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So in WW2 the spread of the conflict to Denmark/Norway was all because of iron ore supplies from Sweden (delivered through Norway in the winter), right? Why was this not an issue in WW1? Some of my current lines of thought:
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Feb 1, 2017 23:35
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Huh, they don't take people with outstanding warrants? Pop culture has lied to me.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:38
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Re: reconchat, for a while towards the end of the cold war the Bundeswehr went gently caress it and decided that it would be conducting its recon with Leopard 2s. Not sure what that was about. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzeraufkl%C3%A4rungstruppe_(Bundeswehr)
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Feb 1, 2017 23:45
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spectralent posted:Huh, they don't take people with outstanding warrants? Pop culture has lied to me. Note that warrants had much more limited jurisdictions back in the day, both due to fewer extradition treaties and how much easier it was to just skip town and leave your past behind you.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:49
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Rockopolis posted:Also if I get locked out of the US, is the French Foreign Legion still hiring? A thought experiment that should be given to all prospective legionnaires; why do you think the French government keeps the Foreign Legion around? Hint: it's the same reason that old-time D&D parties have a ten-foot pole with a live chicken on the end.
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Feb 2, 2017 00:08
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PittTheElder posted:So in WW2 the spread of the conflict to Denmark/Norway was all because of iron ore supplies from Sweden (delivered through Norway in the winter), right? Why was this not an issue in WW1? The Entente did try to hurt German trade in the Baltic during WW1 with submarines but apparently the situation never got that crazy, instead people like Churchill were busy planning Gallipoli and other forms of madness. It's certainly true that in the spring of 1940 the timing was right for a 'blitzkrieg' in the north, during WW1 there was no such lull in which you could have suddenly dedicated several divisions for such an adventure. Also technological advances helped, marine invasions are hard to pull without air support and air landings, these weren't feasible during WW1. And if we look at WW2, Winter War created a special situation where Allies saw an opportunity to make a presence in Scandinavia and block ore shipments to Germany and were preparing for this, under the pretext of helping Finland against Soviets. Finns realized the motivation and refused to request for help because the mission was sure to fail in actually helping Finland - Soviets however got nervous and war ended on 13th March. But the Allied preparations weren't missed by Germany and so they made their own counter-preparations which were realized a month later. During WW1 there never was such an invasion boner on any side toward Scandinavia, I think. Okay, I'm sure men like Churchill had plans even then, but still Scandinavia was on the backburner at all times. There was also a bit of 'lesson learned' from WW1 - German navy saw the need for new ports to break the blockade that had kept the Hochseeflotte contained for the entire WW1. Capturing first Norwegian and then French Atlantic ports would enable them to cause the Royal Navy a lot of gray hair. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 00:12
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aphid_licker posted:Re: reconchat, for a while towards the end of the cold war the Bundeswehr went gently caress it and decided that it would be conducting its recon with Leopard 2s. Not sure what that was about. Well, it does cut out the added delay between finding the enemy and bringing up forces to fight them. Heavy Sturm Reconnaissance Brigade, yo!  Scouting Through Superior Firepower
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Feb 2, 2017 00:17
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Trin Tragula posted:A thought experiment that should be given to all prospective legionnaires; why do you think the French government keeps the Foreign Legion around? Hint: it's the same reason that old-time D&D parties have a ten-foot pole with a live chicken on the end.
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Feb 2, 2017 00:29
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PittTheElder posted:So in WW2 the spread of the conflict to Denmark/Norway was all because of iron ore supplies from Sweden (delivered through Norway in the winter), right? Why was this not an issue in WW1? Sweden tried to trade with both sides; by 1917 the Entente powers were able to bring enough diplomatic pressure to bear (and a strong enough blockade and the political will to choke off imports to Sweden; and also pointing out that unrestricted submarine warfare was a thing now) to bring down the Swedish government and convince its successor to wind down ore exports to Germany. With other trade goods that couldn't be blockaded, they often resorted to just buying up the entire stock at favourable terms. There was a similar dance done with Norway; meanwhile the Germans were trying to bring Sweden into the war with grandiose talk of a new Swedish empire. Here's why there was never a major naval intervention: at the time there were two major ore fields. One of them shipped most of its ore through a Baltic port, the other via Norway. When war broke out, all the Baltic ore went to Germany and most of the North Sea ore otherwise. This made it impossible for either side to effectively interfere; the HSF couldn't do anything about North Sea ore without provoking an unfavourable battle with the Grand Fleet, and the Grand Fleet couldn't get to the Baltic even if they'd wanted to because the Danish Straits had all been mined. As for anything to do with ground troops... quote:[*] Does the lack of a Phoney War period mean German forces are too committed from the outset for this to be possible? Not just this, but remember there is an active Eastern Front on the outbreak of war.
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Feb 2, 2017 00:48
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evil_bunnY posted:They basically treat legionnaires like the US do the marines. Yeah, but the Marines have some expensive as poo poo equipment, and their own air force
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Feb 2, 2017 00:49
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Zamboni Apocalypse posted:Well, it does cut out the added delay between finding the enemy and bringing up forces to fight them. Ve haff lokated ze enemy. Also he is in tiny little pieces now.
