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Al! posted:correct me if im wrong, but it doesn't seem like it's antifa's responsibility or interest to put forth positive demands or a credible strategic vision? antifa isn't an attempt to reconstitute a new government under its own banner, it's an implicit threat of violence in the streets if things continue to proceed down their current path Fair enough. That said, antifa's still not exempt from the need to think strategically, as hard as it might be to imagine something so diffuse and visceral doing so. It also doesn't mean antifa has to be canonized as the natural, necessary, default expression of political violence, or as the most effective.
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Thug Lessons posted:Fair enough. That said, antifa's still not exempt from the need to think strategically, as hard as it might be to imagine something so diffuse and visceral doing so. It also doesn't mean antifa has to be canonized as the natural, necessary, default expression of political violence, or as the most effective. I think its bullshit the government has a monopoly on political violence. That being said I also dont think beating the utter poo poo out of a nazi the most ideal route. tell them to shut the gently caress up, then maybe punch em in the mouth once so they talk funny the rest of the day. Repeat a la groundhog day.
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Does anyone have these reliable sources? Because I was looking into and it seems to stem from this: http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/UC-warns-campus-group-Yiannopoulos-event-could-10901517.php#photo-12269712 Essentially, shortly before the Berkeley speech Milo announced an initiative targeting sanctuary campuses, UCB included, and called for the resignation of their top level staff for failing to target immigrants. He didn't say anything about outing students, at least as far as I can see, but at a previous event he had called out a student at the college by name. Not for being an immigrant, but for identifying as genderqueer or genderfluid or one of those. So some people put two and two together and started suggesting that he might attempt to out undocumented students at UCB. I can't really say definitively he didn't plan that, but that seems like fairly tenuous logical train to me and if there's hard evidence I'd like to see it.
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Bud K ninja sword posted:I think its bullshit the government has a monopoly on political violence. That being said I also dont think beating the utter poo poo out of a nazi the most ideal route. tell them to shut the gently caress up, then maybe punch em in the mouth once so they talk funny the rest of the day. Repeat a la groundhog day. I mean, isnt that what theyre doing? I mean it does not seem like there have been any serious injuries so far but also im not sure it functions as a concept if the threat was dont worry, only reasonable violence here ok???
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Thug Lessons posted:Does anyone have these reliable sources? Because I was looking into and it seems to stem from this: the problem being with these race superiority speakers is not necessarily anything they themselves do honestly. Its the environment that it creates, and the people that genuinely go to these events. people who are just curious get shepherded in by old pros who create a self actualizing group of acceptance that for an angry or malcontent kid puts them in a vulnerable position, hell any activist loves the passion of the young firebrands but that problem is it can be swiftly pointed in a direction and when given validation or adoration is like weaponized egopumping if that makes any sense. and its self perpetuating. and thats just as an asides from any legit things milo "dangerous" starfucker may have actually done. more of an observation about racist scum i have known. Al! posted:I mean, isnt that what theyre doing? I mean it does not seem like there have been any serious injuries so far but also im not sure it functions as a concept if the threat was dont worry, only reasonable violence here ok??? Thats what i figured but with the pearl-clutching the left is doing around it i legit hope it stays at misdemeanor assault level. whatever heres my fine. I dont know if they all are on that same memo page though.
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Bud K ninja sword posted:Thats what i figured but with the pearl-clutching the left is doing around it i legit hope it stays at misdemeanor assault level. whatever heres my fine. I dont know if they all are on that same memo page though. please respect ideological pronouns 
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Bud K ninja sword posted:I think its bullshit the government has a monopoly on political violence. That being said I also dont think beating the utter poo poo out of a nazi the most ideal route. tell them to shut the gently caress up, then maybe punch em in the mouth once so they talk funny the rest of the day. Repeat a la groundhog day. States will always hold a monopoly on the legitimate use of political violence, but they haven't held a de facto monopoly in the West since 2001. The problem is the only credible challengers are Islamist and other right-wing terrorists.
