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Meme Emulator posted:I was thinking about if there was any conventional way to defeat Diavolo and I just cannot imagine one. Even if you come at him with overwhelming force the only way to actually kill the man would be to subject him to an attack that would continuously kill him across the entire time of KC's time skip so that even if he deleted the entire time hes still in a danger zone. Of course, Epitaph would be able to see that the 'end of the road' of the time skip is still a danger zone and would run away instead. So the attack would have to cover a gigantic area that is a circle with Diavolo at the center and covers a radius as wide as the distance Diavolo/KC can sprint during the time span of the time skip. I think KC could just as well erase the moment of impact of Purple Haze's baubles. Diavolo's weak point is Epitaph having to consciously be summoned to work, so if you could lethally wound him with a surprise attack he wouldn't be able to do anything about that. From the top of my head Jail House R(L)ock would be a pretty good counter, provided the effect stays while KC erases time. Its range goes above what Diavolo could cover during King Crimson's time jump and it has no prerequisite conditions so there's no need getting close first. It even can target multiple users so there's no personality shift shenanigans with Doppio and King Crimson having a complicated power ensures Diavolo will forget something while attacking. The only issue is that it literally has zero destructive power so the best it could do is put him in a deadlock, but that's where a teammate would come in.
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Made in Heaven is another stand like The World where KC's survival is probably dependent on how the prediction of time works. If it works as though it's ~10 of predictions is as perceived personally by Diavolo, then he can probably at least not get hit by any of MiH's attacks. If, like Jotaro's time stop being shortened by MiH, Epitaph worked by showing him 11 seconds of MiH Accelerated time, it'd be useless and Pucci would probably carve him up because it'd basically show him nothing of worth. Doesn't really help that MiH also behaves strangely during Jotaro's time-stop, so it might just fully work during King Crimson's time skipping anyway.
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Feb 4, 2017 19:11
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I don't recall MiH affecting Jotaro's time stop at all, just that see can see in frozen time but not react like Jotaro could against Dio. Time stop would've worked against defeating MiH if Pucci didn't pull a Dio and throw knives at Jolyne to force Jotaro to save her instead of going for the kill.
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Feb 4, 2017 19:19
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Like almost every other stand in the series, KC would probably lose to Magician's Red.
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Feb 4, 2017 19:22
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I have the distinct feeling that Tusk would just straight up not give a gently caress about KC's time skip
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Feb 4, 2017 19:31
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Made in Heaven is another stand like The World where KC's survival is probably dependent on how the prediction of time works. If it works as though it's ~10 of predictions is as perceived personally by Diavolo, then he can probably at least not get hit by any of MiH's attacks. If, like Jotaro's time stop being shortened by MiH, Epitaph worked by showing him 11 seconds of MiH Accelerated time, it'd be useless and Pucci would probably carve him up because it'd basically show him nothing of worth. presume a frictionless sphere e: Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I have the distinct feeling that Tusk would just straight up not give a gently caress about KC's time skip also this, act 4 does not give a gently caress about anything related to causality, it's only real limit is johnny's own awareness like world over heaven and GER could stop it but they'd have to literally overwrite reality so the attack never happened to do so Yinlock fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Feb 4, 2017 19:42
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Yinlock posted:presume a frictionless sphere way ahead of you
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Feb 4, 2017 20:03
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Yinlock posted:presume a frictionless sphere Soft & Wet is my boy, yeah. Yinlock posted:also this, act 4 does not give a gently caress about anything related to causality, it's only real limit is johnny's own awareness I'd also assume Ball Breaker and Tusk Act 4 could nullify each other if they were opposite polarities just like how Johnny fixes it in himself.
