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The Celtics have won six in a row and Isaiah's had 37, 41, 44 and 38 in his last four games. This is as good as it gets for me and I'm just going to enjoy it until the inevitable crashDexo posted:The coward James Harden realizing that the Rockets had no chance of winning when the Hero MCW was still in the game. That was my impression.
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Cool Buff Man posted:The Celtics have won six in a row and Isaiah's had 37, 41, 44 and 38 in his last four games. This is as good as it gets for me and I'm just going to enjoy it until the inevitable crash Isaiah as been insane this season. He looks like a new player compared to last year. It really is amazing to watch, he used to be gassed every 4th quarter of every game.
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Feb 4, 2017 14:45
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straight up brolic posted:Props to Dokmo for posting that Marc Gasol deferred rebounding thing, because now I see it in the world all around me. Thunder are doing the same poo poo with Russ. Yeah I really dont know what to think about raw individual rebounding stats anymore.
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Feb 4, 2017 14:54
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When Yogi destroys you, you don't get to play in the All Star game, Portland backcourt.
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Jokic got his first triple double last night because Malone lifted his minutes limit. His reaction: "I hugged him, I was naked and I hugged him," Jokic said.
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straight up brolic posted:Props to Dokmo for posting that Marc Gasol deferred rebounding thing, because now I see it in the world all around me. Thunder are doing the same poo poo with Russ. RWB plays really bad defense to cheat for rebounds Statistically Analysis: Russell Westbrook's rebounding numbers are the result of extreme statpadding(OC) (self.nba) quote:Westbrook has contested a grand total of 160 FG's on the ENTIRE SEASON.
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attackmole posted:Wait a sec I was just cruising some box scores, Yogisanity is still going?
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Can Definitely Williams hit an outside shot nowadays? God I love my phone's auto correct...
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Hilariously, the Mavericks are now 2 games out of the playoffs after that disaster of a start. The Western 8 seed sure is something
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Tae posted:Hilariously, the Mavericks are now 2 games out of the playoffs after that disaster of a start. Something awful.
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Dexo posted:Can Definitely Williams hit an outside shot nowadays? "Definitely" is a good basketball nickname.
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Say what you will about Manu but he never tried to get a piggy back ride Unless he totally did and there's totally video of it someone is about to post
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ragle posted:RWB plays really bad defense to cheat for rebounds
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https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/827705405832826880
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straight up brolic posted:no offense but that post is loving terrible. read's like a coach nick style hit piece. It is probably a scheme thing and calculated gamble by the coaching staff that the FG% difference for the PG on contest/no contest isn't worth as much as Russ in transition and better rebounding is. OKC is 6th in DRB% and 3rd in layups. Russ had the most transition possessions and the 17th best efficiency in transition last season. They also have a terrible half court offense. I have no doubt that it is a scheme endorsed by the coaching staff, but the question is whether it is good strategy or not. I suspect the bolded is a poor gamble.
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straight up brolic posted:no offense but that post is loving terrible. read's like a coach nick style hit piece. It is probably a scheme thing and calculated gamble by the coaching staff that the FG% difference for the PG on contest/no contest isn't worth as much as Russ in transition and better rebounding is. OKC is 6th in DRB% and 3rd in layups. Russ had the most transition possessions and the 17th best efficiency in transition last season. They also have a terrible half court offense. I think the problem with this is that there's some debate on whether or not Russ getting free rebounds is actually leading to better team rebounding. It certainly can lead to better transition opportunities by getting him the ball as early in the possession as possible, but if he's getting these boards because Adams and Kanter are clearing out for him instead of grabbing it themselves, then that doesn't necessarily make their rebounding better, and may even make it worse. 6th in DRB% is good, but with guys like Adams and Kanter, this would be a good rebounding team regardless of whether or not their PG grabs 10 a game or not.
