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Keystoned posted:Yes? When you buy a house in a subdivision specifically because of the low traffic so you dont have to worry about your kids getting ran over by some distracted rear end in a top hat commuter staring at his phone trying to save 45 seconds on his trip while facebooking and spamming skip on spotify, yeah, id be pissed. I live in LA and I know the exact intersection being discussed, as I've been stranded there by Waze myself. It is not in a subdivision in the way that you're picturing. It's a string of expensive houses on the side of a mountain. There is no pedestrian traffic whatsoever and effectively zero kids living there. It's almost all wealthy retirees/empty nesters. No one who lives there lives there "for the traffic," because that's an insane idea anywhere in LA, and also these are showpiece houses for millionaires, not a neighborhood. It's a steep and narrow road and navigation apps have made it effectively impassable in any reasonable time at rush hour. People can't get out of their driveways, emergency vehicles can't get through. It's bad, just not for the weirdo NIMBY reasons you're coming up with over there in Kansas. I'd hate to see you react to anything actually beneficial to society, like public transit. And for gently caress's sake, keep your kids out of the street. "Distracted rear end in a top hat commuters" shouldn't even have the option of hitting them. Put that anxiety disorder of yours to some practical use.
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Maybe slightly late, but didn't most of the Radium or Nuclear products have a complete lack of anything actually active? It was my understanding that it was more just marketing speak at the time, and getting used as dumb ad copy because your average shmuck lacked the means to actually tell if their irradiated hemorrhoid massager actually emitted anything.
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Agrinja posted:Maybe slightly late, but didn't most of the Radium or Nuclear products have a complete lack of anything actually active? It was my understanding that it was more just marketing speak at the time, and getting used as dumb ad copy because your average shmuck lacked the means to actually tell if their irradiated hemorrhoid massager actually emitted anything. Maybe in some cases, but definitely not entirely.
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Feb 4, 2017 05:26
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WickedHate posted:Maybe in some cases, but definitely not entirely. If your were poor, you got false advertising and no radium. If you were rich, you got real radium and no jaw.
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Feb 4, 2017 06:03
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Platystemon posted:If your were poor, you got false advertising and no radium. The good old days. 
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A few of my favorite historical ads. The bottom two I've come across in my work in 19th century newspapers in Virginia. The third one I cannot imagine was received well (yes, it's from 1865), but what do I know.  
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Feb 4, 2017 07:25
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Especially Irish children, what?
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Especially Irish children, what? For a Swift recovery.
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Feb 4, 2017 08:49
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Many of those are fake. Real picture, fake copy.
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Feb 4, 2017 09:58
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joshtothemaxx posted:A few of my favorite historical ads. The bottom two I've come across in my work in 19th century newspapers in Virginia. The third one I cannot imagine was received well (yes, it's from 1865), but what do I know. I'm not American, but if the store's in a Union state, I'd imagine it'd be okay unless a reader has relatives in Richmond.
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Agrinja posted:Maybe slightly late, but didn't most of the Radium or Nuclear products have a complete lack of anything actually active? It was my understanding that it was more just marketing speak at the time, and getting used as dumb ad copy because your average shmuck lacked the means to actually tell if their irradiated hemorrhoid massager actually emitted anything. That sounds possible. Even the things with radium (watch dials and such) probably didn't have enough to really affect the person buying it. But it did gently caress up a lot of people in factories who applied radium paint to things.
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http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-08/healthy-glow-drink-radiation Some were deadly in large enough doses, plenty were complete hogwash, but all of them demonstrated how the average person didn't understand the impact of actual radioactive elements.
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People still don't. Just look at this thread and how people are freaking out because something says Radium on it. Scary scary radiation!
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Johnny Aztec posted:People still don't. Just look at this thread and how people are freaking out because something says Radium on it. Um yes? Radiation and nuclear power plants are all evil and shouldn't be used, let's stick to the healthy coal power plants. 
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Johnny Aztec posted:People still don't. Just look at this thread and how people are freaking out because something says Radium on it. To be fair, these forums have always had issues with Radium.
