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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Gonzo McFee posted:

Cancer is not a migraine.

I fact checked this and you're right: cancer is not a migraine.

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Pissflaps posted:

I fact checked this and you're right: cancer is not a migraine.

Does the NHS know?

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Diane Abbott is a shithead because she didn't vote for brexit.

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Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

I think Abbott is good and most of her detractors are dog whistling like gently caress.

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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

OwlFancier posted:

Diane Abbott is a shithead because she didn't vote for brexit.

She faked a migraine so that she didn't have to choose between quitting her shadow cabinet post and defying Jezza's dumb three line whip on the Article 50 vote, or going against the wishes of 80% of her constituents. She bottled it big time.

Gonzo McFee posted:

I think Abbott is good and most of her detractors are dog whistling like gently caress.

I think she's a gobshite.

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Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

takes 1 2know 1

Edit: Also I don't see how someone seeing Dianne before the vote proves she was lying about a migraine?

# ? Feb 3, 2017 23:05

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

All I'm saying is the Tory party has literally covered up institutional pedophilia in front of everyone's eyes and people still vote for them.

Theresa May actually covered up for the rapists at Yarl's wood and people think she is the best choice to lead the country.

So as detestable as the SWP may or may not be (I really have no loving clue whether they're a cult) the fact that they covered up sexual assault, might make it not be as poisonous electorally to share platforms with them.

i mean that's the reality. the prime minister of the UK actually buried reports of rapes because it would harm the commercial interests of a company and it hasn't held her back one iota.

like it or not that's the reality.

# ? Feb 3, 2017 23:07

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

JFairfax posted:

All I'm saying is the Tory party has literally covered up institutional pedophilia in front of everyone's eyes and people still vote for them.

Theresa May actually covered up for the rapists at Yarl's wood and people think she is the best choice to lead the country.

So as detestable as the SWP may or may not be (I really have no loving clue whether they're a cult) the fact that they covered up sexual assault, might make it not be as poisonous electorally to share platforms with them.

i mean that's the reality. the prime minister of the UK actually buried reports of rapes because it would harm the commercial interests of a company and it hasn't held her back one iota.

like it or not that's the reality.

It's poisonous when the left wing does it because the media doesn't choose not to connect the dots with the left.

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Pissflaps posted:

She faked a migraine so that she didn't have to choose between quitting her shadow cabinet post and defying Jezza's dumb three line whip on the Article 50 vote, or going against the wishes of 80% of her constituents. She bottled it big time.

Even if so, who cares? I don't particularly want her to stop being in the cabinet and I don't particularly want her to vote for brexit. So that's fine?

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Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

The first time I became aware of Diane Abbott (and Jeremy Corbyn, incidentally) was in an A-level politics class (close to 10 years ago now) where we were talking about campaign strategies and messaging, and we were shown a larger version of this poster which I think was from 1987.

(I don't think that's really Ken Livingstone, though, because he doesn't mention Hitler once.)

# ? Feb 3, 2017 23:12

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

OwlFancier posted:

Even if so, who cares? I don't particularly want her to stop being in the cabinet and I don't particularly want her to vote for brexit. So that's fine?

Bit like how it doesn't matter how Labour vote, the Tories have a majority?

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JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Wheat Loaf posted:

The first time I became aware of Diane Abbott (and Jeremy Corbyn, incidentally) was in an A-level politics class (close to 10 years ago now) where we were talking about campaign strategies and messaging, and we were shown a larger version of this poster which I think was from 1987.

(I don't think that's really Ken Livingstone, though, because he doesn't mention Hitler once.)

bloody hell, Mark Lamarr looks young!

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Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Gonzo McFee posted:

I think Abbott is good and most of her detractors are dog whistling like gently caress.

Her ideals are good. She is poo poo in interviews and debates. Keep her away from the press.

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I want Labour to get their amendments passed, I don't think this requires every Labour member to vote for A50 and I think forcing people to do so against their own principle and especially against their constituency representation is silly.

So, I have no issue with people breaking the whip or trying to minimise the consequences for doing so. Unless you really want everyone to vote for A50 you should probably share this position. I suspect you just dislike Abbott, possibly because she's too "urban" and want to be your usual whingeing self.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Feb 3, 2017

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forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

JFairfax posted:

All I'm saying is the Tory party has literally covered up institutional pedophilia in front of everyone's eyes and people still vote for them.

