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Every time Lost gets brought up (and let's be clear Lost is hot garbage), I want to go back and watch the first season of Prison Break. Probably because while Lost was stumbling around in the jungle looking for its writing team, Prison Break had a really good first season and then just shot itself in the head for two seasons before finally dying. And it deserved better, but everyone was all up in arms about Lost. gently caress Lost. And no it's not just because I'm infinity-gay for Dominic Purcell. 
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Orv posted:Probably because while Lost was stumbling around in the jungle looking for its writing team, Prison Break had a really good first season and then This is exactly what happened with Lost too. Lost Season 1 is loving amazing.
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It's not bad.  I mostly wasn't a fan of the cast, which is a problem for that kind of show.
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WampaLord posted:This is exactly what happened with Lost too. Lost Season 1 is loving amazing. Signed. Even season 2 isn't that bad. After that point it became completely clear that they weren't building up to anything but winging it season by season.
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Feb 3, 2017 18:29
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WampaLord posted:This is exactly what happened with Lost too. Lost Season 1 is loving amazing. (I also agreed with Charlie Brooker that the survival adventures on freaky polar bear island were far more interesting to watch than any of the flashbacks.)
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Feb 3, 2017 20:10
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It always feels like you've been duped and taints everything when you realize those cool mysteries are just the writers making it up as they go along with no plan and often to intention of giving any sort of satisfying explanation or resolution. Not to get too nerdy in the star trek thread, but it all gives me flashbacks to my friend telling us he had written up a huge pen and paper RPG horror world and wanted us to start a campaign. We were all excited, and a first few games seemed great and it was really creepy and there were so many cool mysteries and interesting world-building. But as it went on it was clear he was just making poo poo up as he went along, not really taking notes, but also getting really pissy if we called him out on inconsistencies. He could never say "oh poo poo right I forgot about that" he's just introduce even more convoluted magical mysteries. "Perhaps your memories have been altered!" "That's not a plot hole I forgot about, it's all planned, maybe it's part of the mystery!"
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I followed Lost for a while but the thing I most remember is that I saw the first two episodes while I was on an aeroplane.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:50
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Sorry to interrupt Lost chat. Do I remember right that there's a site with a list of all the crap the Axanar guys have pulled? Someone on my FB just mentioned Axanar being the great hope for Trek, so I could use an educational link.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:52
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http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=start FAQ is the best place to start.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:57
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As someone who wasted their youth reading Star Trek novels I can say definitively the Stargate novels are loving garbage in comparison. Just the absolute worst fan fic trash you can imagine.
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MorgaineDax posted:http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=start Thanks!
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8one6 posted:As someone who wasted their youth reading Star Trek novels I can say definitively the Stargate novels are loving garbage in comparison. Just the absolute worst fan fic trash you can imagine. The Buffy novels were pretty terrible too. They were basically their own universe due to characters who had left the show/died still being around in stories set after those events.
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Feb 4, 2017 00:43
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Trip report on Enterprise season 3, I'm up to ep 22: it's not as bad as I thought! heh Trip report
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I'm definitely in the "who cares about the mystery I love these characters" camp of Lost but even then there's the Kate problem. If the creators hadn't been convinced not to kill Jack in the pilot, then Kate would've been the main character. But then Jack was alive which left Kate with almost nothing to do except angst about a criminal past that should've been explained in the first three seasons and flip-flop between dudes. Kate could've been great, but instead your two main characters are garbage for most of the show. That said, its almost worth it for every time Jack learns he's wrong and Rose making fun of his catchphrase
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nerdman42 posted:I'm definitely in the "who cares about the mystery I love these characters" camp of Lost but even then there's the Kate problem. 0% chance the show would have gotten a second season if they made Kate the main character. What a terrible, boring, petty rear end in a top hat. Though on the other hand, Jack. Really they should just have made it the Locke and Sawyer show
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Pacra posted:Trip report on Enterprise season 3, I'm up to ep 22: it's not as bad as I thought! Nice... It definitely got better as it went along. 4th season rules, once you get past the first couple of episodes (and ignore the stupid finale).
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Tighclops posted:My problem with it was that if you bothered following along to it's logical conclusion than everybody in the BSGverse was being strung along for hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of years by an inscrutable force that watches entire civilizations live and burn over and over in order to appease it's own sense of curiosity I kind of feel DS9 had a little bit of the same problem - not to the same extent, but it never really properly established the Prophets as sympathetic. "The Reckoning" basically has them indistinguishable from the Pah-Wraiths, just as willing to use people as puppets to play out their wrestling grudge match; they pretty much rape Sisko's mother to ensure his conception; they never do anything to help Bajor. But no, by the end of the series, they seem pretty arbitrary classed as 'good guys' who Sisko should sacrifice everything to help. Like, it's one thing to put gods in your sci-fi - but being a god doesn't mean you should be immune to moral judgement.
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Well, the Prophets do interfere to help Bajor. They got Sisko to keep Bajor out of the Federation so it could eventually sign a non-aggression treaty with the Dominion and thus be spared occupation, and later they destroyed a Dominion fleet to help the Federation retake DS9.
