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NikkolasKing posted:It's the Demi-fiend. I heard about that years before I knew who the Demi-fiend even was. It is a pretty interesting thing to do. If a post from earlier is anything to go by, he's a physical powerhouse. (the poster was commenting on how I made my Demi-fiend a mage) The battle system in Nocturne and DDS is called the Press Turn system. It's also used in SMT4, and the basis for the combat system of pretty much all subsequent games (including Persona 3 /4) giving an additional bonus for hitting an enemy weakness. Persona 3's system is called One More Press or something like that. In addition to those Lucifer is technically an optional boss, and possibly one of the most difficult challenges of Nocturne is the gravestones in the Labyrinth of Amala which require you to beat the bosses of the game within a certain number of turns. In the base non-labyrinth of Amala parts of the game there's the four kings in Masakado's place and the "just a palette swapped slime" version of Mara but they're all pushovers. There is a pretty clear division between DDS 1 and 2 so they work well as two separate games. The DDS games were released within a year of each other between Nocturne and Persona 3, it's possible that a portion of Atlus was pulling their resources into Persona 3 development at the same time.
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NikkolasKing posted:Thank you for the info. You finished DDS 1 already? I still haven't gotten around to DDS 2 because DDS 1 is kind of cool but it can get pretty sloggy with the huge dungeons and high encounter rate. Not sure if I will continue with DDS2 after it or not, probably not I've picked up a lot of DDS 2 stuff from skimming LPs and such, it does some clever things with the plot but it has arguably the goofiest convoluted JRPG plot of the PS2 era SMT games... Its only competition is the original Raidou though that series takes itself a lot less seriously. I got that and Nocturne again at the same time but somehow played through lots of DDS instead. Maybe just because I've played Nocturne a ton of times in the past and DDS is less familiar. I think you have the right idea by playing something else, Raidou seems like a good antidote to DDS burnout. I feel like pretty soon you will have played all the modern SMTs which aren't on handhelds...
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Item Getter posted:You finished DDS 1 already? I haven't finished DDS1 quite yet, I'm just budgeting right now and figuring out what other games I can justify purchasing. I was contemplating DDS2 but I think I can better use that $10 on vs. King Abaddon. I hear it has multiple routes and endings. I always enjoy that in RPG's. But yeah, the DDS1 encounter rate and huge dungeons really take their toll. As I noted earlier, this is significantly shorter than any of the other SMT games I've played but there's very little motivation to continue. I really need to finish P3 before P4 gets here, too....
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NikkolasKing posted:I haven't finished DDS1 quite yet, I'm just budgeting right now and figuring out what other games I can justify purchasing. I was contemplating DDS2 but I think I can better use that $10 on vs. King Abaddon. It has multiple routes and endings about as much as most SMTs do (that is to say, they don't make very much difference.) It's still a good game though.
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Item Getter posted:It has multiple routes and endings about as much as most SMTs do (that is to say, they don't make very much difference.) It's still a good game though. Well, I mean, a different ending is a different ending. From what I know, Chaos in SJ is a whole different kettle of fish compared to the Law ending I got. Plus, different final bosses are also interesting.
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NikkolasKing posted:I would assume the bosses are beyond those red walls? I might try to tackle them. I'm not a huge fan of DDS' combat system. They are throwing plenty of Macca at me now but even still, to get all the not-Sphere Grid filled out would take a lot of time. I would assume I at least need the uber-tier Mantras like Goddess (has the full party heal) and others. Gonna needs millions. No new ending for the extra DDS bosses, just some really good and engaging fights. You can clear them all outside of Demifiend battle without excessive grinding or the super expensive mantras, from my recollection. While DDS2 has a few controversial design elements, I find the setting vastly more interesting than DDS1 and they make some really neat tweaks to the combat system and mantra grid. It also builds strongly off the character development that takes a while (for plot reasons) to get going on part 1. I really do recommend it.
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Tortolia posted:No new ending for the extra DDS bosses, just some really good and engaging fights. You can clear them all outside of Demifiend battle without excessive grinding or the super expensive mantras, from my recollection. Well I should have more money next month on account of not having to buy a console so I can probably get DDS2 then. I have every intention of playing it, it was just low on my list. Also Atlus asks what fans want quote:The main question about Persona series asks if fans would like to see a new fighting game for Persona 5, a board game for the Persona series, an HD remaster of Revelations: Persona, a Persona 3 dance game, Persona series online game, a Persona shooter, Persona 6, a new version of Persona 5 with additional scenario and new content, a Persona 5 dance game, a HD remaster of Persona 3, HD remasters of the Persona 2 games, or a sequel/port for Persona Q. The survey also asks for each of the aforementioned titles whether you’d like to see it on PS4, PSVR, PS Vita, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo 3DS, smartphone, or others. It's not gonna happen but I'd like a Strange Journey follow-up. Also I hope no one votes for 3DS anything. Just put all your poo poo on Sony consoles! Or Nintendo Switch I guess but no 3DS, please.