Theresa May actually covered up for the rapists at Yarl's wood and people think she is the best choice to lead the country.

So as detestable as the SWP may or may not be (I really have no loving clue whether they're a cult) the fact that they covered up sexual assault, might make it not be as poisonous electorally to share platforms with them.

i mean that's the reality. the prime minister of the UK actually buried reports of rapes because it would harm the commercial interests of a company and it hasn't held her back one iota.

like it or not that's the reality.

Nobody is suggesting that we should boycott SWP events because it'd be poisonous electorally. We're saying it's because we find it personally distasteful to share a platform with them and it should be avoided.

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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

OwlFancier posted:

I want Labour to get their amendments passed, I don't think this requires every Labour member to vote for A50 and I think forcing people to do so against their own principle and especially against their constituency representation is silly.

So, I have no issue with people breaking the whip or trying to minimise the consequences for doing so. Unless you really want everyone to vote for A50 you should probably share this position. I suspect you just dislike Abbott, possibly because she's too "urban" and want to be your usual whingeing self.

I've already said why I dislike Abbott: she's a gobshite - a gobshite who now commands a high profile in the shadow cabinet so the fact that she's a gobshite matters.

I don't want Labour MPs faking headaches to squirm out of doing the right thing. I wanted the Labour party to oppose Brexit.

Labour has been turned into a joke.

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JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Pissflaps is a racist who hates race mixing, film at 11

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Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Normally if an MP needs a sick note their pair from the other side will sit out the vote voluntarily, so it doesn't matter over all. Kind of breaks the system when the opposition are supporting the government though.

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Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Here's Clive Lewis' contituency speech about Brexit from this evening if anyone's interested:

https://www.facebook.com/labourclivelewis/videos/vb.191335640943251/1266862706723867/?type=2&theater

One thing he did say, that contradicts what has been posted here a couple of times, is that Labour's position on the post-amendment vote has not been decided yet, i.e. it is not true that Labour have already decided to use the whip for that vote.

Oh, and he also confirmed that there had been much agonising about the position taken on article 50, and ultimately it was seen as the only way to defend the constituencies where Labour are 'hanging on by their fingernails' to UKIP.

Prince John fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Feb 4, 2017

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serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

Question for the gallery, if you know a case number of a court case that's being heard and the name of the defendant, is there any way to find out the charges?

A colleague has been called away for jury duty and of course I have to try and work out what case they're on, and I think i've guessed the right person in the dock.

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jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Prince John posted:

it was seen as the only way to defend the constituencies where Labour are 'hanging on by their fingernails' to UKIP.

You Cannot Beat UKIP By Playing Their Game

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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Prince John posted:

One thing he did say, that contradicts what has been posted here a couple of times, is that Labour's position on the post-amendment vote has not been decided yet, i.e. it is not true that Labour have already decided to use the whip for that vote.

mfcrocker posted:

John McDonnell stated on Today that the most Labour will do to oppose this bill at third reading under any circumstances is abstain.

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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

I thought UKIP weren't supposed to be a threat to Labour?

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learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Biggest threat to labour is that they have a leader who looks like he couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

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Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Pissflaps posted:

I thought UKIP weren't supposed to be a threat to Labour?

Given Clive said the argument was made to him that breaking the whip would be letting Paul Nuttall in to Westminster, I'd say that's not a view shared at the top of the Labour party.

serious gaylord posted:

Question for the gallery, if you know a case number of a court case that's being heard and the name of the defendant, is there any way to find out the charges?

A colleague has been called away for jury duty and of course I have to try and work out what case they're on, and I think i've guessed the right person in the dock.

No expert, but I can tell you that my local magistrates' court only published the cases in paper form on a noticeboard the day before.

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jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Prince John posted:

Given Clive said the argument was made to him that breaking the whip would be letting Paul Nuttall in to Westminster, I'd say that's not a view shared at the top of the Labour party.

UKIP have the leader of Labour and one of the crucial shadow cabinet ministers Diane Abbott (who also totally loving bottled the Leave vote) on tape saying that immigration is totally sustainable. Some fuckin nobody councillor they bussed in for Newcastle-under-Lyme who was very against Brexit on twitter is not going to make the people who voted Leave there sympathetic to the Labour cause, and nor should the election of any 1 specific MP jeopardise the future of the Labour movement in all the places the people didn't vote for Brexit for gently caress's sakes.

