edge, but I really have NO loving idea this time. If the Pats D gives up 50 I'd be pissed but not surprised because they've been a fraudulent "#1 scoring defense" all year. If the Falcons just spaz and lose ugly I'd be happy but not that surprised either. I can't remember the last time I felt like I had less of an idea of what would happen in a football game.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Chilichimp posted:

You're joking, but I guarantee you the premise is real. The amount of commercial minutes we will consume will absolutely not be reduced.

All things being equal, I'd rather have fewer commercial breaks that were longer than numerous shorter commercial breaks that interrupt the flow of the game.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


sean10mm posted:

they've been a fraudulent "#1 scoring defense" all year.

they were probs top 10 legit tho.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

sean10mm posted:

I think it will be extremely interesting to watch how Belichick tries to contain the Falcons offense. I almost feel like 100% selling out to stop Julio Jones is kind of a trap, because as good as he is, the offense is basically exactly as productive when he's just drawing coverage and the ball is actually going to everyone else but him. If Jones gets 200 yards and everyone else gets 200, or Jones gets 50 and everyone else gets 350, it's kind of the same thing either way. It might be that he tries to eliminate specific kinds of plays that the Falcons excel at rather than specific players executing them, if that makes any sense.

poo poo, they might be better off just emptying out the box, sticking every son of a bitch in coverage and daring them to run the ball. Just say "gently caress it" and make dime the base defense. Better to give up 200 on the ground than 400 in the air, especially if it turns out the Pats can get some quick scores on the Atlanta defense.

But really I have no friggin' idea. Going into the Super Bowl against the Seahawks I thought there were some good matchups for the Patriots on both sides of the ball that gave them a small edge, but I really have NO loving idea this time. If the Pats D gives up 50 I'd be pissed but not surprised because they've been a fraudulent "#1 scoring defense" all year. If the Falcons just spaz and lose ugly I'd be happy but not that surprised either. I can't remember the last time I felt like I had less of an idea of what would happen in a football game.

I don't know either. I had good feelings about the Seattle and Green Bay games, telling people Atlanta would win by double digits. This game? I feel confident Atlanta will win the game, but it won't be nearly as easy.

Also, keep in mind Atlanta is 7-0 when Jones has 60 yards or less or doesn't even play so limiting Julio isn't the deathwish it once was.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

weird Asian candy posted:

I don't know either. I had good feelings about the Seattle and Green Bay games, telling people Atlanta would win by double digits. This game? I feel confident Atlanta will win the game, but it won't be nearly as easy.

Also, keep in mind Atlanta is 7-0 when Jones has 60 yards or less or doesn't even play so limiting Julio isn't the deathwish it once was.

Yeah, I forgot the exact stat but that sort of thing is why I think overselling to stop Jones every play is maybe a trap.

On the other hand, I don't know why the Atlanta defense has much hope against the Patriots offense, either. The Patriots are exactly the kind of offense that a "young but improving defense" runs into and gets slapped around by because of their inexperience. The way to beat Brady is by hitting him early and often - but Atlanta's pass rush is extremely average and pretty much entirely dependent on 1 player.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
It's that time of year again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8n0L3uUCE

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

sean10mm posted:

Yeah, I forgot the exact stat but that sort of thing is why I think overselling to stop Jones every play is maybe a trap.

On the other hand, I don't know why the Atlanta defense has much hope against the Patriots offense, either. The Patriots are exactly the kind of offense that a "young but improving defense" runs into and gets slapped around by because of their inexperience. The way to beat Brady is by hitting him early and often - but Atlanta's pass rush is extremely average and pretty much entirely dependent on 1 player.

I kind of hope they double up Jones, we have had some of our best games when Julio has been blanketed. This offense is just really, really good and they can beat you so many different ways with a variety of players. It will be an interesting chess match between Bill and Kyle.

As for the defense, Beasley gets majority of the sacks for sure but they apply pretty consistent pressure as a whole. Clayborn was having a good year, so his loss is really going to suck but hopefully old man Freeney has some juice left in the tank. I really think Hageman and Jarrett can be disruptive in this game. Hageman has always had the raw potential but lacked the drive...he has been playing actually very good of late and Jarrett is a good young DT. I forgot the stats, but the QB hurries and pressures on Wilson and Rodgers was pretty high, and they are mobile. I'm curious to see how they do against a statue like Brady, though he does get it out lightning quick.

