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mcmagic posted:I got horribly unlucky with matchups. There were a million Titanshift decks in the room and I didn't get paired against any of them. That is modern though. Pairings mean just as much as your play. A friend played cheerios and was paired against dnt his first two matches.
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Sickening posted:That is modern though. Pairings mean just as much as your play. A friend played cheerios and was paired against dnt his first two matches. That is why Modern sucks.
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Feb 5, 2017 05:54
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mcmagic posted:That is why Modern sucks. Its the best magic has at the moment. I also didn't do well at regionals and I am pretty salty about it right now. My pairings were also awful and my mulligan average was almost once per game. Also a little embarrassed because I had quite a few friends come into town to play and the common theme was "Why are we packed in here so tight for an event scheduled this far in advance?". I am loving picky as an adult these days and I loving refuse to be skin to skin with my neighbors.
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Sickening posted:Its the best magic has at the moment. I also didn't do well at regionals and I am pretty salty about it right now. My pairings were also awful and my mulligan average was almost once per game. Obviously Legacy is the most fun to play but I enjoy Standard much more than Modern. Even bad standard formats. It's just much more skill intensive and interactive.
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Feb 5, 2017 06:05
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mcmagic posted:Obviously Legacy is the most fun to play but I enjoy Standard much more than Modern. Even bad standard formats. Lets not go into the long debate why legacy is a dying format. It also uses conspiracy mechanics designed for multiplayer in a competitive format and that is embarrassing. I will never understand people who have enjoyed standard at all since battle. Its just been so poo poo. As poo poo as regionals was, I laugh when I think about how many would have showed if it was standard. Sickening fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Feb 5, 2017 06:06
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Imo Modern is the healthiest format, but any of them will suffer from variance (how you deal with it is part of growing as a player)
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Modern is the most popular format but I don't give a poo poo. I think it's unfun and Rock/Paper/Scissors magic. Standard is nothing like that.
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Sickening posted:Lets not go into the long debate why legacy is a dying format. It also uses conspiracy mechanics designed for multiplayer in a competitive format and that is embarrassing. My store doesn't even do Standard FNM anymore, they do Pauper/Modern/Commander on a three-week rotation. Though I wish they'd dump one of the non-Modern events so I could get more practice... I haven't cared about Standard since THS/KTK when I could roll into FNM with a $50 mono-red deck and troll people out of their X-0 records. Though I guess it's a credit to Magic that people can care about some aspects of the competitive scene without needing to pay attention to the stuff they don't want to hear about.
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mcmagic posted:Modern is the most popular format but I don't give a poo poo. I think it's unfun and Rock/Paper/Scissors magic. Standard is nothing like that. Standard is such poo poo that rock/paper/scissors would be a loving upgrade.
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Sickening posted:Lets not go into the long debate why legacy is a dying format. It also uses conspiracy mechanics designed for multiplayer in a competitive format and that is embarrassing. I started playing again at battle release, I may never know a good standard. It is super popular in my area though so I'll continue to play it, and it is fun for the first month or so after each set release.
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Sickening posted:Standard is such poo poo that rock/paper/scissors would be a loving upgrade. People love to crap on standard. I think it's pretty unjustified. I've had alot of fun playing standard over the last 2 years. Clearly some formats are worse than others but overall it's been fine. I've been playing the copy cat jeskai deck the past 2 weeks and it's very fun, skill testing magic.
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Modern is great fun in small events where you know everyone, you can put together a deck that's at least decent against what people are playing, and you can basically avoid the "well I guess I literally can't win this matchup" things (or at least know that you're risking that when choosing a deck). Modern in large events feels like a bit of a pairings lottery.
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Jabor posted:Modern is great fun in small events where you know everyone, you can put together a deck that's at least decent against what people are playing, and you can basically avoid the "well I guess I literally can't win this matchup" things (or at least know that you're risking that when choosing a deck). I think Modern is especially r/p/s now... It might get better when the format gets straightened out more in the new few months. It was much better before the Twin ban let alone these new bans.