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Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

jBrereton posted:

UKIP have the leader of Labour and one of the crucial shadow cabinet ministers Diane Abbott (who also totally loving bottled the Leave vote) on tape saying that immigration is totally sustainable. Some fuckin nobody councillor they bussed in for Newcastle-under-Lyme who was very against Brexit on twitter is not going to make the people who voted Leave there sympathetic to the Labour cause, and nor should the election of any 1 specific MP jeopardise the future of the Labour movement in all the places the people didn't vote for Brexit for gently caress's sakes.

The bolded bit makes it sound like you're saying Labour are choosing a minority over a majority, but 75% of their constituencies voted to Leave. An overwhelming majority of Labour MPs have a constituency that wants some kind of Brexit. Their members hold different views on Europe on average, but they're not going to run off and vote UKIP at the next election. I can understand why the party is making GBS threads themselves about UKIP.

I agree with you that it probably won't be an effective strategy, but I doubt turning 75% of your constituencies against you is a better one. They're between a total rock and a hard place.

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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

I think It's just that Corbyn is pro Brexit.

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spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

forkboy84 posted:

Nobody is suggesting that we should boycott SWP events because it'd be poisonous electorally. We're saying it's because we find it personally distasteful to share a platform with them and it should be avoided.

Yeah, gently caress, this isn't a nuanced tactical issue, this is a "do you want to be buddies with people who will lie and cheat to help rapists escape justice" issue, and the answer from everyone should be "No".

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

spectralent posted:

Yeah, gently caress, this isn't a nuanced tactical issue, this is a "do you want to be buddies with people who will lie and cheat to help rapists escape justice" issue, and the answer from everyone should be "No".

Wow sounds like you want the political left to be anti-rape. Why do you want to lose elections?

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spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

jBrereton posted:

UKIP have the leader of Labour and one of the crucial shadow cabinet ministers Diane Abbott (who also totally loving bottled the Leave vote) on tape saying that immigration is totally sustainable. Some fuckin nobody councillor they bussed in for Newcastle-under-Lyme who was very against Brexit on twitter is not going to make the people who voted Leave there sympathetic to the Labour cause, and nor should the election of any 1 specific MP jeopardise the future of the Labour movement in all the places the people didn't vote for Brexit for gently caress's sakes.

Again the problem is that they are, objectively, correct. The people who are wrong are UKIP. They (or at least the people with some degree of smarts like Farage) presumably know this and are just chancers who saw an opening, but most people believe factually incorrect things like "we pay more to foreign development than we do to pensioners" or "a third of the country is migrants". They're looking at things the tories have done, or the neoliberal expansion of the power of big business, and, falsely, attributing it to immigration. Someone at some point needs to say they're wrong. Where does that happen?

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Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

I did once find a pretty good effortpost on a pretty unlikely discussion forum that summarises why the SWP is awful and best avoided fairly well.

quote:

OK, time for that big ol� SWP post. And boy, it is big.

First, let�s have some background. This is not the first time a scandal like this has hit a Trotskyite party. The predecessors of the Socialist Workers� Party, the Workers� Revolutionary Party, were effectively destroyed in 1985 when their leader and founder, Gerry Healy, was exposed as a serial rapist who�d abused his position to exploit over two dozen young, female recruits. Worse, the other WRP bigwigs had been covering for him, and some continued to do so after he was outed � most notoriously, Corin Redgrave of the Central Committee was asked whether he believed Healy was a rapist and replied by listing off the dude�s achievements and concluded with (I poo poo you not here) �If this is the work of a rapist, let�s hire more rapists.�

Another big scandal hit the American Socialist Workers� Party (same structure, same ideology, no relation) in 1988, when its rapid transformation into a paranoid, insular cult via a string of purges was interrupted by the arrest of one Mark Curtis. Curtis, a mid-ranking SWP member, was convicted of sexually assaulting a fifteen-year-old black girl in her own home. Her eleven-year-old brother had spotted him and called the cops, who literally caught him with his pants down. The SWP reacted to this in the most sensible, reasonable manner possible � by calling it a government conspiracy and mounting an enormous campaign for his release (before surreptitiously terminating his membership). So yeah, Trotskyite parties have a bit of a systematic problem with transparency, accountability, and teenagers getting raped.

