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I read pages of chat about the movies and nobody mentioned my personal problem with the movies, having the Pelennor be a flat featureless grassy plain. I mean also no Imrahil, no scouring of the Shire, and ghosts fixing everything.
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Or no Saruman rotting before their eyes after he gets shanked by Wormtongue.
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Saruman's death scene in the extended cut is pretty good, especially with Treebeard's janky line coming right after it.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I read pages of chat about the movies and nobody mentioned my personal problem with the movies, having the Pelennor be a flat featureless grassy plain.  Refer back to that Ted Nasmith view of Minas Tirith I posted earlier—I can really get down with the idea of everything outside the walls being a rocky, tree-dotted region, basically foothills. It's a very realistic idea of how that type of land right next to the mountains would look. But failing that, the city is supposed to be a population center surrounded by farmlands and villages that grow all the food—I mean come on Jackson, not one tilth or oast or garner, no byres or folds, no ricks, cots, or even trees?
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SHISHKABOB posted:Saruman's death scene in the extended cut is pretty good, especially with Treebeard's janky line coming right after it. It's garbage and Christopher Lee hated it. Legolas murders Grima.
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sassassin posted:It's garbage and Christopher Lee hated it. I like where he falls on the spike and the wheel carries him into the water, and then they just forget his corpse is there.
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Data Graham posted:
The point was to clearly see the armies .
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euphronius posted:The point was to clearly see the armies .
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Ravenfood posted:But the wolds, man! I must see the wolds! I wanted more to see the oasts actually.
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sassassin posted:It's garbage and Christopher Lee hated it. I thought he hated the fact that it wasn't included in the theatrical release?
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For the most part, I actually genuinely like the LotR movies, and I especially appreciate how, combined with Harry Potter, they really removed a lot of the stigma of childishness and immaturity from fantasy. Twenty years ago, if you knew what an orc was, you were a goddamn nerd who was just asking to get wedgied. Now, if you don't know what an orc is, you live under a rock. We have to thank Steve Jackson for that. Edit I even understand giving most of Glorfindel's importance to Arwen and shoving a romance plot into the films. It's not a sin to want there to be more than one named female character in the film who actually does something important, and considering that Aragorn and Arwen do end up together, it's kind of understandable to want it to be more than something completely out of left field. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 11:07
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Who's Steve Jackson and what did he do for orcs' rights?
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euphronius posted:The point was to clearly see the armies . Aren't the armies burning everything in the book? That could have been really striking too, not seeing the armies themselves but being able to tell their movement from the fires. And then you'd have the contrast between Gandalf's arrival to the city and the devastation after the battle.
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Feb 2, 2017 12:21
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sassassin posted:It's garbage and Christopher Lee hated it. He also explained to Christopher Lee just what a person who's had their throat slit with a knife sounds like.
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Kassad posted:Aren't the armies burning everything in the book? That could have been really striking too, not seeing the armies themselves but being able to tell their movement from the fires. And then you'd have the contrast between Gandalf's arrival to the city and the devastation after the battle. That's fine but now that is a different movie.
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Feb 2, 2017 13:45
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But were the movies trying to represent the books, or just be their own things that simply used elements taken from the books?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:But were the movies trying to represent the books, or just be their own things that simply used elements taken from the books? The later. They are an adaption . Books make terrible movies. People can't read that fast. They'd be in the theater for what 20+ hours?
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my dad posted:He also explained to Christopher Lee just what a person who's had their throat slit with a knife sounds like. Christopher Lee was the one doing the explaining because he was a badass who shanked Nazis during the war.
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u brexit ukip it posted:Christopher Lee was the one doing the explaining because he was a badass who shanked Nazis during the war. That's what Christopher Lee did as a reaction to that, yes.  I meant it in an "waiter telling a chef how to cook" sort of thing. e: But to stop pretending, though, that was a derp on my part, I meant to write Steve Jackson and have no idea how the gently caress I managed to write Christopher Lee instead. e2: vvvv Goddamnit  Stop owning yourself, me
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Feb 2, 2017 14:36
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I'm assuming you mean Peter Jackson the director, and not Steve Jackson the tabletop game creator.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:40
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Peter Jackson you guys, wtf
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George jets on
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Octy posted:Who's Steve Jackson and what did he do for orcs' rights?  I know that one was Livingstone. Sshh.
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In your defense, I said Steve Jackson first.
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There's only one Jackson important to the movies.
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I got back into the Decipher LotR TCG. I'm still bad and it's still fun anyways.
