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my dad posted:Specifically, a meme that's taken a life of its own and greatly outlived the circumstances that created it.
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my dad posted:Specifically, a meme that's taken a life of its own and greatly outlived the circumstances that created it. Real answer: The Serbians themselves ("Ironically, Milošević lost his grip on power by losing in elections which he scheduled prematurely (before the end of his mandate) and which he did not even need to win in order to retain power which was centered in the parliaments which his party and its associates controlled." which is still one of the funnier ways for an autocrat to shoot himself in the foot) True but misleading answer: myocardial infarction, or Rifampicin if you're a Milosevic supporter Wrong answer: America bringing Freedom™ Really wrong answer: The Reptiloid NWO
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Feb 2, 2017 13:47
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System Metternich posted:Real answer: The Serbians themselves ("Ironically, Milošević lost his grip on power by losing in elections which he scheduled prematurely (before the end of his mandate) and which he did not even need to win in order to retain power which was centered in the parliaments which his party and its associates controlled." which is still one of the funnier ways for an autocrat to shoot himself in the foot) TBH he was really panicking at the time since Kosovo went so bad for him and the internal dissent was growing, to say nothing of the ICTY charges and sanctions. I think he wouldn't have lasted much longer even had he not called the election.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:00
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Serbs can easily get puffed up and defensive about literally anything, including the very idea that they can get puffed up and defensive about things.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:07
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Serbs can easily get puffed up and defensive about literally anything, including the very idea that they can get puffed up and defensive about things. Much unlike ???
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Feb 2, 2017 14:12
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Blut posted:From a page back but I'm very surprised at Spain and Greece's figures being so low, given their youth unemployment figures are sky high. Being part of the EU is generally something unemployed youth in other countries tend to take advantage of to allow them to move to greener pastures. Many spanish don't want to learn english, we have too few english teachers, and our english teachers are bad. Everything in spain is dubbed, people have few reasons to learn a second language. They have to learn the basics of a second language trough the base education, but they don't progress it to a useful state. When you travel to other country, if you don't speak their language or english, you are sort of "marooned" in a island. So for many people, the spanish peninsula is somewhat like a subcontinent, the entire space they are willing to explore / inhabit.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:19
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Tei posted:Many spanish don't want to learn english, we have too few english teachers, and our english teachers are bad. Everything in spain is dubbed, people have few reasons to learn a second language. They have to learn the basics of a second language trough the base education, but they don't progress it to a useful state. Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. Oh, here it is, it's not quite what I remembered it to be but this is the one I was thinking of:  Anecdotally I think Finns are just as good at English as the Swedes, so it's probably our national modesty that keeps us at 70%.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:52
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Ratpick posted:Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. But most people who live in Finland aren't Finns. There's the Ostrobothnians, Savonians, Tavastians, etc. who can't hold a conversation in Finnish let alone English 
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Feb 2, 2017 15:04
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Ratpick posted:Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. Why should Hungarians even learn English, their language is perfectly understandable to most Europeans?
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Feb 2, 2017 15:13
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Ratpick posted:Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. I am... skeptical of that 34% for Belarus.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:21
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Ratpick posted:Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. I'd be interested in seeing this map with different regions as well. Do Catalans speak better English than the rest of Spain? What about Flanders or Lazio? I imagine there is a lot of internal variance as well in touristic areas. OddObserver posted:I am... skeptical of that 34% for Belarus. You mean Poland, right?