Second, a bit of context on the SWP as an organisation. Long story short, it�s a hideously disorganised mess that can be (and has been) abused to hell and back. They have a �parliament�, the fifty-member National Committee, and a �cabinet�, the Central Committee, which consists of their most senior officers (in rank, not necessarily age), and currently has about eleven members. The National Committee meets every year, and theoretically supersedes the Central Committee, which handles the day-to-day running (or, more accurately, lumbering) of the party.

In practice, though, the Central Committee rules the party with an iron fist, presenting an eerily unified front even whilst they�re having screaming rows with each other behind closed doors (which apparently happens a lot). The other important bit is the Disputes Committee, a loose agglomeration of enforcers who deal with professional ethics within the party, have members of the Central Committee sent to join them when they�re adjudicating something serious. Everything else is a shapeless morass of temporary committees and tribal cliques who all hate each other�s guts.

Into this poisonous, volatile environment, the Comrade Delta incident was dropped like a hand grenade in a petrol tank.

The SWP membership first found out about this case in 2011, when they were told that a member of the Central Committee, called �Comrade Delta� to preserve his privacy, had broken up with the woman he was having an affair with (another SWP member named �Comrade W�) and had got into trouble for harassing her afterwards. They were assured that the Disputes Committee � which is, as I mentioned, an extension of the Central Committee Delta belonged to � would deal with this, and then the allegations were quietly glossed over as Delta gave a speech about the virtues of the SWP to carefully-choreographed rapturous applause.

There were a few problems with this. First, �Comrade W� had actually been seventeen years old when the fifty-year-old Delta started a relationship with her. Second, he hadn�t broken up with and stalked her two years later, he had raped her. Third, he wasn�t just a Central Committee member � he was Martin Smith, national secretary of the SWP.

Smith had a chequered history even before this incident. He had been arrested several times on antifascist marches, including for one incident of assaulting a police officer � though to be perfectly fair, the usual relationship between the police and left-wing protesters means that it�s unclear whether that assault was him being as thuggish in other fields as he reportedly is in the bedroom, or whether it was him recklessly and irresponsibly stopping a truncheon with his skull. More damningly, he had brought a lot of bad press to the party through his friendship with the rabidly anti-Semitic jazz musician Gilad Atzmon, which required him to break ties after a few years when the party started haemorrhaging money and members.

After the true extent of the allegations against Smith came to light, Atzmon ranted that it had all been a Jewish conspiracy to unseat the national secretary because of his love for jazz music. Bizarrely enough, this actually had some tenuous connection to reality. Several members of the Central Committee, including Smith, are big fans of jazz, to the point where failing to attend one of their scheduled jazz events, regardless of your musical tastes, will get you cautioned for disloyalty, which has had a predictable effect on party morale. Not only that, but getting rid of dissidents by expelling them on sexual harassment charges was actually a tactic taught to SWP organisers for a while (though it should be pointed out here that it was used by the party elite on low-level peons who dared to question their rightful rulers, and never the other way around).

As one might assume, the Disputes Committee �trial� was a farce. Even ignoring the patent ridiculousness of trusting the adjudication of a crime as serious as rape to a team of ideologically-attuned amateurs who only had the power to expel people from the party at most, the DC hearing was held, in its majority, by friends and co-workers of Smith. The age gap was dismissed as not being a concern, and the national secretary was cleared of all charges. He ate a demotion, and was told to lay low for a bit before his triumphant return to party politics, but that was it. Unlike her rapist, Comrade W was refused a chance to speak in public and give her side of the story.

Of course, you know how rape charges tend to encourage other victims to come forward? That�s what happened here. �Comrade X�, another SWP member, reported that she had also been raped by Smith. This evidence was withheld from the W trial despite coming out at the same time, X was asked some very insulting questions by the DC (�you like a bit to drink, right?�), and then she lost her job with the party. Other women also came forward with tales of harassment and abuse. They were all ignored.

Doubters were reassured that the DC knew what they were doing � they had handled nine rape cases previously. This did not reassure anyone, especially after it was revealed that [url=http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/09/socialist-workers-party-rape-kangaroo-court a district organiser had beaten and raped a subordinate[/url] a short time after the Smith trial. The DC had given him a two-year suspension from the party as punishment, the same that had been given to the �Facebook Four� who had dared to criticise the party�s handling of the Smith case on the Internet. In contrast, one member had been expelled for life for suggesting the party set up a cultural magazine.

