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shrike82 posted:Kinda surprised how muted government employees in climate change or environmental related agencies have been. At this point, working for the Trump administration should be seen as being a collaborationist. If they say anything they can almost certainly be fired for cause.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 06:18 |
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qkkl posted:I'd be careful when attending those scientists march rallies. If you get arrested you could get put on a blacklist that would make it very hard to find employment in your field. If marching in favor of science disbars people from finding employment in science fields, we've got bigger things to worry about.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 06:22 |
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Taffer posted:If marching in favor of science disbars people from finding employment in science fields, we've got bigger things to worry about. Well, that's the problem, isn't it? We would have bigger problems, but they who get fired and blacklisted and can't get a job, might not.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 13:16 |
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Mukaikubo posted:Well, that's the problem, isn't it? We would have bigger problems, but they who get fired and blacklisted and can't get a job, might not. State research subsumed into the propaganda operation of an autocrat is a bigger problem for me too. I have close collaborators in Turkey - I've seen how this ends if we don't fight. If you are a scientist or care about science, you owe it to yourself to understand what happened in Turkey last year. Turkey sacks 15,000 education workers in purge quote:Turkey has escalated its purge of government officials in the aftermath of the failed coup, with about 35,000 public servants affected by the end of the day despite a government spokesman insisting that the crackdown was being carried out in accordance with the rule of law. Turkey purges universities after failed coup quote:At an emergency meeting of 165 university rectors on 18 July in Ankara, YÖK had told university rectors to identify academics and administrators with connections to the Gülen movement — a religious and social organization that Erdoğan considers to be behind the coup — and to take steps to expel them. Istanbul University immediately suspended 95 academics in various faculties. The council did not invite a further 28 rectors to that meeting, saying that their universities are suspected of being pro-Gülenist. Some of these institutions will be taken over by the state, YÖK said. The Scale of Turkey’s PurgeIs Nearly Unprecedented quote:Only rarely in modern history has a leader detained and fired as many perceived adversaries as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey has since a failed coup attempt last month. Here is how Mr. Erdogan’s vast purge would look if Americans were targeted at a similar scale. Purge in Turkey intensifies brain drain quote:The crackdown by president Recep Tayyip Erdogan since the failed putsch has seen more than 40,000 people detained, among them dozens of academics, and over 100,000 people ejected from state institutions. Some 2,350 academics were fired from a total of 93 universities. Opinion: Turkey’s Scientists Under Pressure quote:From 2012 to 2016, our team looked at the religious and political views of academic scientists in eight countries and regions, including Turkey. Our data collection included both a survey of 22,525 physicists and biologists and interviews with 609 of these scientists. The scientists were situated at elite and non-elite universities and research institutes and spanned all career stages. We received 9,422 completed responses for an overall response rate of 42 percent (as defined by the American Association for Public Opinion Research). All surveys and interviews were completed under conditions of complete confidentiality. This doesn't even touch upon the other aspects for a free society I'd lose under an authoritarian (it gets worse than people think). This is just what at stake for me personally, directly, in my field.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 14:04 |
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Turkey is a garbage genocide-denying country but hopefully the US doesn't take inspiration.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 14:43 |
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cowofwar posted:Turkey is a garbage genocide-denying country but hopefully the US doesn't take inspiration. Professor of Political Science at Columbia who grew up in Turkey thinks that we are quote:It can happen here
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:11 |
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Don't worry, everyone! Fusion energy will save us from all the bad things!
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:34 |
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Acid Haze posted:Don't worry, everyone! Fusion energy will save us from all the bad things! With rectors haphazardly built after science is outlawed.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:53 |
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Forever_Peace posted:Professor of Political Science at Columbia who grew up in Turkey thinks that we are That is some very interesting reading. Mind crossposting that to the trump thread et.al.? I can't disagree with any of it.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:05 |
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Europe can probably feed and house the eventual refugee mass migration from climate change but we will have to give up our lavish lifestyles, espresso k cups and sacrifice a lot of financial stability and hahah who am I kidding.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:09 |
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Nice piece of fish posted:That is some very interesting reading. Mind crossposting that to the trump thread et.al.? I can't disagree with any of it. I got plenty more where that came from. What thread is appropriate for a deep dive into the Authoritarian risk of Trump? Link me and I'm there.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:16 |
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Bedshaped posted:Europe can probably feed and house the eventual refugee mass migration from climate change but we will have to give up our lavish lifestyles, espresso k cups and sacrifice a lot of financial stability and hahah who am I kidding.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:23 |
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Forever_Peace posted:I got plenty more where that came from. What thread is appropriate for a deep dive into the Authoritarian risk of Trump? Link me and I'm there. Throw a rock, half the Internet right now is about how much Trump's going to ream us. This is the main contender on D&D, though: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797481&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:24 |
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Now that I think about it one of the main reasons Putin supports Trump is probably his views on climate change. Russia is one of the few countries in the world that would actually benefit from significant global warming. If Siberia gets warm enough to support large-scale agriculture then Russia has the potential to have a massive population.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:38 |
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That's a cool idea except the soil up there is terrible and isn't going to support farming on a widespread scale even if it's warm enough
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:41 |
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It would be economically useful but the number of babies people have doesn't really depend on how much food is grown within the borders of their country.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:43 |
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qkkl posted:Now that I think about it one of the main reasons Putin supports Trump is probably his views on climate change. Russia is one of the few countries in the world that would actually benefit from significant global warming. If Siberia gets warm enough to support large-scale agriculture then Russia has the potential to have a massive population. I doubt that's his motive, but it gives me an opportunity to link this again because it is really loving good.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:00 |
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Oxxidation posted:Throw a rock, half the Internet right now is about how much Trump's going to ream us. Started with two dozen or so to kick things off. Go read em: those are the highlights.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:49 |
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qkkl posted:Now that I think about it one of the main reasons Putin supports Trump is probably his views on climate change. Russia is one of the few countries in the world that would actually benefit from significant global warming. If Siberia gets warm enough to support large-scale agriculture then Russia has the potential to have a massive population. Siberia needs more holes.