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Feb 2, 2017 16:21
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Deltasquid posted:
Oh, indeed. Well, that was embarrassing.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:28
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Hey thanks, I learned something from the maps thread. Fiji has had four coups d’état in the last thirty years.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:33
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Platystemon posted:Fiji has had four coups d’état in the last thirty years. It's just fair that every citizen should get a shot at running the country.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:47
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OddObserver posted:Oh, indeed. Well, that was embarrassing. ... I mean it used to be polish, once upon a time.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:01
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Ratpick posted:Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. Amongst Eastern Europeans I'd also say those figures appear quite low mostly due to the population born before 1980 who had to learn Russian. My experience of having been in most of those countries is most people under 30 have a good grasp of English because a) its now taught in schools b) they now get loads of tourists to use it with c) a significant number of people migrate to the UK/Ireland to work and d) they get way more English language media than in previous decades. Its not quite Scandinavian levels of English, but not far off German proficiency. Certainly far better than in the South. Which makes the Spanish figure even worse I guess.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:35
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Deltasquid posted:I'd be interested in seeing this map with different regions as well. Do Catalans speak better English than the rest of Spain? What about Flanders or Lazio? As is often the case, the result for Belgium is not particularly informative since English proficiency will vary wildly based on where you are in the country. Once again, dubbing is the main culprit, though at least the French dubs sound less ridiculous than the Polish ones where it's just a single dude talking over all the lines that are still audible in the background.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:38
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Apparently leaving Ireland is one of Ireland's most cherished traditions. The percentage is also probably skewed up by Ireland having automatic jus soli citizenship until 2005 (like the US) and granting jus soli citizenship to children of permanent residents after 2005.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:47
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Feb 2, 2017 17:59
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From a few pages back, but I shared this on Facebook, a few of my journalist friends picked it up and ran with it, and now there's a debate raging in Croatia about how many of the emigrants are actually Serbs that were exiled during the war. It's a proper shitstorm right now, and we can thank these forums.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:02
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The fact that that map is self-reported means it's not necessarily reflective of the people's actual language proficiency, just their perception of their own language proficiency. Many people can over- or underestimate their abilities, or exaggerate or downplay them, when asked by a stranger to subjectively evaluate themselves. edit: referring to the English in Europe map.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:06
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This doesn't seem right for Brazil? In here every movie comes with a dub option in the theaters.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:09
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It's original research so possibly. Anecdotally it at least seems to split Europe fairly accurately into Subtitles/Dubbing/Those weird Russian voiceovers e: It's basically a dude speaking in a dispassionate monotonic voice over the sound of the film. Seriously it's weird. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 18:15
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Private Speech posted:It's original research so possibly.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:24
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Ratpick posted:Yeah, I remember that one map that showed the proportion of the population that spoke English as a second language in Europe, and the contrast was so stark it was basically "dubs vs. subs" the map. I'm pretty surprised at the difference between Belgium and the Netherlands.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:24
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Serbs can easily get puffed up and defensive about literally anything, including the very idea that they can get puffed up and defensive about things. Sounds like people everywhere.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:28
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Private Speech posted:It's original research so possibly. It got a lot better after the 90s. I love how the Kung Fury Russian dub is done in this style though, by one of the most popular monotonic voice dubbers no less.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:32
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When I were a lad, if you wanted to know what the gently caress was going on with the Smurfs you had to learn how to loving read.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:51
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Elyv posted:I'm pretty surprised at the difference between Belgium and the Netherlands. Why? Around a half of Belgium is full of French.
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Of course! It's all so simple.
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Feb 3, 2017 00:42
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Feb 3, 2017 03:38
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Good thing this was classified. We wouldn't want the wrong people to know topography
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Feb 3, 2017 06:35
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There is no way a greater proportion of Austrians are able to hold an English conversation than Germans. It worked out really well for me because in Austria I could practice my German a lot better since people just straight up didn't speak English, whereas in Germany everyone did, so as soon as they realized my German was poo poo they'd switch to English automatically.
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HookShot posted:There is no way a greater proportion of Austrians are able to hold an English conversation than Germans. English proficiency in East Germany is much worse than in the West, if you take that into account it might be accurate.
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Feb 3, 2017 17:39
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HookShot posted:There is no way a greater proportion of Austrians are able to hold an English conversation than Germans. This post works better when you misread Austria as Australia like I did initially
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Feb 3, 2017 17:45
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Bloodnose posted:Good thing this was classified. We wouldn't want the wrong people to know topography Overclassification is a known problem and the natural result when the consequences for not classifying something you should are way, way worse than the reverse. For that to change we'd need a seismic shift in the way the populace and government interact and in the position of the executive. Can't imagine what might cause that.
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Feb 3, 2017 17:46
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Bloodnose posted:Good thing this was classified. We wouldn't want the wrong people to know topography Highly accurate maps were totally a thing that needed to be classified back in the day, there were obvious military/spy advantages for having very accurate maps for yourself in a time when every random person couldn't just start up google maps. It was for the same reason that the Soviet Union would purposefully publish misleading or outright false maps of various areas for public consumption, while keeping full detail accurate maps for the military.
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Honj Steak posted:English proficiency in East Germany is much worse than in the West, if you take that into account it might be accurate. Was in Saxony on vacation recently, boy was I reminded of that my German needs a brushing up.
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fishmech posted:It was for the same reason that the Soviet Union would purposefully publish misleading or outright false maps of various areas for public consumption Please post some of these
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