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why would you eat lettuce when you can eat spinach?? Feb 3 - 1488 - The Portuguese navigator Bartholomeu Diaz landed at Mossal Bay in the Cape, the first European known to have landed on the southern extremity of Africa.
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JFairfax posted:spinach and cabbage and kale far superior to lettuce kale needs cooking and cabbage is usually best cooked if its not coleslaw. watercress is best for sandwiches imo
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Poor old migrant vegetables, shouting "Lettuce in!", only for Nigel Cabbage to deny them.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Pissflaps posted:Well, you would, because you're being asked to pay a whole extra £100 for access to the NHS. There's also the fact that the surcharge was introduced by the Tories specifically to tax immigration and curb health tourism concerns, so it's valid to bring up when talking about health tourism. With several hundred thousand non-eu immigrants a year it seems like it would in fact offset most of it.
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Jose posted:kale needs cooking and cabbage is usually best cooked if its not coleslaw. watercress is best for sandwiches imo u can put spinach in sandwiches and it is v good.
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Private Speech posted:There's also the fact that the surcharge was introduced by the Tories specifically to tax immigration and curb health tourism concerns, so it's valid to bring up when talking about health tourism. It wouldn't address health tourist concerns as it's specifically for people living here on a long-term basis (over six months).
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Pissflaps posted:It wouldn't address health tourist concerns as it's specifically for people living here on a long-term basis (over six months). Either way it makes up for it? It would be difficult to tax actual tourists. The immigrant numbers are also for long-term stay. E: And having tourists pay an explicit "NHS surcharge" seems like a really good way to make health tourism into an actually significant thing.
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Feb 3, 2017 14:59
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Private Speech posted:Either way it makes up for it? It would be difficult to tax actual tourists. Somebody who is described as a 'health tourist' is specifically somebody who has come to the UK to take advantage of the NHS, from whom payment is not recoverable. That costs £200 million a year. These people aren't paying for NHS treatment. You might consider the amount spent on them to be unimportant, or the issue not worth much attention, but to say that some other people do pay for the NHS is neither here nor there.
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Pissflaps posted:Well, you would, because you're being asked to pay a whole extra £100 for access to the NHS. I don't understand what you're even saying here, and particularly I don't see anything in here which is a defence of 'you're a foreigner therefore you should have to pay extra for the NHS on top of your taxes'. The putative fact that a lot of other foreigners, specifically tourists who suffer accidents or whatever over here, don't have to pay, isn't relevant to that point. Is there such a defence, or do you agree that this is in fact unjust?
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Feb 3, 2017 15:09
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feedmegin posted:I don't understand what you're even saying here, and particularly I don't see anything in here which is a defence of 'you're a foreigner therefore you should have to pay extra for the NHS on top of your taxes'. The putative fact that a lot of other foreigners, specifically tourists who suffer accidents or whatever over here, don't have to pay, isn't relevant to that point. Is there such a defence, or do you agree that this is in fact unjust? It is relevant because you're trying to portray it as a 'foreigner surcharge' when that is clearly not the case. Lots of foreigners are able to legitimately claim NHS treatment without additional charges. Your wife is not one of them. Ultimately I think paying an extra £100 a year to access the NHS represents excellent value for money. I don't understand what your complaint is.
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Feb 3, 2017 15:12
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Pissflaps, I have dedicated a class and two hours homework to your abilitys. Your deflection, contrariness, and stamina are amazing. Its just a shame you waste your abilities on somethingawful, but then again since you're a tory, its probably the best. Namaste.
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Feb 3, 2017 15:15
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I don't think I've deflected anything I'd welcome a quote demonstrating otherwise?
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Pissflaps posted:Somebody who is described as a 'health tourist' is specifically somebody who has come to the UK to take advantage of the NHS, from whom payment is not recoverable. That costs £200 million a year. These people aren't paying for NHS treatment. The surcharge was literally introduced under the pretext of health tourism (along with changes allowing trusts to charge visitors 150% of the cost of treatment): http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32281155 While this doesn't mean you share the government view even if you do support the charge, it is a reason why it is relevant to bring up. e: And arguably if you consider all non-citizens to fall into one lot it's a much more efficient and less disruptive way to recoup the money than introducing point-of-treatment eligibility checks and potentially denying treatment in emergency. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Feb 3, 2017 15:26
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LemonDrizzle posted:Rainfall and flooding in the Mediterranean countries has ruined the crop, so supermarkets are only letting people buy at most three at a time. This is all around where my parents live between Murcia and Cartaghena. All the fields (and there are a lot) are owned by subsidiaries of the big supermarkets and lettuce and courgette and what not have been literally washing down the road since Christmas. The floods were like York on any given year, but apparently they have just been endlessly replanting, only to have the new crops wash away. So the supermarkets have decided to nix the wholesale part of the operation, and send the dwindling stock to stores, and therefore charging more for the same thing for restaurants, markets et all, and eliminating any bulk buy orders. Capitalism wins once again!
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Pissflaps posted:Though it's not just foreign people - British people who live elsewhere aren't necessarily entitled to free healthcare. Dirty bloody emigrants, they make me sick.
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Private Speech posted:The surcharge was literally introduced under the pretext of health tourism (along with changes allowing trusts to charge visitors 150% of the cost of treatment): http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32281155 These are increased charges for some foreign visitors using the NHS, not the International Health Surcharge we've been discussing. ...is correcting you 'contrarianism'?
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Feb 3, 2017 15:30
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Pissflaps posted:These are increased charges for some foreign visitors using the NHS, not the International Health Surcharge we've been discussing. Literally the first few lines of the bbc article: quote:Visitors from outside the EU who receive treatment in NHS hospitals in England are now being charged 150% of the cost under changes brought in to discourage "health tourism".
