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WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Halman posted:

I got pretty sick while doing a semester abroad in London, sorry for stealing all your NHS and making it fail. :(

Just send Flaps a cheque for £100

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Regarde Aduck posted:

If I was to be cynical I think it more likely that they just won't support anything May does because Brexit is their baby. Some of UKIP must believe that the Tories stole their moment.

Acquaintances of mine who work for the Conservative Party inform me that a substantial number of Kippers started quitting and joining (in a lot of cases rejoining) the Tories very promptly after the election. The inference is presumably that they were in UKIP to get the referendum and win it, but now it's been held and won, they feel content in going back to the Tories, who they trust to manage it to their satisfaction.

The inference from that is that the people staying with UKIP are the ones who quit the Tories over gay marriage or some other issue, so they're going to be dismissive of them no matter how much they're doing what they like.

Of course, it could well be much more complicated than that. Or much simpler. Who knows?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

TheRat posted:

And this is why the right keeps winning.

*watches Corbyn get fuckbarrelled for talking to the IRA, Hamas*

"hmm, we should impotently protest a foreign head of state by hanging around with infamous rapists, this will solve our electoral woes"

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

*in 2020, the political left are associated with misogynist cults because of the SWP and the Maoist rape guy*

"HOW COULD THE LEFT HAVE FAILED"

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I can't keep up with all the sarcasm.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


okay so i read the New Statesman instead of the guardian to keep the lib stuff to a minimum, but today i'm presented with this

http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2017/02/furred-reich-truth-about-nazi-furries-and-alt-right

quote:

The Furred Reich: The truth about Nazi furries and the alt-right

People who dress up as animals are adopting Nazi-style iconography and calling themselves “alt-furry”. What’s behind it?

is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

icantfindaname posted:

is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?

Yes

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

icantfindaname posted:

okay so i read the New Statesman instead of the guardian to keep the lib stuff to a minimum, but today i'm presented with this

http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2017/02/furred-reich-truth-about-nazi-furries-and-alt-right


is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?

lol goddamn furry's ahahah

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

icantfindaname posted:

is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?

Reminder: a study of fake news distributed in the UK found it was almost entirely from the mainstream press, not fake news orgs.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


JFairfax posted:

lol goddamn furry's ahahah

i mean, at least have the decency to make it about anime nazis. not furries. come on

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


quote:

“It’s obviously not a swastika,” claims Foxler – who also insists his furry name is a portmanteau of “Fox” and his real surname, “Miller”, not “Hitler”, as many online argue. Foxler says he first began wearing the armband – which features a paw print in place of a swastika – after he dropped out of high school and started playing the online role-playing game Second Life, in which the band was available as a character accessory.

y'all country is messed up

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

JFairfax posted:

he literally is, and he's responsible for a thousand times more rapes than the SWP

He's not by any legal definition of war crime. You could pay a hundred million quid assemble the best legal team in the world and he'd still walk.

I can get into the aspects of international law that mean I'm right, or you can just admit that being immoral is not against the law.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I started to feel a smidgen of sympathy for Foxler and thought that maybe given his own race and his partners race that he was just a bit stupid and very strange. Then I got to the end of the article and saw the picture and right though his web of lies.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
he is a war criminal simple as that, I know that technically they didn't ratify that nuremberg judgement thing until 2010 which means technically he's not a war criminal.

but he lied to parliament to take us to war.

he is guilty of committing the supreme crime, simple as that.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

JFairfax posted:

he is a war criminal simple as that, I know that technically they didn't ratify that nuremberg judgement thing until 2010 which means technically he's not a war criminal.

but he lied to parliament to take us to war.

he is guilty of committing the supreme crime, simple as that.

So what you're saying is that he's literally not a war criminal by any definition but your own opinion. Given this you think it's a good idea for the labour party to call for his arrest, despite knowing that he hasn't done anything illegal because reasons?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Yorkshire Tea posted:

So what you're saying is that he's literally not a war criminal by any definition but your own opinion. Given this you think it's a good idea for the labour party to call for his arrest, despite knowing that he hasn't done anything illegal because reasons?

he lied to parliament about the reasons for war, that's got to be illegal.

and the war criminal thing, well I am sure we can get him on something.

parliament is sovereign, let's just make this poo poo retroactive and lock him up.

fucker's a war criminal, just get some spurious charges, put him in front of a jury of his peers and get his rear end locked up.

I would cite the judicial ruling of nuremberg as precedent for what he did.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

learnincurve posted:

I started to feel a smidgen of sympathy for Foxler and thought that maybe given his own race and his partners race that he was just a bit stupid and very strange. Then I got to the end of the article and saw the picture and right though his web of lies.

*puts on hitler moustache and googly eyes*

Fail Foxler!!

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


TheRat posted:

And this is why the right keeps winning.

The right keeps winning because runts like you rather sympathise with the covering of rape to keep things "united" then getting rid of the posion that will ruin the left platform later on when it's used against the values that leftism shares.