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Jabor posted:Modern is great fun in small events where you know everyone, you can put together a deck that's at least decent against what people are playing, and you can basically avoid the "well I guess I literally can't win this matchup" things (or at least know that you're risking that when choosing a deck). I only play Modern (or any Magic, honestly) at the FNM level so I'll own up to this. There's also a lot of variation from event to event at my store, though the power level is pretty respectable every week. A guy tried to talk me into going to a larger event outside of town last weekend but I'm not sure I have the mental stamina to play that much Magic in a day. Plus I gotta wait for a weekend where my wife isn't around, heh.
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We had a guy show up to our last FNM with a full 4-color copycat list his friend told him to build, because he is getting back into magic. I look at his table and he has shaheeli and 4 guardians on the board, but he didn't know the combo. I laughed, which upset him. We told him after the game, and he quit in the middle of the last round, and I doubt we will ever see him again. I wasn't trying to be a dick, but it was funny to see that be net-decked with 0 understanding of the deck.
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congrats on chasing someone out of your store. that'll show them people who dont obsess about wizard poker
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A big flaming stink posted:congrats on chasing someone out of your store. that'll show them people who dont obsess about wizard poker We weren't trying to be mean, but he got hostile when we wouldn't tell him mid game how to win on the spot. We told him after. . I also think the not obsessing over wizard poker is mute when some one goes and spends 240 dollars on a card game, and spends more time ordering the cards than looking up a card interaction that takes a single minute to read. You would laugh to if you saw that board state. DangerDongs fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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mcmagic posted:Obviously Legacy is the most fun to play but I enjoy Standard much more than Modern. Even bad standard formats. It's just much more skill intensive and interactive. Mcmagic is absolutely correct in his first sentence. Legacy is the only good format.
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Magic's actually a really bad game without one mana instants and sorceries tbh
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TheKingofSprings posted:Magic's actually a really bad game without one mana instants and sorceries tbh it really is. the main probelm wtih standard since RTR has been a lack of anything resembling answers.
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Purely speculating, do you think banning Felidar Guardian would allow other decks to be more viable? I think G/W tokens could be more of a contender.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Magic's actually a really bad game without one mana blue instants and sorceries tbh FTFY
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suicidesteve posted:FTFY give me brainstorm\ponder\mental misstep or give me death. except misstep gently caress that bullshit card.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Magic's actually a really bad game
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Errant Gin Monks posted:it really is. the main probelm wtih standard since RTR has been a lack of anything resembling answers. Yeah, pretty much this. Once RTR rotated out I put Standard down and picked up Legacy, every time I look at Standard it just looks like "slam 4- and 5-drops on the table, turn them sideways, first one to turn 20 power sideways wins" (with the exception of the new copycat deck I guess) and just like... okay, but, why would I spend my evening doing this? bring back turn//burn, abrupt decay, and supreme verdict, thanks
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mcmagic posted:You don't want it and i'm not going to actively poo poo up this thread by posting my 0-4, 0-8 infect list. It's easy to pass over this and it's easy to not want to post a list you lost badly with, but I don't agree that it's threadshitting to talk about the list and why it was a poor choice or what about it contributed to your record. In hindsight, why do you think that infect wasn't a good metagame call? Do you think a different infect list would have been better or do you think infect in general was a poor choice? How do you think what you now know changes your tournament prep I the future?
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DangerDongs posted:Purely speculating, do you think banning Felidar Guardian would allow other decks to be more viable? I think G/W tokens could be more of a contender. I think Heart of Kiran keeps tokens in check pretty well.
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DangerDongs posted:Purely speculating, do you think banning Felidar Guardian would allow other decks to be more viable? I think G/W tokens could be more of a contender. Green-white tokens seems like it's just doing less powerful things than constrictor decks or vehicles. Did you see how hard it got dunked by black-green in the SCG open columbus top 8, even with a great draw? uninverted fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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DangerDongs posted:We had a guy show up to our last FNM with a full 4-color copycat list his friend told him to build, because he is getting back into magic. I look at his table and he has shaheeli and 4 guardians on the board, but he didn't know the combo. I laughed, which upset him. We told him after the game, and he quit in the middle of the last round, and I doubt we will ever see him again. I wasn't trying to be a dick, but it was funny to see that be net-decked with 0 understanding of the deck. This is exactly why netdecking is not a problem. Anyone can assemble the 75 that won the pro tour or something. Actually winning with it requires skill and knowledge.