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Private Speech posted:Literally the first few lines: So, literally from your article, the surcharge being applied is in addition to measures designed to discourage health tourism. Health tourists are by definition short term visitors. They're not students or others on long term visas living here.
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Pissflaps posted:So, literally from your article, the surcharge being applied is in addition to measures designed to discourage health tourism. It was introduced as subsections of the same "NHS Visitor and Migrant Cost Recovery Programme" with the explicit goal of covering the cost of health tourism. The money from the two policies is counted together as proceeds from the programme. Short article covering it: NHS Visitor and Migrant Cost Recovery Programme There even is conservatihome article moaning how the charge is too low for the goal blah blah blah it's conservatihome. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Feb 3, 2017 15:39
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spectralent posted:My grandma voted for remain on the exact opposite basis, actually; she thought that being tied together was what's stopped europe fighting. "We've never had it so good" basically.
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Private Speech posted:It was introduced as subsections of the same "NHS Visitor and Migrant Cost Recovery Programme" with the explicit goal of covering the cost of health tourism. The money from the two policies is counted together as proceeds from the programme. Literally from the first few lines of your link: quote:This surcharge will not apply to non-EEA visitors (here for less than 6 months), who instead can expect to pay 150% of the cost of any treatment they receive whilst in the UK. The two measures: surcharges and increased treatment charges are addressing two different issues. The former is for longer term visitors who need to use the NHS, the second for short term visitors who visit the UK to use the NHS. The fact that there is an identified £200 million health tourist bill makes it obvious that this surcharge being applied to other people that aren't health tourists is not covering the cost, and is not intended to.
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Pissflaps posted:The fact that there is an identified £200 million health tourist bill makes it obvious that this surcharge being applied to other people that aren't health tourists is not covering the cost, and is not intended to. The government certainly tried to pretend it is: quote:Ms May said the details of a charge for immigrants to use NHS services had yet to be worked out.
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Feb 3, 2017 15:50
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I'm not finding that quote particularly persuasive I'm afraid.
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Feb 3, 2017 15:51
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Labour's pro Brexit stance paying off in the polls https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/827535162070138881 Just 14 points in it. Have they taken them directly off UKIP?
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I wonder what happened to noted UKMT leftist and all round good egg The Saurus? https://twitter.com/jimpjorps/status/827526974646153216 Oh
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I've never really looked at the @britainelects Twitter feed before. How do you decide which aggregated poll to post Pissflaps?
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Feb 3, 2017 16:21
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2% is probably about the margin of error for a sample population of that size. Please stop wanking over meaningless statistical fluctuations
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Pissflaps posted:It is relevant because you're trying to portray it as a 'foreigner surcharge' when that is clearly not the case. Lots of foreigners are able to legitimately claim NHS treatment without additional charges. Your wife is not one of them. My wife pays extra because she is a foreigner. The fact some other foreigners don't does not stop this being a surcharge on foreigners. And again this is an extra sum on top of the taxes that we all pay, her included. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Serotonin posted:I wonder what happened to noted UKMT leftist and all round good egg The Saurus? He's quite something. Dead Goon posted:I've never really looked at the @britainelects Twitter feed before. What do you mean by 'aggregated poll'? That latest poll is from YouGov.
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Serotonin posted:I wonder what happened to noted UKMT leftist and all round good egg The Saurus? Isn't he trying to emigrate to the States so he can mooch off his girlfriend? I don't remember the whole story.
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feedmegin posted:My wife pays extra because she is a foreigner. The fact some other foreigners don't does not stop this being a surcharge on foreigners. And again this is an extra sum on top of the taxes that we all pay, her included. I understand your plight. big scary monsters posted:Isn't he trying to emigrate to the States so he can mooch off his girlfriend? I don't remember the whole story. He lives in America with her and is planning to ship his entire Corbyn-supporting, Brexit voting family out to be with him as soon as they've flipped their council house for a profit.
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big scary monsters posted:Isn't he trying to emigrate to the States so he can mooch off his girlfriend? I don't remember the whole story. He already did that. He tried to sob story in here that his wife had to turn to sex work to pay for him to come over but actually it turns out that her aunt paid for him to move. He sponged off his wife-to-be's aunt to move to the US and then whines about immigrants coming to the United States.
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Pissflaps posted:He's quite something. My bad, Poll aggregator rather than Aggregated poll. Still interested in your choice of poll result though.
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Something a bit lighter for a Friday, that I've just spotted - John Bercow opens tennis dome at University of Essex. quote:Our impressive new tennis dome at Colchester Campus has been officially opened by alumnus and House of Commons Speaker the Rt Hon John Bercow MP. Accompanied by a top pic:  When later asked to explain the choice of hoodie, Bercow responded: https://fuwa.se/p/FweRTK.webm
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Serotonin posted:I wonder what happened to noted UKMT leftist and all round good egg The Saurus? Did he really only get a 6 hour probation for that? Pissflaps posted:He's quite something. He might have one of the strangest life stories of anyone I've ever come across. A very odd chap.
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Dead Goon posted:My bad, Poll aggregator rather than Aggregated poll. I think that's the only one that's 'none commentary'. Your question suggests I'm choosing polls that reinforces my existing opinions - do you know of alternative ones that might challenge them?
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I don't trust polling data anymore. The largest voting block now has a way of not answering the phone if a number they don't know comes up, and because of the sheer quantity of people on the high street hawking for charities or phone companies they totter quickly away from anyone holding a clipboard.
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I believe the majority of polls are online or over the telephone so your chugger effect isn't really an issue.
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Feb 3, 2017 16:33
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Baron Corbyn posted:Did he really only get a 6 hour probation for that? Six hours is what you get before an admin turns up and bans you, I think.
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