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Magnus Manfist posted:I wouldn't even say it's you need a resisting opponent to "test" technique, you need one to learn. I agree 1000x with this. When our guys are first allowed to start sparring the only thing they do is have to defend against someone throwing straights, seems easy enough but I guarantee you almost all of them just get punched a lot.
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That's a fine analogy that I am going to steal for the future. Anecdotally, when I started learning JKD at a school that was busy phasing out of it, I'd spar with a guy that would constantly try to trap. The amount of times I harshly hit that man in the face would make you think that he would have gathered enough evidence that no, it doesn't work against a guy who had been "fighting" for a quarter of the time comparatively... but nope, the Kool Aid was thoroughly consumed. I love JKD but there's too many people that want to believe in the magic rather than the principles.
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Magnus Manfist posted:Hey dude - this thread more or less descends into slapfights anytime something other than brazilian jiu-jitsu is mentioned (though bjj is extremely cool). But there are actually a lot of people here who know a lot. I did Wing Chun for about 4 years as a teenager (since then boxing and bjj). Personally I would not do Wing Chun again and kind of wish to hell I'd spent that time on judo or something and had a super solid base of grappling and movement - but that is entirely down to what I personally want. The answers people gave me helped me think about it though
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Magnus Manfist posted:Hey dude - this thread more or less descends into slapfights anytime something other than brazilian jiu-jitsu is mentioned (though bjj is extremely cool). Not really. Wrestling, muay thai, boxing, judo, sambo, fencing etc all get discussed sans slapfight.
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Nobody strikes any more and all of us sword nerds made a thread for ourselves.  (Fencing is cool & good, incidentally.)
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I don't strike anymore because I moved a while ago but if I move back I will strike again
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Kekekela posted:Not really. And anyone proficient in any of the above (minus fencing) would wreck anyone proficient in Akido 999 out of 1000, which begs the point, what is the point in learning Akido? It doesn't even look as good as some of the other don't work but look pretty martial arts.
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Kekekela posted:Not really. Yeah I know I was being a dick
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Is there a brand of hand wraps that don't fall apart after two weeks of use?
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willie_dee posted:And anyone proficient in any of the above (minus fencing) would wreck anyone proficient in Akido 999 out of 1000, which begs the point, what is the point in learning Akido? It doesn't even look as good as some of the other don't work but look pretty martial arts. Because some poo poo is fun and people like things other than the things other people like. Not everyone signs up for a martial arts class to meet a nurse who will inject them with steroids so that they can do cocaine and wreck drunks at the club.
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CommonShore posted:Because some poo poo is fun and people like things other than the things other people like.  Seriously, some stuff is just fun to do. I stuck with Chun and FMA til I got fed up with the school itself, because the drills and games where fun even though they had very little if any practical application. Pryor on Fire posted:Is there a brand of hand wraps that don't fall apart after two weeks of use? I have a set of title brand ones that haven't fallen apart yet, but your results may vary. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Pryor on Fire posted:Is there a brand of hand wraps that don't fall apart after two weeks of use? How are you cleaning them? I've used four pair on and off for years and they're OK.
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I have a delicates bag I put them in and then the washer, air dry. Stitching is falling apart on both the brands I tried. Need better wraps I think. Or maybe I just hit so loving hard the gear needs to catch up? Probably that actually.
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Pryor on Fire posted:I have a delicates bag I put them in and then the washer, air dry. Stitching is falling apart on both the brands I tried. Need better wraps I think. Or maybe I just hit so loving hard the gear needs to catch up? Probably that actually. What brand are you buying? I've tried plenty of brands and never had the problems your'e describing. Maybe I had one or two defective pairs, but I just stitched em back together and never thought about em again.
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I have tried meister and everlast, both are coming apart. The stitiching just comes loose on the mesiters which I can sew back in, but in addition to stitching falling out the everlast wraps started tearing near the velcro. So who makes the best wraps today?
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Pryor on Fire posted:I have tried meister and everlast, both are coming apart. The stitiching just comes loose on the mesiters which I can sew back in, but in addition to stitching falling out the everlast wraps started tearing near the velcro. The Everlast wraps I've used are actually poo poo, but that was because they were made of like nylon or some crap and they were too short. I never used them enough to have them break down. I've used Top Ten, Green Hill, Ringside, and "Kimurawear" wraps which all seemed more or less identical besides the patch on them. Depending on how you wrap your hands, the Rival ones can be pretty nice too, but they have really big logos on them and double-wide velcro strps, which can interfere and get bulky. Look for a 180" "Mexican"-style wrap, which is an elastic wrap.
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I used ringside, the Mexican style with thumb hooks and I think more flexible synthetic fiber in the weave than normal. Idk they held up well under the same washing routine for six months before I stowed them to go back to BJJ.
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Cool so confirmed after three weeks of boxing I hit like a truck and the gear needs to catch up to my skills. Get on my level scrubs.
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Related question for the thread, then - I want to bulk order some tape for BJJ/Judo to get my cost per roll down below $5, as I use a ton of it (partly because I share with everyone). I've been getting "Athletic" tape from a sporting goods store, which I like because it's a little elastic (thus good for my fingers) as opposed to "Hockey" tape, which is stiff as poo poo, but quite a bit cheaper. Medical tape sucks rear end and slides off as soon as I start to sweat. Now I know internationally it's hard to give recommendations for sites, but maybe you can help me with the keywords for searching for the right stuff. I've been looking at boxing suppliers today, and their "Corner" and "Gym" tape seems like it's reasonably priced ($3/roll) but I have no idea of it's stiff or flexible. What kind of finger tape do you guys use? Bonus points if you know of a reasonablly priced type/brand which is already less than 1/2 inch wide so I don't have to spend time cutting it.