If you are willing to compromise with the likes of rapist sympathizers then you will do a good job of fitting in with the likes of the GOP.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Extreme0 posted:

The right keeps winning because runts like you rather sympathise with the covering of rape to keep things "united" then getting rid of the posion that will ruin the left platform later on when it's used against the values that leftism shares.

If you are willing to compromise with the likes of rapist sympathizers then you will do a good job of fitting in with the likes of the GOP.

I'm not super sure that running screaming from everything the SWP attends is a winning strategy though.

Better thing to do would be to tell them to gently caress off and it's our event now.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


OwlFancier posted:

I'm not super sure that running screaming from everything the SWP attends is a winning strategy though.

Better thing to do would be to tell them to gently caress off and it's our event now.

Where did I state that we should "run" from them instead of telling them to gently caress off or better yet get rid of them.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In the context of people refusing to attend events with the SWP in them...

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Extreme0 posted:

runts like you rather sympathise with the covering of rape

Go gently caress yourself

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

TheRat posted:

Go gently caress yourself

Yeah um that was uncalled for.That said comrade Rat, the SWP are their own long-standing not cool thing. They're not just another random leftist party, they are a weird cult that is problematic as gently caress and genuinely harmful to the Left. People itt aren't bagging on them out of narrow sectarianism.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




icantfindaname posted:



is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?


An annoying trend that seems to be getting worse is quoting random nobodies from social media. Like here where the BBC gives us Facebook User Kimini Delfos' take on their current top trending story.

gently caress you, Facebook User Kimini Delfos. Delete your Facebook account and never post your bad opinions again.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

feedmegin posted:

That said comrade Rat, the SWP are their own long-standing not cool thing. They're not just another random leftist party, they are a weird cult that is problematic as gently caress and genuinely harmful to the Left.

I know that. I've just seen where this road leads, and it's always to focus being removed from the actual cause and onto "Who's the worst leftie?"

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I'll quicker get rid of the SWP than lose all women tbh.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


TheRat posted:

I know that. I've just seen where this road leads, and it's always to focus being removed from the actual cause and onto "Who's the worst leftie?"

It's not about who is more lefty than who. It's about actively covering up rape. Rape is bad. Line in the sand that I won't cross. A refusal to hold fellow comrades to the standards of basic human decency is what allows this poo poo, or the craziness of the Workers Revolutionary Party to happen. gently caress no. Just because I agree with you on politics, I'm not going to give you a pass on acting like a decent person.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

icantfindaname posted:

okay so i read the New Statesman instead of the guardian to keep the lib stuff to a minimum, but today i'm presented with this

http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2017/02/furred-reich-truth-about-nazi-furries-and-alt-right


is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?
The New Statesman has been on a bizarre quest for relevance and down-wiv-da-yoofness for a while now. They have endless articles on the deep cultural meaning of video games and Marvel superhero films and stuff (they did a feature recently called "What Would Captain America Make Of Donald Trump ffs). I like video games and lovely movies as much as the next guy but the New Statesman is not the place. This just feels like that dialed to 11. It's basically Trendy Vicar: The News Magazine and now it's gone horribly wrong

Zephro fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 3, 2017

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I don't give a poo poo what the SWP thinks Marx really meant, I give a poo poo that they harbour rapists and keep sheltering them. Rapists go hand in hand with fash as people who don't respect other people's right to freely exist.

spectralent fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Feb 3, 2017

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
that post got the saurus permabanned lol

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


TheRat posted:

Go gently caress yourself

Sorry if the issue of women getting raped and the group of shiteheads covering it up is secondary to your hate for trump.

How about you gently caress off and think on the fact that you are making excuses for a group that harbours loving rapists.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Extreme0 posted:

you are making excuses for a group that harbours loving rapists.

I did no such thing. Go gently caress yourself. Again.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Looks like Abbott really is a grade A POS

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/827448516041699328

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
John Harris continues to be A Good Reporter

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/03/leavers-cheap-eu-labour-workers-brexiters

It's a video hence no copy/paste but it's worth watching

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Subtlety from Andrew Neill:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/827333938767032320

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


TheRat posted:

I did no such thing. Go gently caress yourself. Again.

"The right win all the time because a bunch of lefties are actually decent human beings that won't join hands with a group of rapist sympathizers."

Go gently caress off. Again.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Cancer is not a migraine.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Zephro posted:

(they did a feature recently called "What Would Captain America Make Of Donald Trump ffs).

The journalist here appears to have totally neglected his research - due to a character with god-level abilities being lied to, reality in the Marvel universe has been rewritten so that Captain America is a secret neo-nazi now (well, Hydra but same thing) and would totally be a Trump fan.

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

icantfindaname posted:

okay so i read the New Statesman instead of the guardian to keep the lib stuff to a minimum, but today i'm presented with this

http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2017/02/furred-reich-truth-about-nazi-furries-and-alt-right


is literally the entirety of the british press terrible?

This reminds me of that Zizek essay on Rammstein where he talks about how by appropriating the symbols of national socialism and making them mean something different, you remove some of the strength of the original meaning.
Therefore, we should do all we can to encourage this behaviour.

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Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!



I could believe this.

Except it's on the Sun so excuse me if I doubt the credibility of it.

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