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JFairfax posted:For 2015/16, the overall NHS budget was around £116.4 billion. Yeah it's definitely a relatively small problem, and requires a commensurately measured response. But I think insisting it's not worth acknowledging could only make it a worse problem for the reasons I highlighted earlier.
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El Grillo posted:Can't find anything on this: the travel ban on Israeli citizens by Arab nations, is this something that has been in place effectively from Israel's inception? Or did these bans come in at some point in response to the refusal to acknowledge Palestine etc.? Just interested because of the Villiers/May commons thing about it. Just in case it helps with context, a coalition of these Arab states declared war on Israel the day after it made its independence declaration, so relations were definitely not normalised in any way at inception. Of course there's lots of bad blood from the period before independence that influenced these later events.
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Pissflaps posted:Yeah it's definitely a relatively small problem, and requires a commensurately measured response. people think it's a far worse problem than it is, because highlighting it as a problem fits into the 'all forrins' are bad' narrative that is the zeitgeist these days. I am sure the NHS is on top of this, but the problem would have to get dramatically worse for it to become a real issue.
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JFairfax posted:people think it's a far worse problem than it is, because highlighting it as a problem fits into the 'all forrins' are bad' narrative that is the zeitgeist these days. It is a real issue, just a small one. I think acknowledging the issue every now and then is how it will remain a small one.
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The problem is when the papers take a very tiny thing and make it a big thing by harping on about it all the time because it fits into a narrative/agenda that they are trying to push. If the NHS were being looked at impassionatly then they should be going down the list wasteful issue by wasteful issue filtering out those that are easiest to fix to be looked at first, and only when you get right down near the bottom will non-payment of NHS bills show up. As an example, we are spending a fortune on agency nurses. Temp staff are in a different budget category to permanent staff, and the loop holes mean that using agencies at a much higher cost ends up giving a hospital a higher yearly budget (E. after wages are taken out) than if they hired the same amount of full time nurses. The way the civil service budgeting is set up actively discourages underspending. If your department underspends by £50k they don't give you £50k less next year, they give you £100k less. This means that at the end of the year managers end up frantically ordering in toilet paper, stationary and new kettles.
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MikeCrotch posted:My Gran probably voted Brexit, she got really upset when a bunch of MUSLIM women were seen at the doctor before her. Even if you accept the racism at face value, Muslim immigrants mostly don't even come from the EU.
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Between brexit and trump getting rid of the financial regulations put in place after 2008 the global economy is in for a wild ride
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Pissflaps posted:The NHS does spend money on treating patients it can't recover the costs for so it does happen. The cost of a plane ticket is a lot less than healthcare. The plane ticket thing is only useful if you have an acute condition, in which case you're probably in no shape to get on a plane and are indeed probably in your own country's A&E. If you've got something chronic, well, a tourist visa only lasts so long and you can't work while you're over here in any case which rather offsets the savings in medical bills. And if you do actually immigrate, like my wife did, you get to pay a 100 quid a year fee for the NHS whether you use or not so you're not getting a free ride that way either (plus, y'know, immigrating to the UK is neither easy nor cheap).
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feedmegin posted:The plane ticket thing is only useful if you have an acute condition, in which case you're probably in no shape to get on a plane and are indeed probably in your own country's A&E. If you've got something chronic, well, a tourist visa only lasts so long and you can't work while you're over here in any case which rather offsets the savings in medical bills. And if you do actually immigrate, like my wife did, you get to pay a 100 quid a year fee for the NHS whether you use or not so you're not getting a free ride that way either (plus, y'know, immigrating to the UK is neither easy nor cheap). OK but some people must be getting a 'free rise' or that £200 million cost wouldn't exist. I pay for the NHS whether I use it or not - which is as it should be - so I'm not particularly moved by your wife's £100 annual bill tbh.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Even if you accept the racism at face value, Muslim immigrants mostly don't even come from the EU.
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Pissflaps posted:OK but some people must be getting a 'free rise' or that £200 million cost wouldn't exist. Ah... this is kind of how risk is generally distributed?
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Mozi posted:Ah... this is kind of how risk is generally distributed? I don't understand your question.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't understand your question. Never mind, I think I misunderstood the conversation.
