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Brother Entropy posted:okay you're selling me on star saber pretty hard here He also has two of the best TF toys in the history of the franchise.
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The MSJ posted:In the recent IDW comics, Star Saber is a genocidal religious zealot But enough about Movie Optimus Prime.
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Don't forget to vote! Official synopsis: quote:The Last Knight shatters the core myths of the Transformers franchise, and redefines what it means to be a hero. Humans and Transformers are at war, Optimus Prime is gone. The key to saving our future lies buried in the secrets of the past, in the hidden history of Transformers on Earth. Saving our world falls upon the shoulders of an unlikely alliance: Cade Yeager (Mark Wahlberg); Bumblebee; an English Lord (Sir Anthony Hopkins); and an Oxford Professor (Laura Haddock). And a word from Bay himself: quote:I’ve been living in this franchise for over 10 years now. For Transformers: The Last Knight, we put together a writers’ room designed to greatly expand our mythology, integrating our films in a whole new way. Every movie will interlink.
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Feb 3, 2017 06:14
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"My Maker, I do." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmypHcziejs
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Feb 3, 2017 16:01
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The MSJ posted:"My Maker, I do." This is gonna be tight.
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Feb 3, 2017 16:03
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Makes me wonder if Prime's apparent Maker-fuelled murder binge has any relation to Lockdown's words about how the creators wanted to "wipe the board clean".
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I'm genuinely curious about how this movie will handle all the bizarre loose ends and beautifully schizoid thematics left by past Bayhem.
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I'm genuinely concerned about honouring the memory of Oreo-bot
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General Battuta posted:I'm genuinely curious about how this movie will handle all the bizarre loose ends and beautifully schizoid thematics left by past Bayhem. Part of me hopes it keeps up the grand tradition of just going with a new idea that doesn't quite work with anything that came before it, making everything increasingly byzantine.
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Milky Moor posted:Part of me hopes it keeps up the grand tradition of just going with a new idea that doesn't quite work with anything that came before it, making everything increasingly byzantine. At this point the sheer insanity of it all is almost better than any coherent story they could make out of it.
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Feb 4, 2017 01:09
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"We're really looking to the lore this time" is this series version of the DCU's "This one's going to be a lot more fun"
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I'm dreaming of a movie that ends with a triumphant Megatron shaking hands with an uncertain Bumblebee over the faceless corpse of Optimus Prime. please, please give me what I want Michael Bay.
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I recently rewatched Transformers with my CineD Goonvision goggles on. I really didn't see the Optimus = evil and Megatron = good thing. They are both violent as gently caress but so are all the Robomen. Two lines kinda stuck out to me. Optimus says " we don't hurt humans" and Megatron straight up says "humans don't deserve to live." I don't think we see any Autobots kill any humans but I could be wrong. Megatron for sure kills humans while calling them disgusting. I'll give it another watch sometime and try to catch on.
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UmOk posted:I recently rewatched Transformers with my CineD Goonvision goggles on. I really didn't see the Optimus = evil and Megatron = good thing. They are both violent as gently caress but so are all the Robomen. The humans spent their time vivisecting Megatron and using his components to bootstrap their technological advancements, and had been doing so since his discovery in the ice. Megatron's attitude is pretty understandable! TF1's Optimus is probably as close to G1 Optimus as the series ever is. But he gets darker and weirder and more shady as the series goes on. Even in TF1, though, it's clear that Optimus isn't telling the whole truth.
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poo poo gets weird in revenge of the fallen and gets weirder and weirder. Tf1 is kind of a weird movie on its own in a "who writing this thought this was a good movie", it was clear the writing team was trying but the writing was below Star Wars prequel tier, like "WERE YOU MASTURBATING IN THERE?"
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UmOk posted:Megatron for sure kills humans while calling them disgusting. If I remember correctly, the human Megatron flicks / kills whole saying that is Michael Bay himself.
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the most interesting optimus scene in tf1 is the 'freedom is the right of all sentient beings' line drop coming right after he convinced the other autobots that they've got to leave bumblebee imprisoned by the u.s. government because the cube is more important and bumblebee would understand
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:If I remember correctly, the human Megatron flicks / kills whole saying that is Michael Bay himself. It is. Brother Entropy posted:the most interesting optimus scene in tf1 is the 'freedom is the right of all sentient beings' line drop coming right after he convinced the other autobots that they've got to leave bumblebee imprisoned by the u.s. government because the cube is more important and bumblebee would understand It's definitely up there. His motivation for the All Spark going into his chest is pretty interesting, too, given how unhappy he is at the end when it seems to do nothing except kill Megatron.
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UmOk posted:I recently rewatched Transformers with my CineD Goonvision goggles on. I really didn't see the Optimus = evil and Megatron = good thing. They are both violent as gently caress but so are all the Robomen. Just to clarify: "Megatron = good / Optimus = bad" is the reductive meme version. The CineD Goonvision proper is that everything that occurs is the externalization of Shia LaBeouf's aspirational class fantasy, rooted not in the rejection of the materialist chauvinism of his high school rivals, but in an acceleration of it to hyperreal extremes.
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He turns the tables not by being smart or charming or brave, but by acquiring a super nice car, that is friends with other super nice cars. The best indicator of what Bay is doing is how Ratchet, once an ambulance, and Ironhide, once a van, are now a Humvee and a high end, oversized SUV respectively, the two symbols of American consumerism and toxic masculinity.
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Exactly. The direct implication is that Megatron is the stand-in for Megan Fox's father.