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The B_36 posted:I think the problem with this is that there's some debate on whether or not Russ getting free rebounds is actually leading to better team rebounding. It certainly can lead to better transition opportunities by getting him the ball as early in the possession as possible, but if he's getting these boards because Adams and Kanter are clearing out for him instead of grabbing it themselves, then that doesn't necessarily make their rebounding better, and may even make it worse. 6th in DRB% is good, but with guys like Adams and Kanter, this would be a good rebounding team regardless of whether or not their PG grabs 10 a game or not.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQq3lmMUBM The Highlights of the Blazers going under the screen and still doing it after the 4th 3 pointer
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Feb 4, 2017 18:19
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Tae posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQq3lmMUBM "Highlights" may be the wrong word. Also, Lillard time is dead https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/827773081066184705
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Feb 4, 2017 18:25
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Has any infamous 1st take guy pointed out yet that Lillard should stop messing around and focus on BASKETBALL instead of RAP MUSIC?
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Feb 4, 2017 18:27
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this is the most important video on the internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtsQiyNgtIY lol is this even legal 
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R.D. Mangles posted:this is the most important video on the internet It's not legal
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R.D. Mangles posted:
No. Still owns tho
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Isn't contesting 3s kinda meaningless? Isn't good defense not letting guys take threes in the first place.
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straight up brolic posted:having more players to boxout and get rebounds leads to better team rebounding. If both Adams and Sabonis/Kanter are boxing out for Westbrook, that's an additional player securing the rebound vs. having to contest to receive it. Even when Kanter was playing, he was only playing 20 minutes a game and I think Adams is better at being big than he is at actually securing a contested rebound. Using a box-out based scheme to get Russ in transition makes a lot of sense. Also Westbrook is a notorious rebound poacher, he doesn't ask permission, he doesn't need permission. I wish Adams would do more tipouts when he's 1v3 on a rebound than trying to pull it down himself. I see him constantly have his hands on an ORB and get stripped because he's in a crowd. They need to have a scheme.....
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leftist heap posted:Isn't contesting 3s kinda meaningless? Isn't good defense not letting guys take threes in the first place.
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leftist heap posted:Isn't contesting 3s kinda meaningless? Isn't good defense not letting guys take threes in the first place. Statistical shot "contests" is not a straightforward concept, but it definitely does not mean actually challenging a shot, it usually means either being close to the shooter when the shot goes up or being on a vector to be close to the shooter. You could argue that statistical contests are part of denying the shot, in that a shooter is less likely to shoot if a defender is nearby, but I haven't seen much work done on this.
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leftist heap posted:Isn't contesting 3s kinda meaningless? Isn't good defense not letting guys take threes in the first place. The difference in eFG% between contested and uncontested threes is bigger than the difference between contested and uncontested twos outside the paint. League averages for contested 3PA is around 25% tightly contested vs 38% wide open (eFG% 37.5% v 57%). For twos further out than 10ft, it is about 35% tightly contested vs 45% wide open. I should say actually that the NBA stat tracking measures closest defender distance not specifically whether the shot was contested or not which is more of a subjective measure. Also Dokmo is dead right that how defenders being in proximity to players affects whether they shoot or not in the first place is something that I'm sure the savvy teams have done a lot of work looking at, but publicly there's been little objective analysis of. But in any case, regarding the discussion that this sprouted from (Westbrook cheating off his man on the perimeter to grab rebounds) I don't see how encouraging the opponent to shoot more threes rather than twos adds to argument that his rebound grabbing strategy is a net positive. tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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dokmo posted:Statistical shot "contests" is not a straightforward concept, but it definitely does not mean actually challenging a shot, it usually means either being close to the shooter when the shot goes up or being on a vector to be close to the shooter. You could argue that statistical contests are part of denying the shot, in that a shooter is less likely to shoot if a defender is nearby, but I haven't seen much work done on this. Thanks I wasn't sure what it meant exactly if it was just straight up hand up or more complicated than that. Russ is uncontroversially bad at plenty of obvious stuff I don't see why people feel the need to get so fancy with it. Russ seems to make people insane.