I don't know. This defense has held it's own against better offenses for long stretches, they just struggle to do it for a full 4 quarters. I have no doubt Brady is going to learn them some things over the course of this game, but this defense is fast, physical and they are out for blood. It is a work in progress no doubt, but there has been progress.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

weird Asian candy posted:

I kind of hope they double up Jones, we have had some of our best games when Julio has been blanketed. This offense is just really, really good and they can beat you so many different ways with a variety of players. It will be an interesting chess match between Bill and Kyle.

As for the defense, Beasley gets majority of the sacks for sure but they apply pretty consistent pressure as a whole. Clayborn was having a good year, so his loss is really going to suck but hopefully old man Freeney has some juice left in the tank. I really think Hageman and Jarrett can be disruptive in this game. Hageman has always had the raw potential but lacked the drive...he has been playing actually very good of late and Jarrett is a good young DT. I forgot the stats, but the QB hurries and pressures on Wilson and Rodgers was pretty high, and they are mobile. I'm curious to see how they do against a statue like Brady, though he does get it out lightning quick.

I don't know. This defense has held it's own against better offenses for long stretches, they just struggle to do it for a full 4 quarters. I have no doubt Brady is going to learn them some things over the course of this game, but this defense is fast, physical and they are out for blood. It is a work in progress no doubt, but there has been progress.

Brady's sack rate this year (3.4%) is substantially lower than Rodgers (5.4%), Wilson (7.0%) or Ryan (6.5%). I won't say Atlanta can't have a monster defensive game out of nowhere, but I don't think a "sack Brady to death" game like last year's AFCCG is in the cards here.

But to turn it around again, the Patriots have a mediocre pass rush too, so Ryan probably won't be very inconvenienced in the pocket, either.

So once again I've talked in a circle and have no clear idea either way.

sean10mm fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Feb 1, 2017

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

sean10mm posted:

Brady's sack rate this year (3.4%) is substantially lower than Rodgers (5.4%), Wilson (7.0%) or Ryan (6.5%). I won't say Atlanta can't have a monster game out of nowhere, but I don't think a "sack Brady to death" game like last year's AFCCG is in the cards here.

But to turn it around again, the Patriots have a mediocre pass rush too, so Ryan probably won't be very inconvenienced in the pocket, either.

Oh no doubt, I'm not saying they are going to repeat Denver's performance last year. They don't have the talent to do so. I'm just curious to see what they do. Beasley has been primarily a spy over the past couple games and now he really gets to rush the passer. And really, even more than sacks, the more hurries and pressures you can get on a QB to disrupt his timing it can only work in your favor. Again, not saying Atlanta is going to live in New England's backfield (they won't) I'm just genuinely curious how it looks.

The lack of pass rush on New England's side is big. Matt Ryan with time is not going to be good.

I still kinda feel like it's just going to be a wild west shoot out and super fun to watch :v:

And we are talking in circles because neither of us knows wtf to expect lol

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

"You will pay for this in Odin's name"
"I like the pull the wigs on waitresses"
"I'm pretty, and pushy"

And I'd like to believe that conversation between Fitzpatrick/Petty/Bowles was actually real.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I hope your sidewalk is happy too, Derek Carr

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



The Patriots have rushed 3 more then anyone this season, and Matt Ryan is comically good against those rushes. Of course, the Patriots have also been facing garbage quarterbacks for most of that with large leads, and not felt the need to rush. Where Matt Ryan has been most susceptible has been CB blitzes which aren't terribly common against that offense for obvious reasons, but Logan Ryan is solid on those. The Pats probably have to send 4 guys most of the time with a few mixed in blitzes or they'll get eaten alive by Ryan.

Brady fades worst against interior pressure, but is comically good against blitzing. The Falcons did a bunch of slot blitzing early on Rodgers and hit him real good, but that rarely works on Brady. The Patriots' tackles are also playing incredibly well right now, so the Falcons may move pass rushers inside to try and pressure, which will likely lead the Patriots to run more often on the interior. The oddest change this year is Brady has been throwing deep often on blitzes, and they've been abnormally successful.