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K. Waste posted:Exactly. The direct implication is that Megatron is the stand-in for Megan Fox's father. I thought the direct implication was that the Autobots were a ruling class, especially since the decepticons are overwhelmingly working vehicles. The one exception is Starscream, who i figure was an aristocrat who changed sides.
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Snowman_McK posted:I thought the direct implication was that the Autobots were a ruling class, especially since the decepticons are overwhelmingly working vehicles. The one exception is Starscream, who i figure was an aristocrat who changed sides. well it's both, remember that megan fox's father worked a blue-collar job and iirc was an ex-con
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Snowman_McK posted:I thought the direct implication was that the Autobots were a ruling class, especially since the decepticons are overwhelmingly working vehicles. The one exception is Starscream, who i figure was an aristocrat who changed sides. This is also the way it is in the IDW comics. Megatron was a miner who championed those oppressed by the Cybertronian government and became a militant after he was beaten up in prison.
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Milky Moor posted:The humans spent their time vivisecting Megatron and using his components to bootstrap their technological advancements, and had been doing so since his discovery in the ice. Megatron's attitude is pretty understandable! That doesn't seem right. Like, maybe Hitler got his rear end kicked by some Jewish dudes when they were kids. Would that make his opinion that Jews don't deserve to live understandable?
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Snowman_McK posted:I thought the direct implication was that the Autobots were a ruling class, especially since the decepticons are overwhelmingly working vehicles. The one exception is Starscream, who i figure was an aristocrat who changed sides. I'm not contradicting this. I just mean that it's Sam who lives in the palace, whereas Mikaela is working-poor. Megatron's reveal and Bumblebee's abjection coincides, dramatically, with Simmons' reveal that her father is a former car thief on parole. In short succession, the extension of Sam's masculinity is castrated, and this megalomaniacal embodiment of the 'unrepentant criminal' breaks free. Thematically, where UmOk is getting hung up is in appreciating Megatron as 'a good guy' restricted by his perception of him as the nightmare of Sam's forefathers. That Megatron wants to 'liberate' the machines, to bring an end to commodity, to meet needs rather than reward privilege, and that he's willing to engage in violent force to do so, is the most horrific thing. The natural kin of this scenario is, clearly, The Fast & the Furious franchise. Except whereas that film was a romance in which Brian ultimately learns to sympathize with the unrepentant criminal Dom, Sam never has to 'engage' with Mikaela's family, or her friends, or really anything about her except as a phallus to be possessed. As with the 'current events' assignment which he bullshits with artifacts of his past, the past and privilege once again spontaneously form an edifice which shields Sam from the horrific gnosis that the entire American experiment is a 'jacking.'
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UmOk posted:That doesn't seem right. Like, maybe Hitler got his rear end kicked by some Jewish dudes when they were kids. Would that make his opinion that Jews don't deserve to live understandable? Except this was torture that lasted for decades. I mean, John McCain has said some real nasty poo poo about the Vietnamese in the past, most people find that understandable.
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UmOk posted:That doesn't seem right. Like, maybe Hitler got his rear end kicked by some Jewish dudes when they were kids. Would that make his opinion that Jews don't deserve to live understandable? That's not really the same? If the Jewish dudes held Hitler down, immobile but conscious, and cut pieces out of him to advance their understanding of fantastic bio-technologies, and referred to him as NJG-1 (Non-Jewish Guy-1), for literally decades, then maybe it'd work. Note: I said understandable. I didn't say moral or right.
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Milky Moor posted:That's not really the same? If the Jewish dudes held Hitler down, immobile but conscious, and cut pieces out of him to advance their understanding of fantastic bio-technologies, and referred to him as NJG-1 (Non-Jewish Guy-1), for literally decades, then maybe it'd work. I guess I missed something. Did they know he was alive? And did he say he was conscious?
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UmOk posted:I guess I missed something. Did they know he was alive? And did he say he was conscious? They knew they had to keep him frozen which implies something happened when they let him get warm at least once. And the fact that Megatron's first words after regaining his mobility are "I AM MEGATRON" after years of being called NBE-1 seems to indicate he was aware on some level.
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I'm going to be REAL salty if humans kill Grimlock. I'll accept another Transformer killing him but be super pissy if he gets taken down by humans.The king of the dinobots doesn't go down to chump squishes.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:I'm going to be REAL salty if humans kill Grimlock. And Grimlock apparently have kids in this movie too!
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The MSJ posted:And Grimlock apparently have kids in this movie too! Well, in that case... I'll take 'all killed by humans for six hundred', thanks, Alex.
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UmOk posted:I recently rewatched Transformers with my CineD Goonvision goggles on. I really didn't see the Optimus = evil and Megatron = good thing. They are both violent as gently caress but so are all the Robomen. Transformers is the first film in Megatron's arc, where he is 'just' a totalitarian. The point is absolutely that he is equally bad as Optimus, but worse at marketing himself. To be clear: Megatron is not a true good guy until partways through Episode 3, though he remains the underdog throughout the series.
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I hope to see where they're going with this Metal Gear-looking robot Earth fielding a resistance against TF occupants gives me hope that this movie won't wimp out where Rogue One did.
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well why not posted:Earth fielding a resistance against TF occupants gives me hope that this movie won't wimp out where Rogue One did.
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T5 will be a direct remake of Bay Does Benghazi with the (good) humans as the terrorists and the (bad) Transformers as the soldiers.
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well why not posted:Could've used more Rebels-as-mujahdeen scenes.
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