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I got two pairs of Everlast 180" wraps that lasted forever, but rebuying Everlast didn't help. Trying other wrap brands has also been fruitless -- most are not elastic enough to unfold/dewrinkle themselves from handwashing and wringing, which means they take longer to put on. I tried this one pair of bamboo fiber wraps that are both not stretchy enough initially and too loose once you take them off.
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CommonShore posted:Not everyone signs up for a martial arts class to meet a nurse who will inject them with steroids so that they can do cocaine and wreck drunks at the club. That's not why I signed up, but thanks for reminding me how much fun I'm having, it's weird seeing it written down so simply.
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Ringside, rival, and green hill stretchy wraps have all worked for me and not disintegrated after 4 uses
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I heard there used to be a guy that visited my gym occasionally who also complained about his wraps falling apart. His name was Conor. Conor McGregor. Funny thing though: apparently he only had this problem with his left hand. I'm having it with both hands. You might be talking to a loving god in the making, tread carefully you little twerps. Up to week four in boxing!
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My autistic teammate won his first ever kickboxing match yesterday by TKO. It was just a local smoker, but he's been excited to fight for a while so we were super pumped for him. The highlights of the match was him sprinting to the ring ala ultimate warrior style once his name was called and his victory speech which was just him shouting unintelligible poo poo in to the mic and doing the Ric Flair "WOOOO" at the end. We had a good laugh. What I really wanted to share was that the event had an all female judges panel and I thought that was awesome. Pryor on Fire posted:I heard there used to be a guy that visited my gym occasionally who also complained about his wraps falling apart. His name was Conor. Conor McGregor. Funny thing though: apparently he only had this problem with his left hand. I'm having it with both hands. You might be talking to a loving god in the making, tread carefully you little twerps. CommonShore posted:Related question for the thread, then -
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Bangkero posted:good timing - I just ordered this yesterday. I don't need bulk but it's the only one on amazon.ca I found and I figured my gym mates would want to grab some. This one you can order by the roll but they don't ship to Canada and the price point isn't the best. Thanks - when they arrive can you post a picture of the rolls next to something for scale? If they don't look really tiny I'll order it myself.
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Will do, and if you want - PM me your address and I'll ship one or two over to you.
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Bangkero posted:Will do, and if you want - PM me your address and I'll ship one or two over to you. Eeeh don't worry about that. No sense in letting the shipping companies double dip - but I appreciate the offer. If they don't look like mini rolls and if you say they're decent quality after having tried them, I'll just order my own. I'm going to probably resell 2/3 of them to other people at cost anyway - that's what I did when I ordered 40 mouthguards.
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quidditch it and quit it posted:Without sparring against a resisting opponent there's no way to test and refine technique though, surely? No but. You can practice sparring with 20-40% force. It teaches you the movements and reactions but doesn't hurt. If you have skilled friends in sparring, you can also do it with 50-100% speed but no force, depending on what they have trained before and they can do that to begin with  Telling someone who has been wrestling forever to go "hey dude, only 50% if we strike" is probably pretty useless but there's lots of kickboxing styles where people learn how to do that and it actually makes both of you better. Gawd drat, I've done tons of sparring rounds without a mouthguard and no gloves because everyone knows how to handle their movement hence no injuries, busted knuckles or cuts.
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CommonShore posted:Eeeh don't worry about that. No sense in letting the shipping companies double dip - but I appreciate the offer. If they don't look like mini rolls and if you say they're decent quality after having tried them, I'll just order my own. I'm going to probably resell 2/3 of them to other people at cost anyway - that's what I did when I ordered 40 mouthguards.  Let me know if that's clear enough. It's more flexible than hockey tape but definitely no where near as flimsy as medical tape. JaySB posted:Wait are you trying to defend Aikido? I think Ligur is moreso defending sparring light as a training method. Sparring light (and flow rolling, kata, drilling, or hitting the bags) will certainly refine the mechanics of the technique, which is part of the question Quidditch posed. As Conor McGregor says "upgrading the software without damaging the hardware". A good gym will have a wide range of training methods, and many of us are in agreement that gyms (such as aikido) that do not use sparring as a training method miss out on honing other skill sets that you only get from practicing against a resisting opponent -- proper head/body movement, defense, adapting the technique, and knowing how to react after getting punched/thrown/choked/etc. (as well as getting used to the feeling of being punched/thrown/choked/etc.). But in the end it really depends on what you want out of your martial art. Who gives a gently caress if you're having fun and getting a workout if that's your goal. A lot of people in my MMA gym won't spar or only roll lightly since they're really there for the workout, learn techniques, and enjoy the social aspect of a team workout. Are they any better than someone who trains wing chun or aikido? Are they any better than someone who trains in a wing chun gym that spars? 
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Bangkero posted:Are they any better than someone who trains wing chun or aikido? Are they any better than someone who trains in a wing chun gym that spars? Yes
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JaySB posted:Yes Better at what?
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JaySB posted:Yes Trick question - I would tool the poo poo out of both groups before crushing them under my basic kesa gatame hold down.
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Bangkero posted:Here you go: Rad rad rad sold. Bangkero posted:Trick question - I would tool the poo poo out of both groups before crushing them under my basic kesa gatame hold down. Kesa gatame may be basic but it scales well with your skill: 
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CommonShore posted:Kesa gatame may be basic but it scales well with your skill:
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Better at what? Everything
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I just started training BJJ last week. I found a nice, inviting gym and I'm having a ton of fun. My legs have been sore the day after a class and I'm not very flexible. Are there any stretches that you guys can recommend that might help to prevent the soreness and help with the flexibility? It's mostly my calves and my hips that are the most sore.
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