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Angry Salami posted:I kind of feel DS9 had a little bit of the same problem - not to the same extent, but it never really properly established the Prophets as sympathetic. "The Reckoning" basically has them indistinguishable from the Pah-Wraiths, just as willing to use people as puppets to play out their wrestling grudge match; they pretty much rape Sisko's mother to ensure his conception; they never do anything to help Bajor. But no, by the end of the series, they seem pretty arbitrary classed as 'good guys' who Sisko should sacrifice everything to help. The give the orbs to Bajor, and they do care about it, but until Sisko shows up they don't even know about linear time. In their eyes they just sent out the orbs last Thursday and now the Sisko just showed up. They also stopped the fleet from decimating Bajor, since by that point the Dominion wouldn't give 2 fucks about the planet and it has a reputation for being rebellious anyway.
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Kibayasu posted:A lot of BSG's problems with its spiritual stuff can be solved by removing all references to any kind of Cylon plan. As soon as that word shows up you start setting up expectations of explanations because how could the Cylons have a plan if they didn't understand it? I recently re-watched BSG and the show is about 100x better if you skip any scene with baltar being with the cylons. As soon as the piano music starts, skip. You get through season 3 pretty quickly and don't miss anything, at all. That cuts out about 2/3rds of the religious bullshit too. Fat Shat Sings fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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BSG did have something interesting to say, God or no God. It had an interesting and dark take that humanity is doomed to develop AI androids over and over again which will destroy it, and those AI Androids will even go so far as to make themselves almost completely human and then create their own AI Androids who will destroy them. An endless loop of apocalypse.
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Astroman posted:BSG did have something interesting to say, God or no God. It had an interesting and dark take that humanity is doomed to develop AI androids over and over again which will destroy it, and those AI Androids will even go so far as to make themselves almost completely human and then create their own AI Androids who will destroy them. An endless loop of apocalypse. A pretty hosed up god.
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Baronjutter posted:A pretty hosed up god. Like there's any other kind of god. 
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Look man, sometimes you just need that starship.
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https://twitter.com/USNavy/status/827813647162408960
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Astroman posted:BSG did have something interesting to say, God or no God. It had an interesting and dark take that humanity is doomed to develop AI androids over and over again which will destroy it, and those AI Androids will even go so far as to make themselves almost completely human and then create their own AI Androids who will destroy them. An endless loop of apocalypse.
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All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer by. And Ed Balls. Definitely Ed Balls.
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Angry Salami posted:Like, it's one thing to put gods in your sci-fi - but being a god doesn't mean you should be immune to moral judgement. This is one of the important things I've learned from science fiction and Star Trek in particular
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"Jim, the Enterprise is 57 years old. We feel her day is over."
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The best part is that at the same port that Enterprise is being decommissioned they're building the fancy next generation carrier meant to replace her awaiting sea trials. So if someone were to happen to steal the Enterprise, they'd have to send the experimental prototype ship out to catch her. Sound familiar?
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Astroman posted:"Jim, the Enterprise is 57 years old. We feel her day is over." Plenty of letters left in the alphabet.
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My god, Bones. What have I done?
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Baronjutter posted:A pretty hosed up god. Well the entire point of what God was doing was to try to figure out a way to stop the AI apocalypse cycle.
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Not a huge Sovvy fan but I like it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIpSpQHcHA
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"Go to hell."
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MikeJF posted:Not a huge Sovvy fan but I like it here Man, the underside of Sov's nacelles is the worst part of that design. Doesn't stop me from collecting it though. Someday I want to have every Enterprise in 1:1400 scale. Except for -B, that one's just going to be a regular Excelsior. 
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For real though USS Enterprise is so old keeping her in service would be an unnecessary hazard to her crew.
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So, does anyone think the Maquis was correct in their actions? I always felt they were being incredibly selfish, the Federation was willing to do pretty much anything to help the settlers relocate, but nope, they refused it, then got pissed off that the Cardassians treated them like poo poo.
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twistedmentat posted:So, does anyone think the Maquis was correct in their actions? I always felt they were being incredibly selfish, the Federation was willing to do pretty much anything to help the settlers relocate, but nope, they refused it, then got pissed off that the Cardassians treated them like poo poo. It's pretty much universally accepted that they were selfish idiots and trying to paint them as victims of ethnic cleansing or poor natives driven from their sacred homes holds no water since they're all fairly recent colonists who were forewarned those planets were in a politically sensitive area and were offered to be re-settled to actually better places and given more resources. I think the Maquis are an interesting study on what sort of delusions and social issues could stem out of a post-scarcity utopia. Some people just need to feel like they're an oppressed underdog despite nothing being at stake.
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It's just a shame it's not possible to cut the reactors out of the Enterprise and decommission it in a non-destructive way so it could be a museum. BTW, you can look at the Enterprise in 3d on Google Maps. https://goo.gl/maps/XE7NNaHfxeA2
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