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JacksAngryBiome posted:I thought the amount of votes also determined likelyhood of success? Or is that for mission choices? If it happens in the background or is too big to happen in mission, I usually roll dice unless I feel something actually succeeding would be more amusing in the long term. Edit: If it happens in-mission I let the players' success or failure dictate the outcome. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Ice Fist posted:
To play Devil's Advocate though, I'd like to see the players take on the Demon Hawks, just to see how much of the OP is in fact 'player advantage' Actually, since we're talking about the Shadow Division; in this timeline, are these units 'Ascended'? Or just merely organic fanatics?
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Changing my A vote to 4 and 6 because as much as I like seeing davion and Kurita fail I really want to see this play out. B I am not so sure of yet.
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Alchenar posted:Or given that Comstar is behind in tech and doesn't realise it's behind in tech it could result in them getting hilariously stomped. Are we so sure they're behind in tech? We've seen the ComGuards, but the Shadow Divisions are... something else. And even if they are behind, universally being 100% Elite/Fanatical makes up for a lot, especially if they invented C3i early.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:47
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Option A: 1 and 4 Option B: 1 I hope we get to see some wobbie-style cyberzombies.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:53
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wiegieman posted:I hope we get to see some wobbie-style cyberzombies. Especially if Capellan Skynet hijacks them all. 
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Feb 2, 2017 22:16
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh man, wouldn't that be a glorious surprise for ComStar to see. They send in their cyber-goons and they all get brain-jacked by skynet. MJ12 posted:Are we so sure they're behind in tech? We've seen the ComGuards, but the Shadow Divisions are... something else. And even if they are behind, universally being 100% Elite/Fanatical makes up for a lot, especially if they invented C3i early. On the other-other-other hand, Uncle Stevie seems like he tries to prepare for anything. I doubt he trusts ComStar any more than they trust him. I mean, he had a plan for taking out a big rear end war ship in orbit with a jump torpedo. He might have something to deal with a bunch of crazy mech pilots that show up to kill him, even if they are crazy skilled to go with regular crazy. Or maybe their landing zone just gets bum-rushed by Good Doggies and they never even get off the boat.
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Zaodai posted:Or maybe their landing zone just gets bum-rushed by Good Doggies and they never even get off the boat. Here's what happens when Comstar tries to assassinate Uncle Stevie: Assassin's show up and move in for the kill. Uncle Stevie's big swivel chair turns around. 'Oh my Blake JC it's a bomb!' Uncle Doggie racks up the killcount.
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Feb 2, 2017 22:39
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A: 1, 4 B: 1 So far, so bloody well amazing.
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EponymousMrYar posted:Uncle Doggie racks up the killcount. From now on every time I imagine Stefan Amaris it will be patting a tiny Good Doggie that emits adorable little robo-barks. If attacked he will of course fling it in his assassin's face.
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Feb 2, 2017 22:55
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Loxbourne posted:From now on every time I imagine Stefan Amaris it will be patting a tiny Good Doggie that emits adorable little robo-barks. The best part is that would probably be in character for him.
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MJ12 posted:Are we so sure they're behind in tech? We've seen the ComGuards, but the Shadow Divisions are... something else. And even if they are behind, universally being 100% Elite/Fanatical makes up for a lot, especially if they invented C3i early. So the way I'm reading things is that ComStar have been more or less doing the thing of preserving Star League technology for themselves and making sure nobody else gets anything done. The Capellans have gone dark and have The Society furiously working for them, and while we know that Amaris has been having his guys tinkering away on explosive drones and jump drives and everything else, we just got a pretty big hint that ComStar has no idea about any of that stuff. I read the Shadow Divisions as being maybe a little special but really their significance being as part of a power play by Focht.
