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Sion posted:Too afraid of voting against it because it would impact their chances in an election. Too afraid to show up and vote because maybe the taxi driver on the way in would have been mean to them. Just because there were bigger collectives of useless cowards doesn't mean that there's isn't shame enough to go around
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/175845 Petition to request the debate that the "will of the people has changed since the Brexit vote"
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Dabir posted:The vote wasn't on PR or surveillance so what's their excuse?
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jBrereton posted:Yeah OK lol. The two guys who didn't vote to stop Brexit (note that neither voted for it) tarnished the party forever in a way that the leader of a party of 229 MPs whipping in favour of an amendment-free resolution to leave the EU could never hope to emulate. I'm not saying they tarnished their party forever. You can't really tarnish a turd. Still mad about student fee's, right here.
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ronya posted:hanretty's estimate for Swansea East is 62.1% The university and its students would be in Swansea West so that might partly explain it, we've always been staunchly Labour but they almost elected a Liberal Democrat in 2010. They also have the more affluent parts of the city but also Townhill which isn't as affluent. I'm surprised that he only estimates Gower to have gone 50% for leave because they've got a lot of old retired people and elected a loving Tory. jBrereton posted:The Lib Dems aren't a one policy party either. Brexit is very important to them but then so is stuff like PR or surveillance. The SNP and Plaid Cymru have other policies too, but are still considered single issue parties. Much like Tim has turned the Lib Dems into a single issue remain party.
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forkboy84 posted:At last, some good news in this trashfire country. Would he lose it as in not be their candidate? Or as in a Tory will replace him? Sheffield Hallam is the middle classes and students. Middle classes are swinging towards the Tories, and the students feel he ignored them while glory hunting in the coalition and let the housing situation get worse - Sheffield in general has problems with the council starting a big renovation project and making many promises and then running out of money part way though. It may be a case of him wanting to retire to spend more time with his family before he loses them a relatively safe seat or he may hang on and try to beat the tories, but last election he only really scraped though so good luck with that Nick. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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More numbers, from the BBC page:pre:+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+-------------+--------+ | | | %Vote Leave | >50% | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+-------------+--------+ | The Labour MPs to go against their party's three-line whip - the strictest instruction to vote - were: | | | | | | | | | | Heidi Alexander (Lewisham East) | Lewisham East | 35.4% | | | Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green and Bow) | Bethnal Green and Bow | 30.9% | | | Graham Allen (Nottingham North) | Nottingham North | 65.5% | Leave | | Rosena Allin-Khan (Tooting) | Tooting | 25.3% | | | Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) | Liverpool, Wavertree | 35.8% | | | Ben Bradshaw (Exeter) | Exeter | 44.7% | | | Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) | Cardiff West | 44.8% | | | Lyn Brown (West Ham) | West Ham | 47.4% | | | Chris Bryant (Rhondda) | Rhondda | 61.2% | Leave | | Karen Buck (Westminster North) | Westminster North | 33.0% | | | Dawn Butler (Brent Central) | Brent Central | 42.9% | | | Ruth Cadbury (Brentford and Isleworth) | Brentford and Isleworth | 39.5% | | | Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley) | Cynon Valley | 57.0% | Leave | | Ann Coffey (Stockport) | Stockport | 48.2% | | | Neil Coyle (Bermondsey and Old Southwark) | Bermondsey and Old Southwark | 27.0% | | | Mary Creagh (Wakefield) | Wakefield | 62.0% | Leave | | Stella Creasy (Walthamstow) | Walthamstow | 36.4% | | | Thangam Debbonaire (Bristol West) | Bristol West | 20.4% | | | Stephen Doughty (Cardiff South and Penarth) | Cardiff South and Penarth | 44.9% | | | Jim Dowd (Lewisham West and Penge) | Lewisham West and Penge | 34.5% | | | Maria Eagle (Garston and Halewood) | Garston and Halewood | 47.9% | | | Louise Ellman (Liverpool, Riverside) | Liverpool, Riverside | 