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JFairfax posted:theoretically the most likely place that health tourists would come from would be America, but most Americans have no concept of free healthcare so they don't. yeah, my friend was surprised when I mentioned to her that not only would she get the surgery she needed for free if she became an international student here, but her degree would be a fuckload cheaper too get educated and save tens of thousands on healthcare and tuition fees, seems good america sucks rear end Oberleutnant posted:Bristol antifa are tasty as hell. That insane Dover demo this time last year, they were all in the thick of the fighting the entire time. I mean it's the best city I keep telling you fuckers
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Pissflaps posted:OK but some people must be getting a 'free rise' or that £200 million cost wouldn't exist. She pays for that on top of the taxes that she pays as a UK resident just as you do.
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Why aren't you all out panic buying lettuces?
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feedmegin posted:She pays for that on top of the taxes that she pays as a UK resident just as you do. I don't have a problem with people paying more or less into the NHS depending on their circumstances. I'm surprised you do.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't have a problem with people paying more or less into the NHS depending on their circumstances. I'm surprised you do. I have a problem with the circumstances being simply 'you're a foreigner' as opposed to 'you make more money'. From each according to their ability and all that.
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Wheat Loaf posted:My dear old gran voted to Leave because, (and this is what she told me) "I haven't trusted the Germans since 1939." My grandma voted for remain on the exact opposite basis, actually; she thought that being tied together was what's stopped europe fighting. "We've never had it so good" basically.
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Jippa posted:Why aren't you all out panic buying lettuces? I don't particularly like lettuce. What's up with panic buying lettuce?
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feedmegin posted:I have a problem with the circumstances being simply 'you're a foreigner' as opposed to 'you make more money'. From each according to their ability and all that. Well, you would, because you're being asked to pay a whole extra £100 for access to the NHS. Lots of foreigners get ongoing, free at the point of care, treatment from the NHS entirely legitimately. Describing it in as simple terms as you are is not entirely honest.
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Dead Goon posted:I don't particularly like lettuce. In brexit britain we will have food stamps like in the war.
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spinach and cabbage and kale far superior to lettuce
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Pissflaps posted:This is just the tip of the iceberg. 
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Jippa posted:Why aren't you all out panic buying lettuces? Jokes on you, i've been panic buying courgettes for weeks
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Dead Goon posted:What's up with panic buying lettuce? I mean, I can't imagine ever wanting to buy more than one head of lettuce at a time, but there you go.
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Lettuce doesn't really keep very long, does it? This all seems flawed. And one lettuce seems like it'd be plenty for one week. And I enjoy lettuce. Although iceberg is a bit bland. Nice with a veggie burger though.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Rainfall and flooding in the Mediterranean countries has ruined the crop, so supermarkets are only letting people buy at most three at a time. I bought a lettuce once, made a couple of BLTs and then left the lettuce to rot in my fridge. True story.
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MikeCrotch posted:Jokes on you, i've been panic buying courgettes for weeks much more economical to just buy one sturdy, dishwasher-safe dildo imo
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Lettuce is really easy to grow yourself but attracts slugs like flies on poo poo Lettuce is pretty poo poo though, I basically only use it when i'm losing weight on a low carb diet and need some kind of vehicle to carry the rest of the dinner
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Iceburg lettuce will doom your rabbits, lizards and tortoises to a slow horrible death. It's mostly water, has virtually no calories or nutritional value and your pet will use more calories eating it than they get from it, and as Lizards/tortoises have tiny stomachs and a slow metabolic rate you are basically starving your pet to death with food.
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learnincurve posted:Iceburg lettuce will doom your rabbits, lizards and tortoises to a slow horrible death. It's mostly water, has virtually no calories or nutritional value and your pet will use more calories eating it than they get from it, and as Lizards/tortoises have tiny stomachs and a slow metabolic rate you are basically starving your pet to death with food. Whenever I am out with my friend buying food for her Guinea Pigs we have to scan the ingredient lists on those salad bags you can get to make sure they do not contain iceberg lettuce because as you say, it is doubly poo poo for pets you might feed it too.
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