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Feb 2, 2017 01:25
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aphid_licker posted:Re: reconchat, for a while towards the end of the cold war the Bundeswehr went gently caress it and decided that it would be conducting its recon with Leopard 2s. Not sure what that was about. "For a while?", the Panzeraufklärungstruppe went strong until 2008, but a new and smaller organization, the Heeresaufklärungstruppe replaced them. The new Recon Group is much smaller, but they still have Leopard 2s for some of their recon work.
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Feb 2, 2017 01:54
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The vanguard units of Soviet motor rifle units usually had some tanks assigned, too. When you're doing reconnaissance by fire the more fire the better.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:17
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evil_bunnY posted:They basically treat legionnaires like the US do the marines. Trin Tragula posted:A thought experiment that should be given to all prospective legionnaires; why do you think the French government keeps the Foreign Legion around? Hint: it's the same reason that old-time D&D parties have a ten-foot pole with a live chicken on the end. Apparently nowadays, if you happen to join the Legion because you went on a drunken bender after losing the girl and you just couldn't take it anymore, you get one mulligan on 5 years of servitude if the folks back home call the right office.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:18
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aphid_licker posted:Re: reconchat, for a while towards the end of the cold war the Bundeswehr went gently caress it and decided that it would be conducting its recon with Leopard 2s. Not sure what that was about. "Recon in force," with emphasis on the force.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:22
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Trin Tragula posted:A thought experiment that should be given to all prospective legionnaires; why do you think the French government keeps the Foreign Legion around? Hint: it's the same reason that old-time D&D parties have a ten-foot pole with a live chicken on the end. I'd rather go home to the US, I just wanted to have some backup plans in case I can't come back. It's not a good plan, but it is a plan, I can't really be picky. I talked with the other travelers - everything's up in the air, but trying to fit what everyone wants to do would make a crazy circuit of Paris, Verdun, Aachen, Prague, Vienna, Venice, Milan, Geneva, and back to Paris.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:26
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Nebakenezzer posted:Yeah, but the Marines have some expensive as poo poo equipment, and their own air force The legionnaires will be among the first units to receive the new HK416f.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:29
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Trin Tragula posted:A thought experiment that should be given to all prospective legionnaires; why do you think the French government keeps the Foreign Legion around? Hint: it's the same reason that old-time D&D parties have a ten-foot pole with a live chicken on the end. I just watched that forgotten weapons video on the L85A1 that was linked a while back. There was a legionnaire in the comments section shocked to see a gun worse than his FAMAS and bitching that despite being the only unit actually deploying abroad they still always ended up with the shittiest hand me down equipment.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:35
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DookieSandwich posted:The legionnaires will be among the first units to receive the new HK416f. Had to google to see if that was an assault mech; was disappointed Anyway, back by THE ITALIAN NAVY IN WORLD WAR 2 [list] [*]As mentioned before, convoys to the Italian Army in Africa were the main naval objective of the Italians, while supporting Malta was the main Naval objective of the British. The British could make do with occassional convoys heavily guarded, while the Italians needed constant convoys escorted. Malta as a staging point was the primary threat to those convoys, especially as the British didn't have many submarines. [*]You might be all "So why not invade" and the Italians were right with you, as was occasionally the command of the German Navy. The Italians needed the backing of the Germans, though, and they didn't really want to give it, partially because they didn't like the idea of their Ally taking a strategic strong-point and not them. [*]There was thus a shitload of air battles over Malta, with the Italian AF attacking and the RAF defending. The Italians were still using their CR.42 biplanes, but that was OK, as the British were using Gloster Gladiators, and Swordfish Biplanes. The British constructed 14 miles of limestone tunnels to defend against air raids over the course of the war, set some 100 ft deep. [*]In 1940 at least, the Italian convoys were not bothered much by the British, with nearly all convoys arriving safely. [*] Taranto: The air raid on Taranto is pretty famous, but I didn't realize it was actually one part on a far larger operation. The RN pulled a simultaneous operation targeting multiple Italian bases while four convoys went to Greece, Malta, and Alexandria. The raid on Taranto went as well as it did because the Italians lacked radar and/or didn't notice the Sunderland flying boat that reconned the port earlier that evening. Swordfish Biplanes dropped flares to distract Italian gunners, while torpedo armed Swordfish swooped in and launched 12 torpedoes: the battleship Calvor (WW1 vintage) and Duilio (WW1 vintage) were hit by one torpedo each, and the Littorio[late 1930s vintage] three times. The luck of the war: Littorio was back in action by March 1941 and Duilio was back by May; Calvor was knocked out the rest of the war. [/list[
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Feb 2, 2017 03:20
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Nebakenezzer posted:Had to google to see if that was an assault mech; was disappointed The Legion still uses these 
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Feb 2, 2017 03:33
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Nebakenezzer posted:convoys to the Italian Army in Africa were the main naval objective of the Italians, while supporting Malta was the main Naval objective of the British. The British could make do with occassional convoys heavily guarded, while the Italians needed constant convoys escorted.
