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Siivola posted:...I'm sorry, which hotel is that? if you got a forums account when you were 10, i shudder for your future
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Siivola posted:...I'm sorry, which hotel is that? But yeah, we ran our Friday Night Fights using the ruleset and the technical bonuses didn't get awarded often. I barely know what I'm doing so I'm glad I not a ref lol.
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Jan 9, 2017 19:17
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Uziel posted:Cool. If you see a big bald dude with a gigantic beard, that's me. Say hi. =P I'll be the guy in the navy blavy and gray slacks, being yelled at by parents! God, I hate SYC's. EDIT: I meant "blazer", but I might try to find a blavy just for this event.
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Jan 10, 2017 18:49
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Siivola posted:He'll be the guy in black. Relax! I know it's easier said than done, but see if you can avoid tensing up. Slow parry drills like the one I posted can help with this sort of thing: use it to first gauge how small a parry you can get away with, and then repeat a bunch of times to drill small, controlled motions into your muscle memory. In general, as you get further away from your opponent, you can get away with smaller parries and still be successful. Right up to the point where they fall short and you survive with no parry at all. The idea behind thinking about your distance is to make sure you are always in a situation where a nice small parry will work, so you have the opportunity to fix your flailing habit. Plus, being slightly further away gives you slightly less time pressure, and should by itself reduce your urge to do an oversized emergency "oh poo poo" parry.
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Jan 11, 2017 00:52
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 Courtesy of the peeps at the Waterloo Sparring Group. I want to go there some day.
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Jan 14, 2017 23:49
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That certainly is a novel way of disarming your opponent. But is it historically accurate?
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Jan 15, 2017 00:17
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Capitol Clash was an absolute blast. I went 0-3 in the pools but got lots of constructive and useful feedback, and met lots of people. I did manage to get over my crushing levels of adrenaline too!
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Jan 17, 2017 18:34
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Hey remember when I went to the Helsinki Bolognese Open?Siivola posted:Edit2: Also I have the gnarliest bruise in my thigh right now. I might have to invest in some padded pants before I try my luck at longsword.  I'm now enjoying Gnarl 2: The Inner Thigh.That aside, the tournament was a lot of fun. I still went 0-5 in the pools (I like big pools and I can not lie) and didn't make the cut, but whatever, I didn't have anything left after the last fight anyway. I'm pretty happy with how I did: Turns out that while things like timing, distance and picking the right openings transfer across weapons remarkably well, you still need to train a specific weapon to actually score any points with it. (Surprise!) Landed some nice thrusts but got doubled or afterblown out, reached good grips but didn't score takedowns, missed a lot of parries because of missing footwork, stuff like that. Then we went drinking and yesterday Kristofer Stanson held a seminar on military sabre. I'm pretty pooped. Competitions are fun.
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Jan 23, 2017 23:07
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Well, fencing is kicking back into action here and so far I have a pulled calf muscle (better now but drat that was a close call, could have been serious), a burst blister on the ball of my back foot from lunging too hard, and a small blister on by index finger from bladework. Hooray for injuries!
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Jan 31, 2017 11:21
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 Fun times. Out for 3 months and only just able to complete a fairly easy practice.
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Jan 31, 2017 20:23
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Get better soon, guys. 
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Jan 31, 2017 23:56
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Crazy Achmed posted:Well, fencing is kicking back into action here and so far I have a pulled calf muscle (better now but drat that was a close call, could have been serious), a burst blister on the ball of my back foot from lunging too hard, and a small blister on by index finger from bladework. Hooray for injuries!
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Feb 1, 2017 01:02
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I found Hey Gail's fencing manual. [x]
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Feb 1, 2017 11:45
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Siivola posted:I found Hey Gail's fencing manual.  quote:However, if your grace will be assaulted on the way home, by a whole group of enemies, then take your rappier with both fists and shoot it at the whole group, and see hereafter where your grace can gain further protection, because need sometimes breaks iron, ere you live, there you give. Hundt is fun.
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Feb 1, 2017 16:53
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Siivola posted:I found Hey Gail's fencing manual. Is this artistic license or actual distance in rapier fencing?
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Feb 1, 2017 17:10
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married but discreet posted:Is this artistic license or actual distance in rapier fencing? I'm not particularly familiar with Hundt's fencing system outside of some of his quirky plates, but in my (mostly Italian) experience, that would be very close. In Capo Ferro's book for instance (1610), even when someone attacks into an attack you don't usually see examples of anyone getting that close unless there has been some sort of seizure of the weapon or hand. For example, both of these plates show strikes that were responses to attacks:  Without a seizure  With a seizure
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Feb 1, 2017 17:33
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italian rapiers are loving huge as heck tho
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Feb 2, 2017 01:26
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How long are the rapiers supposed to be in those plates? They look way longer than 42".
