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Lurdiak posted:It's not stupid, it's great. It makes all the stupid philosophical debates the X-people constantly have null and void. They're a failed science experiment made by aliens. oh I don't mean stupid as a quality statement I just mean stupid as in it's real stupid we have these kinda huge technically still canon dangling threads just blowing in the wind and nothing ever happens with them. I 100% want someone like Apocalypse to smack down Scott next time he's all "EVOLUTION" with a good 'shut up we're an alien beta test that they forgot to delete fully'.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:oh I don't mean stupid as a quality statement I just mean stupid as in it's real stupid we have these kinda huge technically still canon dangling threads just blowing in the wind and nothing ever happens with them. I 100% want someone like Apocalypse to smack down Scott next time he's all "EVOLUTION" with a good 'shut up we're an alien beta test that they forgot to delete fully'. Yeah, there are an awful lot of those half-formed ideas hanging out, especially in the X-men universe. Remember changelings?
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Feb 2, 2017 06:24
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The creation of Mutants goes back to when the Celestials created Eternals and Deviants. That is all still canon as far as I know. As it should be.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:26
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Apropos of nothing, has Apocalypse ever fought thanos?
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Feb 2, 2017 06:26
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I kinda like it because it makes pretty much everything about mutants being superior or inferior to humans pointless, just like actual bullshit pseudo-scientific explanations for why racism is ok.
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site posted:Apropos of nothing, has Apocalypse ever fought thanos? I think they were both in MvC2, so yes.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:28
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Lurdiak posted:It's not stupid, it's great. It makes all the stupid philosophical debates the X-people constantly have null and void. They're a failed science experiment made by aliens. Only if you really want it to be. Though if you have that weird a grudge against fictional characters you don't really need canon reasons.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Only if you really want it to be. I think you misunderstand, I don't have a grudge against Magneto or Cyclops or anyone else who brings up those arguments about evolution, I just enjoy that they're completely wrong about the thing they're arguing about because of aliens.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:33
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They aren't wrong no dumb story from the 70s is gonna change that no matter how pedantic you want to be,
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Feb 2, 2017 06:38
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah, there are an awful lot of those half-formed ideas hanging out, especially in the X-men universe. Remember changelings? oh my god I forgot changelings. How do we have loving IvX when we could be talking about changelings???
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Feb 2, 2017 07:18
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Lurdiak posted:I think they were both in MvC2, so yes. Apocalypse was about the only character in the series to that point who wasn't in MvC2. Tatum Girlparts posted:yea it's one of those stupid things that is still somehow technically canon because it's never been contradicted but I can't remember the last time it's actually come up I want to say Adam Warren brought it up in that Galacta: Daughter of Galactus one-shot he did several years ago. There's a lot of Whitley Streiber "aliens came here and messed with us" lying around in the 616 if you go far enough back, though. The Eternals, the Deviants, the Young Gods, the Inhumans, the Celestials, the Kree...
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Wanderer posted:Apocalypse was about the only character in the series to that point who wasn't in MvC2. drat, I must be getting confused by Mugen again. The price of Saltybet. Tatum Girlparts posted:oh my god I forgot changelings. How do we have loving IvX when we could be talking about changelings??? IvXvC, coming in 2018.
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Feb 2, 2017 07:33
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When will Marvel revamp Eternals and then pit them against the X-Men?
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Feb 2, 2017 07:34
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Roth posted:When will Marvel revamp Eternals and then pit them against the X-Men? They already sort of did but it was bad and forgettable.
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Feb 2, 2017 07:54
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Lurdiak posted:That is really not a stretching of the word I can approve of. That'd be like saying giving everyone on earth mutant powers would be a genocide of the human race. I would agree if every X-writer since House of M didn't have the X-Men treat the prospect of having mutants die out as some awful nightmare. It's the same tortured race metaphor as always and just like it has never worked with X-Men, it doesn't work with Inhumans. So I guess what I'm saying is, you're not wrong, but good luck getting Marvel to realize it. e: Oh and I'll nth the love for Wasp.
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Feb 2, 2017 08:48
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bobkatt013 posted:In a way it would be genocide if they destroyed the cloud as it would mean no more inhumams. It would end their race. The Inhumans gene is resilient enough to last at least hundreds of years, that we know of, without the mist, and then after which I guess they might just be normal people living their lives...which they were in the first place anyway. Mutants, on the other hand, have two weeks before they die in pain and sickness. The math is pretty clear, here.
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The mutants are born as mutants, whereas the Inhumans are born as humans and only become Inhumans when they're exposed to the Terrigen mists, but they have a unique gene that allows them to be affected by the mists, aren't they?
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Feb 2, 2017 10:25
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Tatum Girlparts posted:oh my god I forgot changelings. How do we have loving IvX when we could be talking about changelings??? Remember that a whole bunch of mutants were actually evolved from wolves? 
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Feb 2, 2017 11:20
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X-O posted:The creation of Mutants goes back to when the Celestials created Eternals and Deviants. That is all still canon as far as I know. As it should be. I thought this was some Earth X garbage and not mainline canon.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:oh my god I forgot changelings. How do we have loving IvX when we could be talking about changelings??? Because Death Of X killed the only one still around who also was butchered for no good reason after actually getting a happy ending. gently caress I hated Death Of X. So far the best thing about IvX is that Bagley keeps drawing Strong Guy so it looks like Guido got his soul back and maybe someone will do something with him again!