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Feb 4, 2017 21:05
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Meme Emulator posted:I was thinking about if there was any conventional way to defeat Diavolo and I just cannot imagine one. Even if you come at him with overwhelming force the only way to actually kill the man would be to subject him to an attack that would continuously kill him across the entire time of KC's time skip so that even if he deleted the entire time hes still in a danger zone. Of course, Epitaph would be able to see that the 'end of the road' of the time skip is still a danger zone and would run away instead. So the attack would have to cover a gigantic area that is a circle with Diavolo at the center and covers a radius as wide as the distance Diavolo/KC can sprint during the time span of the time skip. You'd need to either create an attack that's both over a wide area and persists, like Purple Haze or Weather Report, or have a weird subtle stand that doesn't attack in an obvious way. Cheap Trick would definitely get him, as its possession is not obvious within 10 seconds and Diavolo already loves going for backstabs. Sky High would also give Diavolo huge trouble as KC is reliant on his stamina and by the time he realizes a stand battle is happening, the rods are already taking a toll. But sticking to good guy stands, I also feel like S&W should be able to corner him in some shrewd way, but I can't think of exactly how. Tusk Act 4 wins the same way GER does, by just not giving a gently caress.
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Feb 4, 2017 21:20
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Skipping time while being on fire does not change the fact that you are on loving fire.
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Feb 4, 2017 22:05
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Funky Valentine posted:Skipping time while being on fire does not change the fact that you are on loving fire. But does the fire skip time with you?
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Feb 4, 2017 22:11
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Soft & Wet can probably 「P L U N D E R 」the erased time, then release it at the right time to use it against KC. I'd like to imagine skipping time with Ball Breaker just makes the Steel Ball hit you in the face quicker.
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Feb 4, 2017 22:12
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For all the vaguely defined stuff about Soft & Wet, its very first power can steal eyesight, so if he steals Diavolo's eyesight, maybe he can't see Epitaph, so he can't anticipate anything Josuke would do and he'd get ORAORAORAORA'd sooner rather than later.
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Feb 4, 2017 22:19
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That's a good point. He has to see the future through his hair or something right? Unless he can visualize it in his head, you'd just have to blind him or shave him bald.
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Feb 4, 2017 22:53
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The "Soft and Wet will turn into King Crimson" fan theory
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Feb 4, 2017 23:17
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Yinlock posted:presume a frictionless sphere The point of of Tusk Act 4's ability is you can't weasel out of it with stupid trump card Stand abilities like time stop or karma redirection, by the same logic I like to believe it would grind Giorno and his ridiculous Stand into the ground too
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Feb 5, 2017 00:30
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I kinda thought Tusk 4 was perfect rotation = infinite energy, thus somehow allowing it to defy physics so stuff like Other World Deigo's time stop wouldn't stop it.
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Feb 5, 2017 00:58
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It's pretty well established the best way to deal with some ridiculously powerful stand like the World or King Crimson is to just hit them with a surprise attack before they gently caress with time. Polnareff nearly kills Dio with the jump attack, and Jonny tries to fight Diego with that as his goal but gets foiled by the shield of groupies.
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Feb 5, 2017 00:59
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"Foolish Johnny, I can see every move you'll make in the next ten seconds. All that's left is t-" "chumimi~in" "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
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Feb 5, 2017 01:06
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Imagine seeing Giorno try to stop Tusk Act 4's bullet with GER, and it looks like it works so Giorno says something about cause and effect, but then Johnny stares at him and says some gibberish about how the perfect rotation is infinite, so cause and effect don't apply to it or are the same thing or whatever, and then CHUMIMI~IN!!! Eyes of Heaven was such a letdown, it should have been all stuff like this.
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Feb 5, 2017 01:40
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Gold Experience Requiem vs Tusk Act 4 would just be an infinite cycle of bullshitting each other until they both died of old age
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Feb 5, 2017 02:00
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Improbable Lobster posted:Gold Experience Requiem vs Tusk Act 4 would just be an infinite cycle of bullshitting each other until they both died of old age Johnny x Giorno OTP
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Feb 5, 2017 02:11
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So I'm all caught up on JoJo, I've read Little Jolyne, Thus spoke Kishibe Rohan, and Dead Man's Questions, are there any other one offs like that? I need my fix.
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Assuming you read all the Thus Spoke one-shots and Rohan At The Lourve, there's other much smaller stories like Jolyne, Fly High with Gucci (a one off that was printed in like a women's fashion magazine) featuring Jolyne and Bruno. There's also a non JoJo related short story called Dolce and His Master that he made around the time he was working on Part 5 If you're really loving jonesing, there's Araki's pre-JoJo work like Baoh and Cool Shock B.T. No idea if there's translations for all of these and I can't speak to any of his pre-JoJo stuff but Baoh conceptually sounds loving rad. Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Raposa posted:So I'm all caught up on JoJo, I've read Little Jolyne, Thus spoke Kishibe Rohan, and Dead Man's Questions, are there any other one offs like that? I need my fix. Purple Haze Feedback.