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# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:56 |
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qkkl posted:Now that I think about it one of the main reasons Putin supports Trump is probably his views on climate change. Russia is one of the few countries in the world that would actually benefit from significant global warming. If Siberia gets warm enough to support large-scale agriculture then Russia has the potential to have a massive population. It's not agriculture, but access to arctic oil. Plus Hillary, or pretty much any other administration for that matter, would have had a stronger stance against Russia. And of course there's the inherent advantage of having what you consider a competitor country get an inept and socially disruptive leader. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 28, 2017 |
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That's pretty warm! Sea ice looks like it's back to making new record lows as well. https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/826446847468302336 At the other side of the globe: https://twitter.com/adrian_luckman/status/826464392837488641 https://twitter.com/sgascoin/status/826466274133819393 MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Feb 1, 2017 |
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Fine. Just let it all loving end.
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 01:33 |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.0195160867d6 quote:“[A]fter studying the Arctic and its climate for three and a half decades, I have concluded that what has happened over the last year goes beyond even the extreme,” wrote Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, in an essay for Earth Magazine.
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 19:22 |
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That graph is hard to parse.
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 20:40 |
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Yes -- it's been a while since I took an HVAC class, but surely positive degree-days are what we should be worrying about? (or are climate degree-days different?)
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 20:42 |
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It's showing the anomaly in freezing degree days when compared to the average. "Averaged over the Arctic north of 80 degrees, this chart displays the difference from normal in the cumulative number of freezing degree days September to January. Freezing degree days accumulate according to the number of degrees Celsius below freezing. Minus-5 Celsius would represent five freezing degree days."
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 20:48 |
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We lost twelve hundred degree days of cooling.
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 20:57 |
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In the dead middle of Arctic night no less.
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 21:00 |
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US Republicans launch effort to abolish Environmental Protection Agency with new billquote:A bill to “completely abolish” the Environmental Protection Agency has been drafted that would close the main arm of the US Government responsible for fighting climate change by the end of next year.
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# ? Feb 1, 2017 22:24 |
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Billions will die, but what about small businesses!
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 01:16 |
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VectorSigma posted:Billions will die, but what about small businesses! Or to put it another way, "who runs Bartertown?"
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 01:37 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Or to put it another way, "who runs Bartertown?" Between this and Bannon wanting war with China, I call Megaton.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 01:39 |
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who's gonna take the courageous step and start a company that helps victims of climate disaster. let's start pitching this to investor. lots of money to be made. lots of lives to be saved.
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How would they make money off of this
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 02:05 |
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disaster relief. disaster prepardness. buying/developing in areas less likely to be affected. that's what makes capitalism so great, you get to be creative.
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Minge Binge posted:who's gonna take the courageous step and start a company that helps victims of climate disaster. let's start pitching this to investor. lots of money to be made. lots of lives to be saved. Your target market has no money to pay for your services. Your business model is dead on arrival. :/ Don't confuse this for a lack of sympathy or compassion. Also don't know if you are trying to be humorous or ironic? I just can't tell the difference between satirical or real news anymore. /curls up in a corner in despair and tears
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 03:44 |
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BattleMoose posted:Your target market has no money to pay for your services. Your business model is dead on arrival. :/ Don't confuse this for a lack of sympathy or compassion. Also don't know if you are trying to be humorous or ironic? I just can't tell the difference between satirical or real news anymore. /curls up in a corner in despair and tears That's why you get the govt to foot the bill and deliver the bare minimum. Get better at capitalism.
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Rated PG-34 posted:That's why you get the govt to foot the bill and deliver the bare minimum. Get better at capitalism. But that just increases taxes for people who don't need it or don't want it.
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# ? Feb 2, 2017 04:11 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:But that just increases taxes for people who don't need it or don't want it. No need to increase taxes. You just borrow money from capitalists to fund the relief and kick the can down the road. Also you can cut money to social services bc who needs that stuff anyway
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Rated PG-34 posted:You just borrow money from capitalists to fund the relief and kick the can down the road. Also you can cut money to social services bc who needs that stuff anyway Good luck with that...
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