26.9% | | | Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme) | Newcastle-under-Lyme | 61.7% | Leave | | Vicky Foxcroft (Lewisham, Deptford) | Lewisham, Deptford | 24.7% | | | Mike Gapes (Ilford South) | Ilford South | 43.9% | | | Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) | Nottingham South | 45.0% | | | Helen Hayes (Dulwich and West Norwood) | Dulwich and West Norwood | 22.1% | | | Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) | Hackney South and Shoreditch | 22.2% | | | Rupa Huq (Ealing Central and Acton) | Ealing Central and Acton | 28.2% | | | Peter Kyle (Hove) | Hove | 33.9% | | | David Lammy (Tottenham) | Tottenham | 33.4% | | | Rachael Maskell (York Central) | York Central | 38.5% | | | Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) | Bristol East | 48.8% | | | Catherine McKinnell (Newcastle upon Tyne North) | Newcastle upon Tyne North | 57.1% | Leave | | Madeleine Moon (Bridgend) | Bridgend | 49.7% | | | Ian Murray (Edinburgh South) | Edinburgh South | 23.6% | | | Stephen Pound (Ealing North) | Ealing North | 48.8% | | | Virendra Sharma (Ealing Southall) | Ealing, Southall | 44.3% | | | Tulip Siddiq (Hampstead and Kilburn) | Hampstead and Kilburn | 23.5% | | | Andy Slaughter (Hammersmith) | Hammersmith | 31.0% | | | Jeff Smith (Manchester Withington) | Manchester, Withington | 26.3% | | | Owen Smith (Pontypridd) | Pontypridd | 45.8% | | | Jo Stevens (Cardiff Central) | Cardiff Central | 30.4% | | | Stephen Timms (East Ham) | East Ham | 46.9% | | | Catherine West (Hornsey and Wood Green) | Hornsey and Wood Green | 18.5% | | | Alan Whitehead (Southampton Test) | Southampton, Test | 50.7% | Leave | | Daniel Zeichner (Cambridge) | Cambridge | 26.5% | | | | | | | | Labour MPs who did not vote | | | | | | | | | | Diane Abbott (Hackney North) | Hackney North and Stoke Newington | 20.9% | | | Roberta Blackman-Woods (City of Durham) | City of Durham | 44.4% | | | Geraint Davies (Swansea West) | Swansea West | 42.7% | | | Pat Glass ( NW Durham) | North West Durham | 55.0% | Leave | | Kate Green (Stretford and Urmston) | Stretford and Urmston | 48.5% | | | Margaret Hodge (Barking) | Barking | 60.3% | Leave | | George Howarth (Knowsley) | Knowsley | 52.4% | Leave | | Sir Gerald Kaufman (Manchester, Gorton) | Manchester, Gorton | 37.9% | | | Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) | Nottingham East | 42.8% | | | Ian Mearns (Gateshead) | Gateshead | 56.0% | Leave | | Angela Smith (Penistone and Stocksbridge) | Penistone and Stocksbridge | 61.3% | Leave | | | | | | | One Conservative MP voted against | | | | | | | | | | Ken Clarke (Rushcliffe) | Rushcliffe | 41.3% | | | | | | | | Conservative MPs who did not vote | | | | | | | | | | Jake Berry (Rossendale and Darwen) | Rossendale and Darwen | 58.6% | Leave | | Nick Boles (Grantham and Stamford) | Grantham and Stamford | 61.0% | Leave | | Sir Alan Haselhurst (Saffron Walden) | Saffron Walden | 50.9% | Leave | | Sir Roger Gale (North Thanet) | North Thanet | 65.0% | Leave | | Karen Lumley (Redditch) | Redditch | 61.4% | Leave | | Mike Wood (Dudley South) | Dudley South | 70.2% | Leave | | | | | | | Liberal Democrat MPs who did not vote | | | | | | | | | | Norman Lamb (North Norfolk) | North Norfolk | 58.3% | Leave | | Greg Mulholland (Leeds North West) | Leeds North West | 35.4% | | | | | | | | SNP MPs who did not vote | | | | | | | | | | Callum McCaig (Aberdeen South) | Aberdeen South | 32.3% | | | Corri Wilson (Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock) | Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock | 43.0% | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+-------------+--------+
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learnincurve posted:Sheffield Hallam is the middle classes and students. Middle classes are swinging towards the Tories, and the students feel he ignored them in the coalition and let the housing situation get worse while gadding about with Cameron - Sheffield in general has problems with the council starting a big renovation project and making many promises and then running out of money part way though. It may be a case of him wanting to retire to spend more time with his family before he loses them a relatively safe seat or he may hang on and try to beat the tories, but last election he only really scraped though so good luck with that Nick. He held it by 3000 votes from Labour with the Tories nowhere. Why would it be the Tories taking the seat from him this time round?
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Pissflaps posted:That's indecipherable on mobile. True. Okay, have this: 
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Of course, I accidentally a word because I was just reading the Derbyshire results. Switch out Tories for labour.
