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We should ask Ian Hislop who the next Labour Party leader will be, he's always been so good at it in the past. Remember when he openly mocked the idea of Boris getting anywhere in politics, and dismissed May as a thatcher wannabe in nice shoes who will be destined for a minor cabinet position to make up the numbers.
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Julio Cruz posted:I'm gonna wait for an actual source for his comments rather than just criticise him on what he "apparently" said. The Sun has some quotes, it's the sort of poorly thought through comment of 'Labour will stand by you and for you against oppression, for those who choose to be gay, choose to be lesbian' etc.
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My sexuality is exactly as much a choice as my political beliefs. I could stop finding either sex attractive exactly as much as I could stop believing that capitalism is inherently immoral, which is to say, I can't. Because that understanding doesn't go away any easier than my understanding that people's anatomy has a rather limited amount to do with how attractive they are. But I think most people would still treat my political beliefs as elective. As they would with probably all the other information I have in my head. The line between choice/not a choice is complicated but in terms of ethics I really don't see anything false about believing that sexuality is not immoral, regardless of whether it's a choice or not. I don't care why you think it so long as you do think it.
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Julio Cruz posted:I'm gonna wait for an actual source for his comments rather than just criticise him on what he "apparently" said. https://www.facebook.com/pinknews/videos/10155018741476518/ the "choice" comments are in the last 30 seconds
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Gum posted:Is it normal to be checking a paper's grammar at 4am on the day it's supposed to be published? Probably, for whatever peon is assigned to do last minute checks and then print off copies for all the ministers. It's hardly difficult to believe
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Feb 2, 2017 20:47
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://www.facebook.com/pinknews/videos/10155018741476518/ I mean what he says isn't great, but this is another "perfect is the enemy of good" scenario where people will pile on Corbyn for 15 seconds out of an 8-minute speech while completely ignoring the Tories' attitude to LGBT issues.
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I don't particularly want to start a well-trodden Oxbridge Access debate, but it's nice to see that Cambridge has the 9th most privately educated intake, as higher proportions of state school pupils succeed at gaining entrance - up 8 percent in 10 years. Plenty of ground still to cover, but moving in the right direction. Also, looks like there's been a Southern Rail deal struck, but no details available yet. Edit: ^^ Pretty irritating to hear Tory MPs criticise the 'regressive attitude'. Prince John fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 20:54
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Neither of these reaches the current benchmark, which is the TA unit who performed a controlled detonation on a suspicious package found at their barracks to find it was a box of leaflets with instructions on how to deal with suspicious packages.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:58
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Guavanaut posted:Lots of things are natural and terrible. Some things are natural and good. Plenty of things are unnatural and good. Yeah, that's my point. But, the public has an undeniable association with natural things and goodness, so I understand it's rhetorically convenient to be able to say "queer sexuality is natural". quote:I think the existence of identical twins with differing sexuality and the existence of completely different standards of sexualities throughout history makes it unlikely to be something completely innate and hard wired into you before your birth, but I also think that love between consenting adults should be protected from assholes whether they're yelling "it's a choice and you can choose not to!" or "it's genetic and we need screening!" Yeah, basically. Sexuality's probably complicated but the net property is a simple "don't be a dick".
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Feb 2, 2017 20:59
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Regarding the whole Corbyn gaff thing aye he should apologise for it but he's been a steadfast supporter of gay rights his entire career so I'm willing to bet it was just a verbal mix up.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:38
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/RuddleMatthew/status/827144811341815809 Aye, cos he works so hard the rest of the year.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:43
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lol america https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/827254053843378176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Sion posted:Aye, cos he works so hard the rest of the year. 14 weeks paid holiday is good. I support this.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:46
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And you all called me silly when I said that 4 hour days and a third of the year off was silly in the last thread, it's now government policy!
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Feb 2, 2017 21:47
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Gonzo McFee posted:Crosspost from Scotpol thread. its not even technical beyond "enough gsce maths to recognise a differential"
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Feb 2, 2017 22:02
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Behold all the tabled amendments
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Feb 2, 2017 22:23
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If you're going to try and keep on top of the amendments etc just bookmark Ronya's link - depending how many get added it it'll be easier. ronya posted:you can examine the sausage here: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/europeanunionnotificationofwithdrawal/documents.html
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Gonzo McFee posted:Crosspost from Scotpol thread. the teacher from ferris buellers day off is a pedo
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Feb 2, 2017 22:43
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Looks like the US is going to take a giant leap backwards on religion in politics and another one on various LGBT-related issues:quote:US President Donald Trump has announced he will "get rid of and totally destroy" a 60-year-old rule that blocks tax-exempt religious groups from endorsing or opposing political candidates. And also: quote:The declaration came as an apparent leaked draft of a new executive order set out how specific religious beliefs—reflecting conservative Christian social tenets—could become enshrined as executive policy. And he's now apparently a devout Christian: quote:Last September he tried to woo evangelical voters with a promise that the US' "Christian heritage will be cherished, protected, defended like you have never seen before". His repeal of the amendment would "give our churches their voice back", he said. The sheer rate of executive orders is pretty impressive, whatever you might think of the contents. If only politicians who weren't orange tangarines could deliver so many election promises so quickly.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:08
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Jose posted:the teacher from ferris buellers day off is a pedo It certainly puts a new dark twist on a film about a manipulative teenage sociopath.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:16
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Jose posted:the teacher from ferris buellers day off is a pedo As Angepain pointed out in ScotPol, Murdo Fraser doesn't understand his sources: Matthew Broderick isn't sitting in the class at all, as the film's title indicates. His piss poor knowledge of John Hughes movies aside, it's rather revealing - and frustrating - that he seems to think that just saying "the Laffer curve" is a winning argument, when even Laffer himself doesn't think it can or should be the basis of policy making.