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quote:The main question about Persona series asks if fans would like to see a new fighting game for Persona 5, a board game for the Persona series, an HD remaster of Revelations: Persona, a Persona 3 dance game, Persona series online game, a Persona shooter, Persona 6, a new version of Persona 5 with additional scenario and new content, a Persona 5 dance game, a HD remaster of Persona 3, HD remasters of the Persona 2 games, or a sequel/port for Persona Q. The survey also asks for each of the aforementioned titles whether you’d like to see it on PS4, PSVR, PS Vita, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo 3DS, smartphone, or others. Well those sure are some ideas. Probably just moving on to Persona 6 would be best, but a version of the P3 female MC path that doesn't have to depend on the VN presentation would be kinda neat, I guess. NikkolasKing posted:Also I hope no one votes for 3DS anything. Just put all your poo poo on Sony consoles! Or Nintendo Switch I guess but no 3DS, please. On the contrary, more 3DS stuff please, I actually have one of those and I'm not ready to drop $250 on a new console, from anybody.
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Yeah, more 3DS. I want to use this console more.
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Tired Moritz posted:Yeah, more 3DS. I want to use this console more. You already got 4 game, including the newest entries in the main series. We got...a dancing game and some fighting games.
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NikkolasKing posted:You already got 4 game, including the newest entries in the main series. We got...a dancing game and some fighting games. are you just ignoring persona 5 exists look i know it took a million years to come out but it's here now
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NikkolasKing posted:You already got 4 game, including the newest entries in the main series. We got...a dancing game and some fighting games. yeah but the 3ds got PQ which is like one anti-game.
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Feb 3, 2017 20:21
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NikkolasKing posted:Well I should have more money next month on account of not having to buy a console so I can probably get DDS2 then. I have every intention of playing it, it was just low on my list. They ought to just work on Persona 6 and stop milking the individual games in the series so much, but I'd love to see combat with toilets and hula-dancing demons in full HD. Imagine them making that one Persona awakening scene from Snow Queen quest with modern HD, and all the weird torture rooms from Nemesis tower or whichever one it was.
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Can we get the HD Remasters yes please sirs. Like, do the remasters then give me 6 tia
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So Amazon is pretty awesome. I got that free Prime trial when ordering my stuff this morning and I got all my stuff this afternoon with no additional cost. Well, I didn't get Persona 4 Golden because that wasn't sold directly by Amazon themselves but I should get it Sunday they say. But I now got my PSTV. Can't do much with it right now but it's there. Neat little gizmo. I guess I should just go finish P3 before P4 gets here. Is there a dungeon before Nyx or do you just go to the boss fights? I'm really just kind of ready for P3 to be over. If there is anything I've noticed by playing SMT and Persona games, it's that the Persona games are not actually very fun games in terms of anything relating to combat. IMO anyway.
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm really just kind of ready for P3 to be over. If there is anything I've noticed by playing SMT and Persona games, it's that the Persona games are not actually very fun games in terms of anything relating to combat. IMO anyway. To be fair though, from what you've said in this thread you're playing P3's combat in a kinda hosed up way. IMO it's very similar to the other SMTs and if you actually engage with the game systems and use the options they give you it's quite fun. Same goes for P4. P5 to me looks like the ideal mash-up of Persona and mainline SMT and I'm so hyped. Persona with demon negotiation is exactly what I need in my life.
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I don't think it's controversial to say that Persona 3 and 4 are much weaker in the dungeon crawling and battle categories than Nocturne or DDS.
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I'd be willing to buy a new console for Persona 1/2 remakes.
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thorsilver posted:To be fair though, from what you've said in this thread you're playing P3's combat in a kinda hosed up way. IMO it's very similar to the other SMTs and if you actually engage with the game systems and use the options they give you it's quite fun. Same goes for P4. Did you play Persona 2? I don't know what you mean by "engage with the system" though. You hit the enemy with their weakness, they fall down, rinse and repeat. Maybe now and then you use a status effect to manage a crowd of beefy enemies or Tartarus bosses. My strategy of using my guy for healing was mostly something I did for boss fights. In normal fights, given you go first, knocking the enemy down and ending the fight with one all out attack is pretty much how every fight works and I did that. As for comparing with mainline SMT, as I noted earlier, I dislike the buff/debuff duration mechanics and how they drop off characters individually and leave you vulnerable for a whole turn and there's nothing you can do about it. The whole knockdown system itself is really repetitive but it isn't helped by enemies having the Evade [Weakness] skills. (I hear that poo poo is turned up to 11 in The Answer) Stumble and taking a whole turn to get back up is lovely too, even if I never tire of seeing the MC swing his axe/hammer/whatever, whiff and subsequently spin around to fall flat on his back. WrightOfWay posted:I don't think it's controversial to say that Persona 3 and 4 are much weaker in the dungeon crawling and battle categories than Nocturne or DDS. For me it's like this: Nocturne > Strange Journey > DDS >>> P3 > [infinite] > P2. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:even if I never tire of seeing the MC swing his axe/hammer/whatever, whiff and subsequently spin around to fall flat on his back. I liked using one-handed swords and spears in FES because they were the easiest to get a surprise attack in the field with (or at least not get into a disadvantage if you whiffed.)