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Feb 2, 2017 03:35
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For you guys who like iPlayer BBC documentaries keep your eyes open for the next few weeks for Clash Of Worlds that looks into the cause, effect and conclusion of the Indian Mutiny/1st War For Indian Independence!
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Feb 2, 2017 04:52
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Rockopolis posted:
Shooting africans in the face to instill a government that lets French companies strip mine their country.
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Feb 2, 2017 04:53
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Plutonis posted:Shooting africans in the face to instill a government that lets French companies strip mine their country.  So. What's a Milhist must see in the Paris-Prague-Venice circuit?
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Feb 2, 2017 07:08
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Rockopolis posted:
Well the Old Royal Palace....
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Feb 2, 2017 07:15
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I've heard good things about Les Invalides in Paris.
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Feb 2, 2017 07:22
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schloss wallenstein, duh and that one window
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Feb 2, 2017 07:24
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Rockopolis posted:
That sounds like a bit much if you only stay for a week, because otherwise you're basically covering half a continent. But the Invalides (French army museum) are worth it (Paris in general has tons of museums). Reims obviously has the cathedral and all the champagne you could want. And you mentioned Verdun previously, so you got WW1 covered.
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Feb 2, 2017 07:32
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Is it fair to call Hoxha's bunker system as the greatest military fuckup in history despite Albania never getting invaded (because good god why would you go there)? On one hand spending one third of your GDP to dig holes in ground creates jobs and that way stability, but someone must have realized that spending everything on bunkers and giving peanuts to training and equipment is not a wise strategy. There's something very Trumpian about it when I think of it.
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Feb 2, 2017 09:22
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HEY GAIL posted:That's what my grandfather did--he went back and forth to and from Libya/etc for loving ever, until he came to the US I'm imagining a bunch of a guys on a ship in the middle of the med just turning to each other one day and going "Bail... Bail? I think Bail" and turning for America Nothing you can say can disprove this now
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Feb 2, 2017 10:43
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Nenonen posted:Is it fair to call Hoxha's bunker system as the greatest military fuckup in history despite Albania never getting invaded (because good god why would you go there)? On one hand spending one third of your GDP to dig holes in ground creates jobs and that way stability, but someone must have realized that spending everything on bunkers and giving peanuts to training and equipment is not a wise strategy. There's something very Trumpian about it when I think of it. I'm pretty sure Paraguay getting 90% of its male population killed and losing 40% of it's territory in one war rate higher on this scale Unless we're just talking about boondoggles that never got used in war, in which case that one is hard to beat
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Feb 2, 2017 11:19
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm imagining a bunch of a guys on a ship in the middle of the med just turning to each other one day and going "Bail... Bail? I think Bail" and turning for America
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Feb 2, 2017 12:12
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm pretty sure Paraguay getting 90% of its male population killed and losing 40% of it's territory in one war rate higher on this scale Oh that's certainly a defeat so epic that Sabaton could make an entire album out of it, but maybe a bit different because the Paraguayans were still winning several battles for a couple of years and in theory stood a chance of some kind of victory or truce over the alliance. Meanwhile Albania's plan was to A) hunker down in bunkers sprinkled across the countryside and B) ???, a strategy that works only in tower defense games.
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Feb 2, 2017 12:25
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Nenonen posted:Is it fair to call Hoxha's bunker system as the greatest military fuckup in history despite Albania never getting invaded (because good god why would you go there)? On one hand spending one third of your GDP to dig holes in ground creates jobs and that way stability, but someone must have realized that spending everything on bunkers and giving peanuts to training and equipment is not a wise strategy. There's something very Trumpian about it when I think of it. I know you didn't mean it that way but I feel compelled to point out that Albanians in my experience are extremely cool people.
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Feb 2, 2017 12:37
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aphid_licker posted:I know you didn't mean it that way but I feel compelled to point out that Albanians in my experience are extremely cool people. oh totes, my former work mate was from Albania and was a great guy. there was a reason though why he expatriated (which can be largely traced back to Hoxha loving the country up)
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Feb 2, 2017 12:43
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Nenonen posted:Albania never getting invaded (because good god why would you go there)?
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Feb 2, 2017 12:44
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Nenonen posted:Albania never getting invaded (because good god why would you go there)? To bring this in with the other discussion thread, why not ask the Italians?
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Feb 2, 2017 13:04
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aphid_licker posted:Ve haff lokated ze enemy. Also he is in tiny little pieces now. C.M. Kruger posted:"Recon in force," with emphasis on the force. 
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Uh, recon in force is not as fun an experience as you folks think, if the other guys can shoot back.quote:After Prokhorovka we were handed over to the 1st Tank Corps commanded by General Vasily Budkov and redeployed to the Central Front where we were supposed to advance towards Oryol. There I went for a reconnaissance in force, after which I stopped playing war. It was like this. The brigade commander arrived. We were paraded. He came forward and said: “Any volunteers for a reconnaissance in force make one step forward!” I stepped forward promptly. Then it was the first and the last time in my life when I felt with my back, with my sixth sense, the hateful stare of my crew. I felt butterflies in my stomach, but there was no way back. http://iremember.ru/en/memoirs/tankers/bryukhov-vasily-pavlovich/
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