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A bunch of fanatical ninjas going around and ganking mechwarriors (and support crews) while they're in their barracks would be pretty effective.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:21
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But that's sane and practical. We play in a world where giant robots make more sense as a weapon than tanks and spaceships are vulnerable to tiny fighters they should eat away with ease with a little CIWS.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:33
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SIGSEGV posted:But that's sane and practical. We play in a world where giant robots make more sense as a weapon than tanks and spaceships are vulnerable to tiny fighters they should eat away with ease with a little CIWS. Also, "sane and practical" may not work as well against the NRWR as it does against the other houses, given that "sane(ish) and practical" is their hat. They have actual commando teams and research and stuff. That's why the fluff blurb mentioned that they've been fairly resistant to attempts from ROM to infiltrate them. They somehow managed to screen out the guy they've never seen whos attempt to blend in is "So, how about local sports team, fellow employee?"
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Alchenar posted:So the way I'm reading things is that ComStar have been more or less doing the thing of preserving Star League technology for themselves and making sure nobody else gets anything done. The Capellans have gone dark and have The Society furiously working for them, and while we know that Amaris has been having his guys tinkering away on explosive drones and jump drives and everything else, we just got a pretty big hint that ComStar has no idea about any of that stuff. I read the Shadow Divisions as being maybe a little special but really their significance being as part of a power play by Focht. The Shadow Divisions could be much less exotic and far more literal in their name this time, as well. They could be using the old Star League-era DCSM trick of having one "battalion" on station which is actually twice the size because you actually have two of everything, painted up exactly the same and organized along the exact same TO&E, but only ever let one be seen at any time. In other words, one of them is a shadow of the other. Seems like a move ComStar would pull. You have permission to have 12 mechs on station? Then you put 12 pairs there.
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Alchenar posted:So the way I'm reading things is that ComStar have been more or less doing the thing of preserving Star League technology for themselves and making sure nobody else gets anything done. The Capellans have gone dark and have The Society furiously working for them, and while we know that Amaris has been having his guys tinkering away on explosive drones and jump drives and everything else, we just got a pretty big hint that ComStar has no idea about any of that stuff. I read the Shadow Divisions as being maybe a little special but really their significance being as part of a power play by Focht. ComStar has, even in the original timeline, done R&D and expanded on Star League programs, such as their creation of the Tornado and their new-build warships. It's probable that given they had a rival in the form of Amaris (who I believe we voted to not trust at all) they would have done more than just sit on their laurels. I mean, it's possible that the Shadow Divisions are nothing special but I'm expecting that they'll at least be up to Jihad standards of high-end augmentation plus fanaticism plus high-end pure IS tech, which compared to the ridiculous awesome of Superheavy mechs with Quad Strength Myomer and RISC-tech would make them technically 'nothing special.' Like, Amaris is running around with half of the Machina Domini system, RISC-tech, and high-end Clan experimental gear in limited amounts. A Shadow Division that's loaded to bear with Celestials and the MD Trio of Pain Shunt/VDNI/Dermal Myomer isn't really as 'special' as that.
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Votes are around 27 for both now. Changing votes is not allowed I think. I kind of wanted to vote for Stevie just so the Dekon Hawks could defend him, but yknow, what if it succeeds. Then again he did say the Constitution prevents us from failing.
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I'm going to go with: A: 4 and 6 B: 3
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EponymousMrYar posted:Here's what happens when Comstar tries to assassinate Uncle Stevie: Remind me, doesn't Amaris have some in with Comstar right now? I remember one of their guys hanging out with him in some previous update. Would he be tipped off about anything the First Circuit does against him? As for votes, A4 A6 B3 These seem like the biggest destabilizing moves, since pirate raids and garrisons are pretty routine. I really couldn't guess why they'd want to weaken the FWL further either, the Precentor laid out what'd happen if they killed Marik but not why they'd actually want to do it. Also isn't Carlos home yet?
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Dolash posted:Remind me, doesn't Amaris have some in with Comstar right now? I remember one of their guys hanging out with him in some previous update. Would he be tipped off about anything the First Circuit does against him? They do, but to be fair, this is Comstar we're talking about. They are /exactly/ the sort of people who would shake your hand with their right hand while plotting to stab you in the back with their left. And they'd make sure to steal your brother's knife to do it with.
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Dolash posted:Remind me, doesn't Amaris have some in with Comstar right now? I remember one of their guys hanging out with him in some previous update. Would he be tipped off about anything the First Circuit does against him? Well, Amaris figured out Comstar was lying when he asked if they still backed him and
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I certainly hope Comstar have a shot , no pun intended, at taking him out. Because not only do I support the clans for all the crazy poo poo they'll pull, but a destabilized Inner Sphere+Rimworlds is just as fun.