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Though, wiping out a whole group of five shadows using nothing but the suction-cup bow because they're weak to Pierce damage is pretty hilarious.
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Waffleman_ posted:I would like if Persona 1 and 2 were actually playable. Well you see they are playable right now on PSP, PS1, and even PC and PS3!!!
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Luna Was Here posted:There will be a final section of Tartarus that opens on The Final Day Also your party doesn't get tired so you can take as long as you need.
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Tortolia posted:Also your party doesn't get tired so you can take as long as you need. Well that's a nice feature. But man, I'm seriously realizing how much I can't stand Fuuka. Is this like because Persona is for babies that need a character to scream at them when their HP is low and to tell them what skills to use or are they actually trying to do some character building and stuff?
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NikkolasKing posted:Did you play Persona 2? OK, 'modern-era Persona with demon negotiation' then. I assumed it was obvious that I was referring to something like P3/4, which I'd just been talking about and which are a pretty different animal from P2. quote:I don't know what you mean by "engage with the system" though. I mean using your MC as more than a healer, switching up characters, all the stuff that ImpAtom already explained to you at length. You're basically missing chunks of the mechanics and variety. quote:You hit the enemy with their weakness, they fall down, rinse and repeat. Maybe now and then you use a status effect to manage a crowd of beefy enemies or Tartarus bosses. My strategy of using my guy for healing was mostly something I did for boss fights. In normal fights, given you go first, knocking the enemy down and ending the fight with one all out attack is pretty much how every fight works and I did that. Well yes, it's an RPG -- normal fights are there to put pressure on your resources, and provide a source of XP, money, item drops and Personas as you work your way to the boss and fine-tune your setup along the way. If the normal fights aren't sweating you enough for your tastes, you might enjoy kicking the difficulty setting up when you start P3P? quote:As for comparing with mainline SMT, as I noted earlier, I dislike the buff/debuff duration mechanics and how they drop off characters individually and leave you vulnerable for a whole turn and there's nothing you can do about it. The whole knockdown system itself is really repetitive but it isn't helped by enemies having the Evade [Weakness] skills. (I hear that poo poo is turned up to 11 in The Answer) Stumble and taking a whole turn to get back up is lovely too, even if I never tire of seeing the MC swing his axe/hammer/whatever, whiff and subsequently spin around to fall flat on his back. Refresh your buffs so they don't drop off. Not sure what I can say about how you don't like constantly hitting weaknesses but also don't like when you can't hit weaknesses. Don't misunderstand me, I prefer SMT to P3/4 when it comes to combat. But I also feel P3/4 does a very good job of making adjustments to the SMT style of combat -- a set of characters with relatively defined roles as opposed to a lone MC with a party of demons, etc. -- in order to fit the character-focused story they're telling. It's not perfect but it's still a good system that fits the games well.
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thorsilver posted:I mean using your MC as more than a healer, switching up characters, all the stuff that ImpAtom already explained to you at length. You're basically missing chunks of the mechanics and variety. I mean, I use a set team of characters in every RPG I play. It's not really a detriment to the gameplay and how much I enjoy it. Like how in DDS I ignored both Cielo and Gale because what do I need a third mage for? I rolled with Argilla and Heat every time I could and I liked it well enough. thorsilver posted:Well yes, it's an RPG -- normal fights are there to put pressure on your resources, and provide a source of XP, money, item drops and Personas as you work your way to the boss and fine-tune your setup along the way. If the normal fights aren't sweating you enough for your tastes, you might enjoy kicking the difficulty setting up when you start P3P? I might do that. I've already been advised to play P4G on the highest difficulty because it's too easy. quote:Refresh your buffs so they don't drop off. Not sure what I can say about how you don't like constantly hitting weaknesses but also don't like when you can't hit weaknesses. You cannot refresh buffs. That was not a thing until Persona 4 Golden from what I've read. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:I might do that. I've already been advised to play P4G on the highest difficulty because it's too easy.  P4G has five difficulty levels. I think you misunderstood someone who told you to play on Hard. You're just going to bore yourself to death on Very Hard with grinding.
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Strange Quark posted:
I think you're probably right. I wasn't sure what to play it on but Hard it is then.
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NikkolasKing posted:I think you're probably right. I wasn't sure what to play it on but Hard it is then. I wonder if this is some sort of fan edit? I've literally never heard this track before but I have every version of the OST
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What's strange about it? It's a full version of a song just like anime openings have full versions.
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