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Len posted:Um yes? Radiation and nuclear power plants are all evil and shouldn't be used, let's stick to the healthy coal power plants. It's really twisted that coal puts more radiation out than nuclear but nobody ever talks about it. Radiation can be bad fine whatever but coal still puts more of that our than nuclear so wouldn't nuclear still make more sense even if it is all about 'omg atoms' ?
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KakerMix posted:It's really twisted that coal puts more radiation out than nuclear but nobody ever talks about it. Radiation can be bad fine whatever but coal still puts more of that our than nuclear so wouldn't nuclear still make more sense even if it is all about 'omg atoms' ? Healthy. Coal. Plants. This message brought to you by Big Coal
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Hedningen posted:To be fair, these forums have always had issues with Radium. Nice!
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KakerMix posted:It's really twisted that coal puts more radiation out than nuclear but nobody ever talks about it. Radiation can be bad fine whatever but coal still puts more of that our than nuclear so wouldn't nuclear still make more sense even if it is all about 'omg atoms' ? Because the word coal sounds almost benign and lovely compared to radiation. Dickens used the lack of using enough coal to demonstrate how miserly Scrooge was. Radiation didn't get the rosy veneer of usefulness. Jaws straight up falling off and people melting in Chernobyl-type situations just have more impact than black lung I suppose? I agree with you, but there's a certain...finality that radiation poisoning leaves people with compared to slowly dying of various coal-related cancers. fizzymercury has a new favorite as of 00:02 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Also worst case scenario a single coal plant can only put out so much radiation whereas a nuclear power plant can put out a whole lot more. But if you come back a little while later there will only be half as much.
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fizzymercy posted:Because the word coal sounds almost benign and lovely compared to radiation. Dickens used the lack of using enough coal to demonstrate how miserly Scrooge was. Radiation didn't get the rosy veneer of usefulness. Jaws straight up falling off and people melting in Chernobyl-type situations just have more impact than black lung I suppose? I agree with you, but there's a certain...finality that radiation poisoning leaves people with compared to slowly dying of various coal-related cancers. Nuclear is new. Coal isn't.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Nuclear is new. You have to be at least a septuagenarian to remember a pre‐atomic age. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 00:40 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Platystemon posted:You have to be at least a septuagenarian to remember a pre‐atomic age. Popular consciousness moves slowly on things.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Popular consciousness moves slowly on things. People are dumb
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When Nuclear Power fails the results tend to be more spectacular, and the human brain zones on the more spectacular. It's why people are more afraid of airplanes than driving, in addition to feeling like they're in control, in a car crash usually only a handful of people die. When a plane goes down, dozens if not over a hundred can die. Coal does more harm on a daily basis but it lacks the oomph of a good nuclear meltdown.
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RagnarokAngel posted:When Nuclear Power fails the results tend to be more spectacular, and the human brain zones on the more spectacular. It's why people are more afraid of airplanes than driving, in addition to feeling like they're in control, in a car crash usually only a handful of people die. When a plane goes down, dozens if not over a hundred can die. Counterpoint: the Tōhoku Tsunami was way more spectacular than the Fukushima Daiichi meltdown, but the meltdown got more attention.
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Platystemon posted:Counterpoint: the Tōhoku Tsunami was way more spectacular than the Fukushima Daiichi meltdown, but the meltdown got more attention. It was great when the multiple, multi-DAY oil refinery fires were completely ignored. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil burning non-stop for days on end in a massive firestorm is way more spectacular than a damaged nuclear plant that mostly just sat there while it was taken care of.
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CommissarMega posted:I'm not American, but if the store's in a Union state, I'd imagine it'd be okay unless a reader has relatives in Richmond. Surprisingly, this was from a Virginia newspaper.
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RagnarokAngel posted:When Nuclear Power fails the results tend to be more spectacular, and the human brain zones on the more spectacular. It's why people are more afraid of airplanes than driving, in addition to feeling like they're in control, in a car crash usually only a handful of people die. When a plane goes down, dozens if not over a hundred can die. That's the reason why people are so loving terrified of terrorism in the US despite the fact the damage they could do is much less than what our own citizens can.