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Feb 2, 2017 12:01
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your friend a dog posted:How long are the rapiers supposed to be in those plates? They look way longer than 42". ed: that hundt manual is cool because most manuals get pretty "perfectly spherical fencer on a frictionless plane", if you know what i mean
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Feb 2, 2017 12:06
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Here's an interesting take on rapier lengths in Capo Ferro: https://bookandsword.com/2015/08/01/how-can-ancient-art-help-us-read-ridolfo-capo-ferro/ It's a bit curious how it ended up being the Spanish who got a reputation for ridiculously long rapiers later in the 17th century. Edit: And 18th century in particular. Here's Girard from 1736 or so: 
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Feb 2, 2017 12:36
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Lake Capo Ferro, Alfieri also recommends a sword that measures from the sole of your foot to your armpit. For me that's a blade around 46". Pretty long.Siivola posted:It's a bit curious how it ended up being the Spanish who got a reputation for ridiculously long rapiers later in the 17th century. I'm pretty sure I've read that the smallsword was embraced more slowly in Spain than elsewhere. Could have something to do with that.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:03
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Yeah, the Spanish and southern Italians were both pretty slow to adopt it. But the thing is, Angelo (an Italian guy writing in 1760s England about the French school) describes Spanish rapiers as being about five feet in length, which is absolutely bonkers even by rapier standards.
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Feb 2, 2017 16:40
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And these are all single handed swords? 
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Feb 2, 2017 22:08
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BirdOfPlay posted:And these are all single handed swords? anyway spanish sword culture is mentally unwell. unfortunately the website i got these from is down so you will just have to imagine them https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529788&userid=191005&perpage=40&pagenumber=12#post461464302
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Feb 2, 2017 22:57
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HEY GAIL posted:edit: pictured, this thread E: Peep these Spanish swords. http://vicentetoledo.es/es/espadas (Click the images.) Siivola fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 23:25
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BirdOfPlay posted:And these are all single handed swords? Why do you think the dudes in Capo Ferro are so ripped?
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Feb 3, 2017 16:38
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Invincible Spleen posted:Why do you think the dudes in Capo Ferro are so ripped? Fair point. I just don't understand why they're so naked. Also, it's Friday which means another high school meet. So glad I got roped into reffing these. On a related note when the gently caress did they last make velcro jackets? VELCRO!
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Feb 3, 2017 22:19
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BirdOfPlay posted:Fair point. I just don't understand why they're so naked. High Renaissance, Mannerism... Really the better question is who wasn't drawn naked and completely ripped.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:26
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dupersaurus posted:High Renaissance, Mannerism... Really the better question is who wasn't drawn naked and completely ripped.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:42
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Also fencers have always been degenerate perverts.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:48
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HEY GAIL posted:in addition to the part where everyone's flaking out over classical antiquity, if you draw the example dudes naked you can study their body movements in a way that you won't be able to if they were wearing normal 17th century clothing I don't know what you're talking about. 
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Feb 3, 2017 23:06
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BirdOfPlay posted:I don't know what you're talking about. Degenerate Pervert spotted
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Feb 6, 2017 19:02
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BirdOfPlay posted:Fair point. I just don't understand why they're so naked. Oh yeah, that reminds me of a few years back when we cleaned out the mysterious bag of poo poo nobody ever used or looked in at the university club. Inside was a bunch of child-sized clothing made of ridiculously thin material that probably wouldn't stop jack poo poo and a couple of thin jackets with only velcro fastenings. I'm not sure who thought it was ever a good idea to make such blatantly unsafe gear. We chucked it all out. There was also an old post-grip foil, which I nabbed to use as a visual/training weapon. The blade is very old (electrics are long since dead) but it's in surprisingly good nick otherwise and doesn't feel like it's near breaking point. Also, the length from the floor to my armpit is a little longer than a standard foil blade, maybe twice the extra reach I'd get from pomelling? Seems reasonable to me, but then again I'm not a tall guy and I can see how poo poo could get ridiculous fast. Makes me wonder where the maximum-range arms race would end up- Oh, right. Of course.
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Crazy Achmed posted:Makes me wonder where the maximum-range arms race would end up- Think it ended up around here: 
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I call bullshit, these are just tiny people.
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Feb 8, 2017 20:09
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Think it ended up around here: Where's Hey Gal? I'd wager the 20' pikes win that game.
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Feb 8, 2017 20:46
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DandyLion posted:Where's Hey Gal? I'd wager the 20' pikes win that game. From what I've heard, the Alexander successor states had a pike length arms race that made it to ~22 feet, but that really anything over 16-17ft placed too much burden on the soldiers to be truly effective (I think Alexander's armies marched with ~16). The stories you hear of phalanxes being unable to maneuver and breaking up over rough terrain are generally talking about this age; phalanxes were actually fairly mobile back when they had spears or shorter pikes.
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Feb 8, 2017 20:58
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dupersaurus posted:From what I've heard, the Alexander successor states had a pike length arms race that made it to ~22 feet, but that really anything over 16-17ft placed too much burden on the soldiers to be truly effective (I think Alexander's armies marched with ~16). The stories you hear of phalanxes being unable to maneuver and breaking up over rough terrain are generally talking about this age; phalanxes were actually fairly mobile back when they had spears or shorter pikes. The issue is not so much the length, its the coordination of the pikemen. Elite pikemen like Alexander's troops and a lot of Hey Gail's guys can do advanced maneuvers like shifting the orientation of the pikes at the drop of a hat. The successor states struggles were largely a problem with the armies not being anywhere nearly as well trained as Alexander's guys. To compensate, they extended the length of the pikes and tried to issue more armor to their soldiers. This worked when they fought each other, but once the Romans got involved, they got outmaneuvered and beaten fairly easily, despite isolated cases of the pikemen repelling intense Roman attacks.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:To compensate, they extended the length of the pikes and tried to issue more armor to their soldiers.
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