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Niric posted:As Angepain pointed out in ScotPol, Murdo Fraser doesn't understand his sources: Matthew Broderick isn't sitting in the class at all, as the film's title indicates. His piss poor knowledge of John Hughes movies aside, it's rather revealing - and frustrating - that he seems to think that just saying "the Laffer curve" is a winning argument, when even Laffer himself doesn't think it can or should be the basis of policy making. not sure what this has to do with the actor who played the teacher in ferris buellers day off being a pedo tbh
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Feb 2, 2017 23:31
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it wasn't the teacher, it was the principal.
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The Laffer Curve is a metaphor for paedophile erections Also there's a human being called Murdo Frasier. Half way between a murderer and Birdo.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:35
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Feb 2, 2017 23:37
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I took Corbyn's remarks as "choose to live life as a LGBT person" as opposed to choosing to be closeted or whatever. Regardless it doesn't matter why people are gay, homophobia is always bad.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:37
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Jose posted:lol america
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OK so it's like half a dozen people pushing for all the important stuff and then there's effectively what are spoiler clauses by the SNP that will get tanked.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:45
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Goons join us for Question Time in #ukgoons on synirc.quote:David Dimbleby presents Question Time from Wallasey. On the panel are Sir Patrick McLoughlin, Rebecca Long Bailey, Maajid Nawaz, Nick Hewer and Laura Perrins.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Also there's a human being called Murdo Frasier. Half way between a murderer and Birdo. My grandad was called Murdo, he wasn't a Tory. And the Gaelic version of Dangermouse was called Donnie Murdo. https://youtu.be/y-5hII715_s #NotAllMurdos
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forkboy84 posted:My grandad was called Murdo, he wasn't a Tory. And the Gaelic version of Dangermouse was called Donnie Murdo. Alasdair Caimbuel as the Sgriobhadh sounds interesting.
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I Dont know who Chris Leslie is but he's rammed in All The Amendments, so that parliament will get like 5 minutes to discuss each. Can't people who want to soften brexit coordinate these things?
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Feb 3, 2017 00:44
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Can't find anything on this: the travel ban on Israeli citizens by Arab nations, is this something that has been in place effectively from Israel's inception? Or did these bans come in at some point in response to the refusal to acknowledge Palestine etc.? Just interested because of the Villiers/May commons thing about it.
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El Grillo posted:Can't find anything on this: the travel ban on Israeli citizens by Arab nations, is this something that has been in place effectively from Israel's inception?
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Namtab posted:I Dont know who Chris Leslie is but he's rammed in All The Amendments, so that parliament will get like 5 minutes to discuss each. Can't people who want to soften brexit coordinate these things? If we're assuming that they aren't going to pass anyway, you could see it as a form of protest. You can then point back and say: "Look how the government rushed this bill, barely gave us any time to amend it when there's so much to discuss!"
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An all-day brexit is an all-day brexit.
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Private Speech posted:If we're assuming that they aren't going to pass anyway, you could see it as a form of protest. You can then point back and say: "Look how the government rushed this bill, barely gave us any time to amend it when there's so much to discuss!" That's the stupidest strategy since Corbyn announced he would never vote no to an unamended brexit
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Namtab posted:That's the stupidest strategy since Corbyn announced he would never vote no to an unamended brexit Going by his Twitter he's a very PLP Labour MP but he does some good stuff on refugees and consistently opposed Brexit despite voting with the whip. Maybe he just went all "gently caress it". Less charitably he wanted to hurt Corbyn with this somehow, I don't see much how though.
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Private Speech posted:Going by his Twitter he's a very PLP Labour MP but he does some good stuff on refugees and consistently opposed Brexit despite voting with the whip. Maybe he just went all "gently caress it". Less charitably he wanted to hurt Corbyn with this somehow, I don't see much how though. Maybe having multiple amendments is to sort of try and attract Labour mps to vote for his instead of Corbyns. That way they can attack corbs for not being able to convince mps to vote for his own amendments. I just can't see any other reason for a Labour mp to chair all those amendments, some of which are watered down versions of the primary Labour amendments.
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