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I would love to see a marketing campaign aimed at promoting radium enhanced clean coal.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Surprisingly, this was from a Virginia newspaper. I am heartened to discover you can be on year 5 of a bloody civil war that's killed your youth, ruined your economy, made your currency all but worthless, and yet people are still excited about store sales.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Surprisingly, this was from a Virginia newspaper. i'm from virginia, and i'm not surprised at all really
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Krispy Kareem posted:I am heartened to discover you can be on year 5 of a bloody civil war that's killed your youth, ruined your economy, made your currency all but worthless, and yet people are still excited about store sales. Get a new jacket with one sleeve half-off.
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I can see Walmart, a few years from now: "New York's been hit, and we're NUKING our prices!"
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Schubalts posted:It was great when the multiple, multi-DAY oil refinery fires were completely ignored. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil burning non-stop for days on end in a massive firestorm is way more spectacular than a damaged nuclear plant that mostly just sat there while it was taken care of. Coal has never had a Chernobyl-level incident that is still loving up everything around it. Granted at this point that's basically impossible thanks to new reactor designs but people remember that. Granted the other side of it is that the fossil fuel industry has very deep pockets, is very old, and really like spending money making everybody else hate anything else. RagnarokAngel posted:When Nuclear Power fails the results tend to be more spectacular, and the human brain zones on the more spectacular. It's why people are more afraid of airplanes than driving, in addition to feeling like they're in control, in a car crash usually only a handful of people die. When a plane goes down, dozens if not over a hundred can die. The other side of that is that a poo poo load of car crashes happen every day. "Coal plant produces a poo poo load of ash, it goes somewhere" just isn't newsworthy because it always happens. Same with crashes; chances are the only people that care are the ones that have the road they're using/are going to use today blocked off and need a different route. Car crashes are also usually not deadly. I've been in like three of them and none of them have led to injuries. Plane crashes and nuclear meltdowns don't happen very often so they're big news. People actually see them but car crashes, unless they're massive and kill dozens of people, are common as hell. poo poo happens every day. Plane crashes do not.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i'm from virginia, and i'm not surprised at all really I spent two years in Virginia as a child and even then I knew that most of the state hated Richmond. hyperhazard posted:I can see Walmart, a few years from now: Bowling Green has massacred deals.
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I think it was a lot easier for the nature of warfare to be underappreciated until after WW2. Sure, someone you love could die, but they could also die any number of things so why blame the abstract concept of war specifically? In the Civil War specifically people would literally make picnics across from battlefields like they were watching a fireworks show on the fourth of July. So, I don't think it's too out of place in that era.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I am heartened to discover you can be on year 5 of a bloody civil war that's killed your youth, ruined your economy, made your currency all but worthless, and yet people are still excited about store sales. Yeah but the Confederacy was bad. If I were a German retailer in 1945, you bet I’d have a “Hitler shot himself and only had one ball LOL” sale. ToxicSlurpee posted:Coal has never had a Chernobyl-level incident that is still loving up everything around it. Centralia Buffalo creek Aberfan No, they’re not exactly the same thing, but I’d rather live in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone that draw my water downstream of most mines. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 20:07 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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WickedHate posted:I think it was a lot easier for the nature of warfare to be underappreciated until after WW2. Sure, someone you love could die, but they could also die any number of things so why blame the abstract concept of war specifically? In the Civil War specifically people would literally make picnics across from battlefields like they were watching a fireworks show on the fourth of July. So, I don't think it's too out of place in that era. I think it's more just human nature to seek out dangerous poo poo like that. Don't tell me that, if the public was given notice, hundreds wouldn't flock to watch a nuclear bomb being dropped, having a picnic on a nearby hill side.
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I think it's more just human nature to seek out dangerous poo poo like that. Don't tell me that, if the public was given notice, hundreds wouldn't flock to watch a nuclear bomb being dropped, having a picnic on a nearby hill side. That is a thing that happened regularly, because the testing range was right outside Vegas. You bet your rear end people had parties to watch those things go off.
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