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Bud K ninja sword posted:I never thought of antifas as a movement so much as an individual statement of purpose, and an individual choice what behavior i can and will tolerate. I never thought of it as any big group movement and honestly political organizations trying to improve things shouldnt worry about milo starfucker one iota. Bingo it's this Antifa is not an organization, it's not even really a movement
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Bingo it's this 50 blessings.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:liberals, thank you i hate naming clubs i just have cool people and lovely people. most people have both poo poo to teach and poo poo to learn. hell im not left enough for the left, but the right thinks im left as gently caress so whatever. Sorry aint learning 58 gender pronouns on the other hand i dont care who you gently caress because it really isnt any of my drat business.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:imo antifa would get some real mileage if they sprayed a circle with three horizontal lines across it and wore animal masks during their excursions Animal masks would be way more fun than all black
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Bud K ninja sword posted:only thing dangerous about that guy is the frightening levels of hair frost Well, unless you're a trans student at one of the universities he visits. paranoid randroid posted:I think around about the point where you start singling out private citizens and members of the student body for harassment is when it stops being protected speech that the university should be paying for Yes, this is obvious to everyone who isn't an enormous idiot, which is why the only people who seem to defend him are college Republicans and internet garbagedicks.
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wizard on a water slide posted:Well, unless you're a trans student at one of the universities he visits. true. i apologize if that seemed flippant
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:that poor Starbucks! More so, "those poor middle to lower class employees at that business whose lives just got hosed with for daring to have a job near UC Berkley." I can see how falling back onto the "gently caress you, got mine" attitude is the way to go for some folks though. #FuckTheWorkingClass amirite? Mekchu has issued a correction as of 07:02 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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I can agree that smashing a starbucks doesn't really do anything. I mean I'm not a fan of their coffee, but it's not that bad. It's a nasty little habit they've gotten into. But I don't run the show, so can't make them stop, and I'm not going to condemn them outright, because they're too useful to have around. It'll be good to have passionate people when the pepe brigade starts marching in the streets lynching muslims, which consisting how things have gone so far, should be occurring in about a couple of months.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I can see how falling back onto the "gently caress you, got mine" attitude is the way to go for some folks though. #FuckTheWorkingClass amirite? I'm a politician. What did you expect?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Profit margins at Starbucks are too low to survive some broken glass. But they were ONE DAY FROM RETIREMENT! Now their life's work is RUINED, they'll never work a lovely part time job at a collage coffee shop again.
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cargo cult posted:spencer is going to be beaten within an inch of his life if he shows up in berkeley right? thats how that works? plz say yes Honestly... Spencer will most likely get out without much damage but some college Republican or 4chan dorks will get beaten within inches of their lives.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/827769927998271490 https://twitter.com/AnaKasparian/status/827283554711134217 https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/827273878871240704
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lol But I don't buy it. Pretty much every anarchist I've seen love these guys. If they're right-wing infiltrators it sounds like plenty of leftists would be happy to take their place (if talk -> action at least). Also, Milo's book is #1 on Amazon right now.
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Democrat View: Using Predator Drones to shoot Hellfire missiles at children is good, giving nazi's bloody noses is bad.
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Ace of Baes posted:I went to an antifa meeting a while back, it was communists, anarchists, socialists, trots, and a few liberals. can't believe you if a single primitivist wasn't there yelling about Tesla
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cargo cult posted:spencer is going to be beaten within an inch of his life if he shows up in berkeley right? thats how that works? plz say yes i dunno, is there some reason the place won't be flooded with cops to ensure 'free speech' is protected given how obvious the coming clash would be
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's safe to assume that black bloc are all cops, but I support their actions anyway. eh.. usually cops get a poo poo ton of flac about property damage http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/02/02/police-tactics-during-violent-uc-berkeley-protest-questioned/ Milo played the fool, talking poo poo with Don and Spencer And the fascists from Mars. He talked poo poo second hand But took it too far Became the special man, then they were Milo's band Now milo really whined, screwed up brain and frosted hairdo Like some dork from GQ, he could piss 'em by smiling He could leave 'em to hang 'Came on so cliche man, not hung and albino tan So where were the facists, while the folks tried to break our face With just the police lights to guide us So we bitched about the liberals who punched spencers ear TehRedWheelbarrow has issued a correction as of 14:18 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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