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Feb 5, 2017 05:09
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Baoh is amazing and everyone should watch the Dub of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcfykg9jIZM
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Moltrey posted:Assuming you read all the Thus Spoke one-shots and Rohan At The Lourve, there's other much smaller stories like Jolyne, Fly High with Gucci (a one off that was printed in like a women's fashion magazine) featuring Jolyne and Bruno. There's also a non JoJo related short story called Dolce and His Master that he made around the time he was working on Part 5 Bato.to only had a spanish copy of Rohan at the Louvre, I'll check out Fly High with Gucci next cause Jolyne is bad rear end. I'll save Purple Haze Feedback for my next hit, thanks yall.
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Raposa posted:So I'm all caught up on JoJo, I've read Little Jolyne, Thus spoke Kishibe Rohan, and Dead Man's Questions, are there any other one offs like that? I need my fix. I forget the name of it, but there is a neat doujin about what if Dio had used the mask on Jonathan thinking it'd kill him and it's cool cause it kinda takes the concept of fate and plays around with it to show how similar things end up even with the causes being so different. There is also the rpgmaker fangame 7th Stand User where you take a personality test and end up with one of 18 possible stands and then you get to play along the story of part 3 as a 7th person joining along with graphics based on the first three SaGa games. IMO, the best strategy for playing through it is to cheat engine your exp and money up to max and enjoy all of the writing and neat references and easter eggs and the various permutations of events based on your stand, your relationship with your allies, choices you make, etc.
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Gyro 1000% does not believe in relationships and jumps ship the second the person getting the nyo ho ho hints they're falling for him.
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multijoe posted:The point of of Tusk Act 4's ability is you can't weasel out of it with stupid trump card Stand abilities like time stop or karma redirection, by the same logic I like to believe it would grind Giorno and his ridiculous Stand into the ground too I think "rewrite reality so johnny never shot the attack" is pretty much the only way to stop it, but i don't know if GER would make the attack not exist(which probably wouldn't work) or make johnny have never used the attack ger is weird
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ultimately i feel none of these matchups would really go anywhere because anyone can come up with a wide variety of reasons why someone SHOULD win and unlike series like dragonball z where people have literal power levels jojo is esoteric and weird in comparison
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Could Soft & Wet 「 ｐｌｕｎｄｅｒ」 the infinite「 ｓｐｉｎ」 from Tusk 4 or would it just produce an endless stream of bubbles.
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Raposa posted:Bato.to only had a spanish copy of Rohan at the Louvre, I'll check out Fly High with Gucci next cause Jolyne is bad rear end. I'll save Purple Haze Feedback for my next hit, thanks yall. Rohan at the Louvre is officially available in English and you can buy it on Amazon, like I did!
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Olive Garden tonight! posted:Rohan at the Louvre is officially available in English and you can buy it on Amazon, like I did! It was out of print recently so maybe not. Worth it at any cost though.
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Feb 6, 2017 09:15
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I bought Rohan at the Louvre on Amazon last month for about 14 bucks and it looks like it's still in stock at about the same price.
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Feb 6, 2017 14:26
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I suppose it got a reprint then, which is good and fantastic.
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Mr. Funktastic posted:I don't recall MiH affecting Jotaro's time stop at all, just that see can see in frozen time but not react like Jotaro could against Dio. Time stop would've worked against defeating MiH if Pucci didn't pull a Dio and throw knives at Jolyne to force Jotaro to save her instead of going for the kill. Funny enough, I feel like Jotaro could've won anyways if he used Star Finger to give himself the little bit of extra reach to hit Pucci while still being in position to protect Jolyne.
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https://twitter.com/jojomovie_jp/status/829087864520470528 "Huh, who's the guy in the middle supposed to bOH MY GOD KOICHI"
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It does bother me that a ton of LA japanese adaptations don't give a poo poo about hair color. Like, you guys wear wigs and dye your hair all the time??
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