The consequence was open civil war. An attempt to reform the party at a special conference was only narrowly outvoted in a format that almost inevitably turns out unanimous decisions one way or the other despite every dirty trick the Central Committee tried to pull, including wheeling along the elderly wife of the party�s founder to a private faction meeting and explaining to her that the big bad rebels wouldn�t let her in.

Every seething resentment against the CC and DC bubbled up at once, from financial mismanagement to bullying to [url=http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/sexism-and-abuse-of-power-in-swp.html yet more incidents of sexual abuse[/url], and mass resignations swiftly followed, resulting in the party losing a fifth of its two thousand members (perhaps a larger fraction, given the SWP�s habit of inflating its numbers) and three of the eleven CC officers. The CC�s complete failure to engage with or understand the Internet was a particular problem � every website they told members not to visit immediately encountered a massive traffic spike, and their desperate attempts to preserve their beloved secrecy (particularly in regards to Comrade Delta�s real name) were worse than useless.

Eventually, Smith resigned properly, and the DC agreed to hear Comrade X�s case, but the general consensus was that it was like rubbing disinfectant on a missing head. The damage had been done, and the reputation of them and their party had been irrevocably tainted.

Rape, cronyism, and party-mandated jazz. Welcome to the wonderful world of Trotskyite Communism.

It's not just the rape thing. The political environment of the SWP is directly antithetical to leftist goals, and the rapes are just a symptom of that.

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Feb 4, 2017

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TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Darth Walrus posted:

I did once find a pretty good effortpost on a pretty unlikely discussion forum that summarises why the SNP is awful and best avoided fairly well.

Are you letting jedit use your account?

# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:01

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Darth Walrus posted:

I did once find a pretty good effortpost on a pretty unlikely discussion forum that summarises why the SNP is awful and best avoided fairly well.

The SWP is indeed awful. The SNP is aggressively middlin.

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TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Darth Walrus posted:

I did once find a pretty good effortpost on a pretty unlikely discussion forum that summarises why the SNP is awful and best avoided fairly well.

Lol

# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:02

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Wheat Loaf posted:

The first time I became aware of Diane Abbott (and Jeremy Corbyn, incidentally) was in an A-level politics class (close to 10 years ago now) where we were talking about campaign strategies and messaging, and we were shown a larger version of this poster which I think was from 1987.

(I don't think that's really Ken Livingstone, though, because he doesn't mention Hitler once.)

I agree with everything on that poster and would have voted Labour.

# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:02

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

spectralent posted:

Again the problem is that they are, objectively, correct. The people who are wrong are UKIP. They (or at least the people with some degree of smarts like Farage) presumably know this and are just chancers who saw an opening, but most people believe factually incorrect things like "we pay more to foreign development than we do to pensioners" or "a third of the country is migrants". They're looking at things the tories have done, or the neoliberal expansion of the power of big business, and, falsely, attributing it to immigration. Someone at some point needs to say they're wrong. Where does that happen?

Hasn't happened in the last fifteen years, including under Corbyn. Maybe the next party leader will give it a shot with their 70 MPs.

# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:02

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

TheRat posted:

Lol

Bloody autocorrect.

# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:04

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Relatedly:

Someone (probably some journo?) said that Labour lost the election "for failing to address immigration". I hardly remember that; I remember the racist mug, and I remember the Ed Stone also crowing about it. Hell, Labour was coming out of being a government where the prime minister had stood up and proudly said that "asylum claims have fallen in Britain faster than anywhere else in Europe", and then said they wanted to make claiming asylum harder. Not even migration! Asylum seekers. The thing is, though, people didn't care about that; every sacrifice to the racist right was just another juicy sliver until they can get the whole juicy buffet of festung brittania and work camps. Nobody went "Oh, well, we clamped down on people fleeing public execution for being gay, job done", they went "gently caress me the bananas aren't bendy enough, now we need to take it out on the polish". This doesn't end until someone fights it. We can't just keep appeasing racism. Though it's possible it's too late and only a hard reset's going to clear that now.

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spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

jBrereton posted:

Hasn't happened in the last fifteen years, including under Corbyn. Maybe the next party leader will give it a shot with their 70 MPs.

What's your solution? Seriously, come at me here. We lose if we say racism isn't part of the solution, okay, cool. What's the fix? Show me the game plan.

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