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mcmagic posted:Modern is the most popular format but I don't give a poo poo. I think it's unfun and Rock/Paper/Scissors magic. Standard is nothing like that. I feel like we're not talking about the same format. Didn't we just have a modern open with 14 different archetypes in the top 16? Including mono blue turns and R/W prison? Didn't we just see Skred win a GP??? I mean modern is basically a fight between flexibility and power. Super powerful synergy strategies that cause deckbuilding constraints (affinity, infect, Bogles, elves, tokens, cheerios, to a lesser extent Tron) vs answer decks that are insanely flexible (junk, jund, nahiri, etc). With Burn and Kiki and soul sisters and combo decks in the mix as well. Hatebears, eldrazi, spirits, living end, restore balance, ad nauseum, storm, lantern control, scapeshift, tokens. Having the meta be too open is a problem that every format should hope to have. Standard hasn't been that open since inn/rtr/theros. Legacy and pauper have That kind of wide open meta as well, but hardly anybody plays paper pauper and legacy has a much higher entry cost than modern. In closing: modern is cool and good and I like playing it even though I play weird non T1 decks (infect before become immense, Bogles, spirits)
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Mezzanon posted:I feel like we're not talking about the same format. Didn't we just have a modern open with 14 different archetypes in the top 16? Including mono blue turns and R/W prison? Didn't we just see Skred win a GP??? the thing that makes modern annoying is the silver bullet sideboards and the "matchup determine how well you do." if im playing a rock deck and get paired with 9 paper decks i lose every time. whereas the guy playing the exact same deck as me can get 9 scissor decks and win out. seriously its aggravating as gently caress when yorir deck has a miniscule chance of winning unless you get lucky pairings all the way through. as a caveat i have jund, grixis, infect, burn, soul sisters, kiki chord, abzan combo poo poo, elves and bant eldrazi... i still hate modern.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:the thing that makes modern annoying is the silver bullet sideboards and the "matchup determine how well you do." if im playing a rock deck and get paired with 9 paper decks i lose every time. whereas the guy playing the exact same deck as me can get 9 scissor decks and win out. Then why do you have all those decks built? Aren't almost all of those points a fact for every other format as well? (Aside from silver bullet sideboard hate)
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Mezzanon posted:Then why do you have all those decks built? Oh they aren't built. I just have all the peices to make them. It's a side of effect of playing legacy and collecting everything that comes out. Most of my legacy peices can slot right I to modern decks and when I played modern I bougot into multiple styles to see what I liked. The answer is none.
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Sounds like the answer to everyone's woes is................FRONTIER
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80s James Hetfield posted:Sounds like the answer to everyone's woes is................FRONTIER the absolute worst of all worlds
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I mean, Frontier isn't exactly horrible right now - it's in that indeterminate spot where you're free to play around with things because it hasn't had enough scrutiny to figure out what the best decks are. It's just that no-one should ever buy into it because it'll be poo poo as soon as the format gets figured out. Bring back Extended.
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Jabor posted:I mean, Frontier isn't exactly horrible right now - it's in that indeterminate spot where you're free to play around with things because it hasn't had enough scrutiny to figure out what the best decks are. frontier is all of your favorite midrange decks from the last few standards, like abzan, and abzan, and abzan with blue, and abzan with red, and jeskai with black, and even just 3 color midrange decks This is an exaggeration but it's also not all that wrong
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Mezzanon posted:Then why do you have all those decks built? It's way worse in modern. There's so many different angles that decks attack you at, and no catch-all answers. Standard mostly focused on creatures so you don't need specific hate. Legacy has force of will and Deathrite Shaman as flexible maindeck answers. In modern you need artifact hate to deal with affinity, redundant 1-mana removal spells to deal with infect, graveyard hate to deal with affinity, lifegain to deal with burn, and that's just the aggro decks. Tune your deck too much for those matchups and you'll lose to valakut and tron instead. There's not enough sideboard space so you run a lot of 2-ofs and 1-ofs and then hope you draw them. The diversity makes it a great format to play for fun but traveling a long ways to play for high stakes is gonna be lam
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