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That was Stefan Amaris VII, though. He is not on Andurien and just because he suspects he's being lied to doesn't necessarily mean he expects ComStar is going to try to murder his family. Edit: Besides which, even if he were to send his dad a "Oh, hey, by the way: watch out for ComStar" message that's not really as helpful a warning as it could be, since they're not likely to send an assassin wearing white acolyte robes. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Nobody would expect them to be so obvious...
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I'm hoping the Amaris option leads to a surprise Aerotech game of warships v warships.
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Max anarchy 1- 2,3 2- 3 "Listen, the only thing across that bit of space is the Irurzun Prefecture... that's Draconis Combine territory." "But haven't we been allies with the Dracs since the war 15 years ago?"
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PoptartsNinja posted:That was Stefan Amaris VII, though. He is not on Andurien and just because he suspects he's being lied to doesn't necessarily mean he expects ComStar is going to try to murder his family. It does mean, however, that if his family ends up murdered (or attempted-murdered), he's probably going to expect ComStar above even the Clans. I guess if they want to force his hand to truly be Maximum Hitler, that'd be a good way to bait out the transformation. I'm sure only good things will come ComStars way from having angry Space Hitler AND Chinese SkyNet out for their blood!
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Alchenar posted:I'm hoping the Amaris option leads to a surprise Aerotech game of warships v warships. It won't because I don't particularly find Aerotech enjoyable. It's better balanced than BattleTech but at the same time tracking everything necessary for the game is really not a one-man job.
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Could other players volunteer to help? I appreciate PTN may just not like the game, which is his prerogative, but if logistics is the problem I'm sure some goons could step up. I'd be certainly willing to help.
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PoptartsNinja posted:It won't because I don't particularly find Aerotech enjoyable. It's better balanced than BattleTech but at the same time tracking everything necessary for the game is really not a one-man job. Couldn't you fudge it by using Megamek to track? Make 1 side for the players and give them like, a +12 initiative bonus, and one side for your boats? Megamek supports Aerotech and has done so for years, which is how I've had some fun space-battleship duels with friends in the past.
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Not in a way that would be meaningful. AeroTech (and BattleSpace, which are the rules I'm more familiar with) actually try to simulate basic physics. If you're familiar with Kerbal Space Program you probably spotted the problem with that immediately: it's really easy for an inexperienced player to misjudge an acceleration and put their squadrons out of the playing area. Then, I'd have to keep track of every unit's - identity - direction of travel - facing (because those don't have to match direction of travel) - whether or not they're inverted (because that's a thing) - their velocity - something else I know I'm forgetting And I'd have to do so in a way that would be immediately communicated to the players when they glanced at the map. I already spend roughly 35-40% of my update time working on the maps we have, which have far less information to communicate. So yeah. I could do AeroTech. I just don't want to. 
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You could just do a Battlefleet Gothic video instead. (I love me some Battlefleet Gothic, but this is not a serious suggestion.)
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Zaodai posted:You could just do a Battlefleet Gothic video instead. Someone should run with this advice and launch a "Let's All Play WH40k and rewrite Imperium history" thread. Except there'd be no point in scenario voting because Goons would always pick Orks. By like 33K it'd just be different Ork clans battling it out for who's Da Biggest until the Tyranids show up.
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Dolash posted:Someone should run with this advice and launch a "Let's All Play WH40k and rewrite Imperium history" thread. I actually meant the new-ish Battlefleet Gothic video game, but that thread would be funny. Unfortunately, 40k (as much as I love it) doesn't really have a bunch of territory changes and political interaction like Battletech, so I don't think even PTN could make that AU compelling, it'd just be lines on the map. Also, as much as a Space Wolves fanboy as I am, I'd probably be pulling for the Tau in that thread. Because, as always, ROBOTS. Orks are cool too though.
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Dolash posted:Someone should run with this advice and launch a "Let's All Play WH40k and rewrite Imperium history" thread. I'd pick
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