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Feb 2, 2017 16:04
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Wheat Loaf posted:The mutants are born as mutants, whereas the Inhumans are born as humans and only become Inhumans when they're exposed to the Terrigen mists, but they have a unique gene that allows them to be affected by the mists, aren't they? Yes.
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rantmo posted:Because Death Of X killed the only one still around who also was butchered for no good reason after actually getting a happy ending. gently caress I hated Death Of X. I think Guido got his soul back in Thunderbolts. Mephisto got him to give the throne of hell back in exchange for his soul and some other poo poo that I forget because that Thunderbolts run was really bad. I might be getting this confused with a New Mutants storyline where they also went to hell around the same time, but I think it was T-bolts.
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Wheat Loaf posted:The mutants are born as mutants, whereas the Inhumans are born as humans and only become Inhumans when they're exposed to the Terrigen mists, but they have a unique gene that allows them to be affected by the mists, aren't they? I think basically it's as much of a difference as say Johnny Storm and Peter Parker. Both got their powers due to exposure to something, just the details are different. In the case of Mutants compared to Inhumans both have origins in the persons genetic makeup but Mutants get their powers during puberty whereas Inhumans can get theirs as soon as they are born if they are exposed to Terrigen, which apparently was standard practice at one time as Black Bolt demolished half a city as an infant due to his Inhuman ability.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:21
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Lurdiak posted:I think Guido got his soul back in Thunderbolts. Mephisto got him to give the throne of hell back in exchange for his soul and some other poo poo that I forget because that Thunderbolts run was really bad. If Thunderbolts got Strong Guy his soul back, then that run would be worth it.
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IUG posted:If Thunderbolts got Strong Guy his soul back, then that run would be worth it. I really wanted more stories with Strong Guy as the king of hell, personally.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:27
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Yeah it happened in the good Thunderbolts run that no one read because it was following the Only Bad Thunderbolts Run. I can't blame anyone for that either because drat was that a bad run.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:39
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Lurdiak posted:I really wanted more stories with Strong Guy as the king of hell, personally. If only because Strong Guy wouldn't have done a dick thing like erase Spider-Man's marriage.
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Feb 2, 2017 17:42
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I really wanted Hellcat to help him get his soul back and then have him join the cast.
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Lobok posted:If only because Strong Guy wouldn't have done a dick thing like erase Spider-Man's marriage. He got the job after Mephisto did that, I'm pretty sure. Although it would've been pretty hilarious to have an angry Strong Guy pop into existence in the middle of a Spider-man storyline and restore his marriage. "What am I even gonna do with a marriage? The old boss was an idiot." Apparently Strong Guy was a "tough but fair" hell ruler and actually gave damned souls a shot at atoning for their sins and moving on, which is what hell is apparently supposed to do, which just makes it even more frustrating we didn't get to see him in the role longer. Having the devil be kind of a decent guy deep down is a really interesting cosmological situation that you could explore in lots of ways, especially if he's got the old devil constantly scheming to get the job back.
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Lurdiak posted:He got the job after Mephisto did that, I'm pretty sure. Although it would've been pretty hilarious to have an angry Strong Guy pop into existence in the middle of a Spider-man storyline and restore his marriage. Marvel's new, big summer crossover event: Strong Guy Makes Amends. Or "Let's Make a Deal" since he's bound by his predecessor's rules to offer up Faustian bargains instead of just granting outright wishes like a genie.
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Can I just say that it's really hard not to type Strong Guy's name as Strong Bad.
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Mr. Maltose posted:Yeah it happened in the good Thunderbolts run that no one read because it was following the Only Bad Thunderbolts Run. I can't blame anyone for that either because drat was that a bad run. I tried reading some Thunderbolts a while back and wasn't impressed; maybe that was during the bad run? If I want to get into them, where should I point my MU subscription?
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Zombie Dachshund posted:I tried reading some Thunderbolts a while back and wasn't impressed; maybe that was during the bad run? If I want to get into them, where should I point my MU subscription? The original Busiek/Bagley run is pretty solid cape comics from a period in time where Busiek was writing the only really good books at Marvel. When Busiek leaves, Fabian Nicieza takes over, which takes a while to hit its stride but eventually does some really interesting things in the obscure corners of the Marvel Universe. For the recent volume, the "red" Thunderbolts, you want the Charles Soule issues. The "bad run" they're talking about was written by Daniel Way.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:34
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Basically everything Thunderbolts not written by Daniel Way or the current run( which I haven't been able to actually read yet) are at minimum solid cape comics and a good read. Even the weird tangent underground fighting arc is worth people's time in my opinion.
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I wasn't impressed with the current run, mostly because I found the art mega off-putting.
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The art looked like rejected Liefeld art from the 90s. Like wtf? Also Fixer changing races was weird.
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The only good character in the current tbolts is kobik and she hardly gets to do anything The storyline isnt all that hot and as mentioned neither is the art, overall its a pretty mediocre book
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twistedmentat posted:The art looked like rejected Liefeld art from the 90s. Like wtf? Also Fixer changing races was weird. Did they make him black or something?
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As far as I know Fixer still is and always has been a white guy.
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Wanderer posted:The original Busiek/Bagley run is pretty solid cape comics from a period in time where Busiek was writing the only really good books at Marvel. When Busiek leaves, Fabian Nicieza takes over, which takes a while to hit its stride but eventually does some really interesting things in the obscure corners of the Marvel Universe. Cool, thanks. I'll give that a try.
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