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lol Yogi Ferrell got a two year deal. He's literally following a MyPlayer career arc
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That's actually not true. "Contested" shots are first fun through a distance parameter and then are qualitatively evaluated by people to see if they warrant a contest. The bigger issue is that there's no weak contest, strong contest button, so they all get lumped in together
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straight up brolic posted:That's actually not true. "Contested" shots are first fun through a distance parameter and then are qualitatively evaluated by people to see if they warrant a contest. The bigger issue is that there's no weak contest, strong contest button, so they all get lumped in together They should classify the Battier-type 'hand in face' contest separately, so I can hate whoever leads the league in those.
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dokmo posted:Statistical shot "contests" is not a straightforward concept, but it definitely does not mean actually challenging a shot, it usually means either being close to the shooter when the shot goes up or being on a vector to be close to the shooter. You could argue that statistical contests are part of denying the shot, in that a shooter is less likely to shoot if a defender is nearby, but I haven't seen much work done on this. The SportVU contest stats seemed noisy. Because of random bad defenders around good ones, because of cameras picking up a guy near a guy, even if he wasn't actually defending that guy or even halfway helping. And yeah the contest on the three matters, the idea is to make the shooter not want to shoot, but to answer the question, yes, once the shooter decides to shoot a three, defender distance has no consistent effect on 3p%, once the guy decides he's safe to shoot, I think the average number is 4 feet of space, which is barely more than an arm's length for some guys straight up brolic posted:That's actually not true. "Contested" shots are first fun through a distance parameter and then are qualitatively evaluated by people to see if they warrant a contest. The bigger issue is that there's no weak contest, strong contest button, so they all get lumped in together Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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That statistical analysis "Russell Westbrook is actually a fraud" post was written by some Warriors fan dillhole that's post history is mostly gobbing over how amazing Kevin Durant is in r/Warriors So gently caress him, the contested shot stat is borderline useless and extremely dependent on the team's scheme. Look at some of the players it ranks highest in the NBA. Edit: Never trust a stat that isn't results-based. For instance, that the team rebounds better as a whole when Westbrook is on the floor and stealing boards than when he isn't Mandrel fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Warriors Fans' hate boner for Russel Westbrook confuses me. Isn't it bad enough that you basically removed their franchise chance at contention? Why do you have to poo poo on their remaining superstar too?
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All the Mavs need to do now is convert Andrew Bogut into Tyson Chandler and that's a fun enough season for me. edit: that Harden jumping on MCW's back causing MCW to foul out is the worst foul call I've seen in years. Dexo posted:Can Definitely Williams hit an outside shot nowadays? When he is healthy he is arguably the best offensive player on the Mavs. He always has nagging health issues. Tae posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQq3lmMUBM even as an old man, defenses show more respect to Dirk than a rookie on fire. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Mandrel posted:Edit: Never trust a stat that isn't results-based. For instance, that the team rebounds better as a whole when Westbrook is on the floor and stealing boards than when he isn't I'm sure that's true, but that isn't the argument. Obviously if you have a guard hanging around 15 feet from the basket rather than on the perimeter you are going to rebound better. The question is whether the plus you get in rebounding is worth any potential negative on perimeter defence, and what effect positive or negative it has on transition.
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Mandrel posted:That statistical analysis "Russell Westbrook is actually a fraud" post was written by some Warriors fan dillhole that's post history is mostly gobbing over how amazing Kevin Durant is in r/Warriors Yeah, I wasn't even referring to Russel Westbrook, just speaking in generalities. Those numbers have a large scheme element like brolic said. Remember when Indiana was good, was it 2 years ago? Was it only two? 3years ago? Hibbert would box out, let Lance get the uncontested rebound and run the floor. It gave them a boost because their halfcourt offense was such a jalopy of a machine. Lance was even doing it to some extent in Memphis, last year.
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