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"Put your sighting in the subject line and it will be auto-tweeted" Reliable source.
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learnincurve posted:It may be a case of him wanting to retire to spend more time with his family before he loses them a relatively safe seat or he may hang on and try to beat the tories, but last election he only really scraped though so good luck with that Nick. Last election, Labour bussed in a bunch of activists to try and get rid of him who could have potentially saved Ed Balls's seat.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Last election, Labour bussed in a bunch of activists to try and get rid of him who could have potentially saved Ed Balls's seat. Getting rid of  is definitely a more noble endeavour than saving Balls.
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Gonzo McFee posted:"Put your sighting in the subject line and it will be auto-tweeted" Errr... what's to stop this being abused? EDIT: Like really abused, not just lying.
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Pissflaps posted:Yeah somebody definitely decided to pretend to see Dianne Abbott in a pub because ...You needed some new material for the thread?
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Gonzo McFee posted:...You needed some new material for the thread? Are you suggesting I fabricated that sighting of Dianne Abbott the day before the Brexit vote in anticipation that she'd be unable to vote after claiming to be too ill?
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I saw Diane Abbott in Nando's bragging about how she voted leave.
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I saw Diane Abbott in Subways talking about Corbyn's foot-long.
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Guavanaut posted:This is a good idea, we need more ground level organizations that make people feel part of their society too, things like housing co-ops where everyone owns all property in joint in a local area would be a lot harder for governments to dissolve. Agreed, but there you also have to be careful. I was in a housing co-op back in the 80s. The government very effectively used the fact that we received government money to buy houses as a way to control us and strip the members of power (handing it to paid staff, as long as they did what TPTB thought they should).
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Yes. Or it could have been some daft racist given the other two people she was supposedly seen with. Or an unscrupulous journalist who wants to start some poo poo. Or it could be a real sighting. Doesn't change the fact it's an anonymous and unreliable source. Shown yourself up imo.
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Guavanaut posted:I saw Diane Abbott in Nando's bragging about how she voted leave. I heard she ordered a kebab on the way home and it arrived at her door in 45 minutes.
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Kokoro Wish posted:I saw Diane Abbott in Subways talking about Corbyn's foot-long. Corbyn's Big Beef Melt~
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Baron Corbyn posted:He held it by 3000 votes from Labour with the Tories nowhere. Why would it be the Tories taking the seat from him this time round? Well, it's a traditionally Tory seat. Before 1997 it was a Tory/Unionist seat going back to the First World War. And Liberals won in 1916 because the Tory MP resigned & they couldn't even be arsed nominating a replacement. Considering it's one of those constituencies where Corbyn will not be popular, would hardly be a shock to see the Tories back as #2, as they were in 2010.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Yes. Or a Finnish nurse who holds a long grudge. 
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Would-be socialist organizations outside of state control suffer from one fundamental problem: with freedom of exit, and without the ability to enforce taxes or effective taxes, the organization devolves into an endless barrel of adverse selection A dependence on some state-granted power is necessary to remain sustainable - the challenge is defending the political sustainability of these powers. You might think that stuff like "don't insult, confront, and enrage all possible allies" might be obvious. But it isn't. A second problem is that the cultural aversion to governance - that drives people to form such organizations to begin with - then leads to serious organizational dysfunctions and abuses as the organization grows larger. But that's another thing altogether.
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Sion posted:Corbyn's Big Beef Melt~ Corbae's Big Bottle of Jam wait
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Sion posted:Some bastard has dug up the Blue Peter Time Capsule that was buried under the It's ok, Britain has no future
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ronya posted:Would-be socialist organizations outside of state control suffer from one fundamental problem: with freedom of exit, and without the ability to enforce taxes or effective taxes, the organization devolves into an endless barrel of adverse selection The latter doesn't apply to housing co-ops, though - and the former barely does, in current circumstances.
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Sion posted:Some bastard has dug up the Blue Peter Time Capsule that was buried under the There is no god.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Yes. The point is that this sighting was a day before her health was even in question. Or are you bestowing the ability to travel through time on these unscrupulous journalists?
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Sion posted:Some bastard has dug up the Blue Peter Time Capsule that was buried under the In a competition, viewers had been asked to submit ideas for items they would like put inside. The winning entries included roller blade wheels, an asthma inhaler, Tellytubby dolls, a France 1998 World Cup football, a picture of a dove to symbolise peace in Northern Ireland and a Roald Dahl book. Ominous.
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