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PMush Perfect posted:Edit I even understand giving most of Glorfindel's importance to Arwen and shoving a romance plot into the films. It's not a sin to want there to be more than one named female character in the film who actually does something important, and considering that Aragorn and Arwen do end up together, it's kind of understandable to want it to be more than something completely out of left field. The film doesn't actually give any of Glorfindel's importance to Arwen. While the characters appear at the same time in the narrative, Glorfindel's role is largely expositional, warning of dangers, and providing (stupid) suggestions during council. He is also a symbol of the brilliant (and now impotent) past. He is one of the Mighty Firstborn, powerful and "Wise", and therefore of absolutely no use in the quest to save the world. Arwen instead takes the pieces for her movie role from Aragorn, a horse, Elrond & Gandalf, and most annoyingly Frodo, whose important moment of defiance (quickly overwhelmed) at the ford is lost in favour of an awful line that would have made all but the hackiest hacks cringe (Phillipa Boyens naturally loves it). She then reverts to book Arwen for the rest of the trilogy.
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sassassin posted:She then reverts to book Arwen for the rest of the trilogy. But that's all just in case the audience forgot Aragorn was a girlfriend-haver.
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The movies were fun, and literally any character development for Arwen is better than none.
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VanSandman posted:The movies were fun, and literally any character development for Arwen is better than none. Why? Character development that runs counter to that character's purpose in the story isn't a good thing. It makes the narrative weaker. Had she appeared at Helm's Deep in the finished film the changes to Fellowship would have worked a lot better, but that would take a fat elven dump all over Eowyn's arc. Elves aren't progressive, and certainly shouldn't be emulated.
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Actually, Elves are Cool.
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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Elves are cool, but also they are bad.
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Counterpoint: elves are cool BECAUSE elves are bad. They taunt travelers, defy gods, pick fights with the devil, swear unthinkable murder oaths, chop off each others' hands, kidnap and murder their relatives, close their borders and imprison refugees, show up to battles ready to loot the survivors, throw huge revolutions and then abandon their comrades, and latch themselves onto any angels that happen to be around and in a horny/friendly sorta mood. They are awful people and it's not for nothing that their lost ancestors made good orcs. This is why I like them. Gentle magical singers who spend all day pacing through the trees are BORING.
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My rule of thumb is: it's not racist if they're an elf.
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Fellowship is on TV and it's really, really bad who knew?
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sassassin posted:Fellowship is on TV and it's really, really bad who knew?
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PMush Perfect posted:I'm curious what does and doesn't work about it for you? Aside from your hateboner for Arwen, I mean. What if he really really really enjoys the prancing of Tom Bombadil?
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PMush Perfect posted:I'm curious what does and doesn't work about it for you? Aside from your hateboner for Arwen, I mean. There's literally no subtlety to it, so outside the action scenes characters are constantly saying and doing stupid things. Most of the scenes are borderline farce with a serious soundtrack. Gandalf causes an avalanche by yelling his rival's name and then asks Frodo if the party should go down the scary mines that Frodo knows nothing about. It hits plot points and landmarks with a hammer, and changes so many scenes in the details that it feels like they only had access to a cliff notes version of the book (the dwarf would be the one who wants to go to the mines, right? That sounds right) For the time it was made that was probably the best they could do, because taking fantasy seriously was in itself a huge step, and PJ's straightforward commitment to bombast and spectacle led to new standards being set for cgi, costuming & set design etc. But The Two Towers (Extended) is the only good one, because it includes actual character work (Boromir & Faramir & Dad, Eowyn, Gollum... kinda, I hate his cartoonish overacting tbh, but there's an actual fleshed out character there), and a proper massive action setpiece worthy of PJ's approach. What's this, a ranger caught off his guard? I do not fear them *branch cuts her cheek but she doesn't flinch* If you want him, come and claim him! Daddy please I want to marry him! I hate you! I'll run away! sassassin fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if he really really really enjoys the prancing of Tom Bombadil? I skip those chapters. Tom is evil and no good can come from listening to him.
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sassassin posted:Tom is evil and no good can come from listening to him. Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! Sassassin! poo poo goes the poster-wind and the thread goes gassin. Down along under bridge, trolling far from sunlight, Waiting in the Book Barn, hoggin all the spotlight, There our fancy gooner is, at least he's not a swatter, Slender as the cheeto-beast, fouling up the water. But Tom Bombadil, poor thread ratings bringing Comes hopping home again. Can you hear him singing? Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! and merry-o! Goonberry, Goonberry, merry neckbeard berry-o! Poor old Sassin-man, you tuck your lard away! Tom's in a hurry now. Evening will follow day. Tom's going home again better posts a-bringing. Hey! Come goony boy! Can you hear me singing?
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