Honestly, when talking about slowing down the offenses, I would expect both to be around 30 points as a baseline, because each team probably scores on at least half their possessions the way they've been playing vs how the defenses have been.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.
It'll also be fun to watch because these teams don't turn the ball over. I kinda feel like the team that turns it over will end up losing...if they turn it over. This game really should be super entertaining.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Hah, yeah. Both teams have 11 turnovers. Tied for 3rd least ever.

The most concerned I am is Dion Lewis who is the kind of back who should feast in a game like this, but who also has a bit of a fumbling problem. I suspect he plays the lions share of snaps over Blount while the game is competitive.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Kalli posted:

Hah, yeah. Both teams have 11 turnovers. Tied for 3rd least ever.

The most concerned I am is Dion Lewis who is the kind of back who should feast in a game like this, but who also has a bit of a fumbling problem. I suspect he plays the lions share of snaps over Blount while the game is competitive.

tbh, Lewis frightens me. We have speed at LB now so it doesn't frighten me as much as it would have with other rosters but he legit scares the piss out of me. Deion Jones is fast, he outran Brandon Cooks on a Pick 6 but man I dunno...he is so freakin' elusive.

weird Asian candy fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Feb 1, 2017

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


whypick1 posted:

...
And I'd like to believe that conversation between Fitzpatrick/Petty/Bowles was actually real.

That one might not be, but the Matt Patricia one is

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

weird Asian candy posted:

I still kinda feel like it's just going to be a wild west shoot out and super fun to watch :v:

:agreed:

Basically neither defense is remotely good enough to control the game, and both offenses can just dunk on anybody on any given Sunday. That leaves a lot of uncertainty going into it, but hopefully results in a cool and good game.

Also the Patriots have kind of not been very diverse on defense compared to years past. They've pretty much played zone, rushed 3-4 dudes and rarely blitzed. I don't know if that's just because they didn't think they needed to do anything else like Kalli said, or if Belichick doesn't feel like he has a roster that can do the "mutate massively every week out of loving nowhere" thing this year, or what.

Now watch them come out in some kind of wacky 2-2-7 defense or some poo poo. :haw:

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
I often read people saying that the teams facing the Patriots should just "move their pass rushers into the middle" but isn't an interior pass rush a whole other position? Like Mercilus and Geno Atkins are players that come to mind when you talk about interior pass rush, but does just moving guys from the edge to the middle ever work, unless they are athletic phenoms?

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



It can work on limited plays like CB blitzes, but it's not something you're going to show often unless they enjoy being run over.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


weird Asian candy posted:

This defense has held it's own against better offenses for long stretches

pats had the third best offense.

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

Groovelord Neato posted:

pats had the third best offense.

I read that as better offenses than their D should be comparatively. Otherwise yeah that doesn't make much sense.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

weird Asian candy posted:

This defense has held it's own against better offenses for long stretches, they just struggle to do it for a full 4 quarters.

Which offense are you thinking of?

Detroit_Dogg
Feb 2, 2008
Aaron Rodgers is gay and lame and oh please cum in me Aaron PLEASE I NEED IT OH STAFFORD YOUR COCK IS NOT WORTHY ONLY THE GAYEST RODGERS PRICK CAN SATISFY MY DESPERATE THROAT
The Falcons were wrong for turning their back on Michael Vick

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

evilweasel posted:

Which offense are you thinking of?

Specifically New Orleans, but just looking back I honestly did not realize New England had that good of an offense for whatever reason. #3 in points and #4 in YPG, with Brady out for 4 games...woosh on my part.

a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY

Detroit_Dogg posted:

The Falcons were wrong for turning their back on Michael Vick

They're underdogs in this SB so they had to keep Vick at arm's length

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!
The debate is over fellas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5LrSQ6m79Q

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.
Looks like he bobbled it to me :colbert:

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Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

Counterpoints:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/nfl-playoffs-super-bowl-51-falcons-win-madden-17-patriots-prediction

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-falcons-will-win-the-super-bowl-because-our-madden-simulation-says-so/

And of course, most importantly, EA thought the Rams and Washington would be the two best teams to highlight this season in their intro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmvIy0_D1Yo

Go Falcons.

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