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The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Snowy posted:

Works for me

it puts to rest the notion fenders can't do high gain

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Dirt
May 26, 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tyg5SJDpiQ
Johnny Winter is albino blues jesus

Schpyder
Jun 13, 2002

Attackle Grackle

Honestly the main reason most older solid-state amps sound like poo poo when pushed is that they were not designed to do so. They were designed to have loads of clean headroom, and if they had a dirt channel, it was likely just the cheapest distortion circuit possible dropped in front of the clean channel. If you're pushing the power amp on an older solid-state to clipping, you're almost certainly letting the magic smoke out of other components, or completely blowing your speaker. Also, most solid-state amps until the dawn of digital modeling were designed to be as cheap as possible.

Tube amps were also of course originally designed not to distort, but thanks to their slew rate, the initiation of tube clipping is much more gradual and the result is much more rounded, giving a pleasant tone. So while that was a happy accident in the 50s, by the 60s and 70s amp designers were designing with tube clipping in mind. Very very few designers ever really designed the amplification stages of solid-state amps to clip softly. Not that they couldn't, but it's kind of a pointless exercise when all you're doing is essentially tossing in a distortion pedal that most players would just buy themselves anyway.

Seymour Duncan has a pretty good blog post about how not only the technologies, but the timing and specific applications of those technologies shaped direction and opinion in the amp industry.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


More pluffnub silliness but lord this is like the most painful thing I have heard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fb6eMT9EWY

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

Schpyder posted:

Honestly the main reason most older solid-state amps sound like poo poo when pushed is that they were not designed to do so. They were designed to have loads of clean headroom, and if they had a dirt channel, it was likely just the cheapest distortion circuit possible dropped in front of the clean channel. If you're pushing the power amp on an older solid-state to clipping, you're almost certainly letting the magic smoke out of other components, or completely blowing your speaker. Also, most solid-state amps until the dawn of digital modeling were designed to be as cheap as possible.

Tube amps were also of course originally designed not to distort, but thanks to their slew rate, the initiation of tube clipping is much more gradual and the result is much more rounded, giving a pleasant tone. So while that was a happy accident in the 50s, by the 60s and 70s amp designers were designing with tube clipping in mind. Very very few designers ever really designed the amplification stages of solid-state amps to clip softly. Not that they couldn't, but it's kind of a pointless exercise when all you're doing is essentially tossing in a distortion pedal that most players would just buy themselves

Traynor TS-series was an exception.

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Sockington posted:

Traynor TS-series was an exception.


youtube searching led me to this and it definitely belongs here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCE52ZVC04I

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



I played that Toto song at work and I think it got me close to getting my rear end kicked. I didn't know that many people could hear until a bunch of them were like DUDE WHAT THE gently caress.

Then I played Hotel California and my friend started laughing so hard he pulled a muscle and had to use all the muscle pain gel from the first aid kit.


Total success.

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That fat, weird looking Canadian SpectreSound guy is the Diners, Drive-ins and Dives of gear reviews: horrifying, obnoxious and strangely compelling.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Snowy posted:

I played that Toto song at work and I think it got me close to getting my rear end kicked. I didn't know that many people could hear until a bunch of them were like DUDE WHAT THE gently caress.

Then I played Hotel California and my friend started laughing so hard he pulled a muscle and had to use all the muscle pain gel from the first aid kit.


Total success.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

HandlingByJebus
Jun 21, 2009

All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world, so there was only one thing I could do:
was ding a ding dang, my dang a long racecar.

It's a love affair. Mainly jebus, and my racecar.

Toto loving rules. Right after Rush, anyway.

I bless the rains down in Africa...

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

HandlingByJebus posted:

Toto loving rules. Right after Rush, anyway.

I bless the rains down in Africa...

My favorite thing about Africa is that you definitely can not see Kilimanjaro from the Serengeti. It's kind of the point of the song but still. Hail Toto.

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That line about blessing the rain down in Africa makes me thinking of our (USA) current president's particular bedroom predilections.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Snowy posted:

I played that Toto song at work and I think it got me close to getting my rear end kicked. I didn't know that many people could hear until a bunch of them were like DUDE WHAT THE gently caress.

Then I played Hotel California and my friend started laughing so hard he pulled a muscle and had to use all the muscle pain gel from the first aid kit.


Total success.

I made someone laugh into discomfort by playing Don't Stop Believin (pitch shifter madness)

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

fyodor posted:

youtube searching led me to this and it definitely belongs here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCE52ZVC04I

The old Y-series Traynors were a lot like Marshalls/Bassmans of the time.


Traynor knew the TS-series was going to sound like poo poo, so they worked out some post-gain smoothing of the sound. The bass player for Shellac uses one, as heard here.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Imgur has bad opinions

http://imgur.com/gallery/gNu5y

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


I'm the ~ * tone lattice * ~ on the last one

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

loving hell right thread. I'll give them the blonde jazz and the Armstrong plexi I guess, but I haven't seen a grotty bush-rear end no-taste collection of junk and poo poo like that since I was a 15 year old drawing in my schoolbooks.

Dirt
May 26, 2003


The first one with giant toxic looking blue streak is kinda cool.

DiscoDickTease
Mar 19, 2009

Hi, boys and girls, I'm Jimmy Carl Black, and I'm the Indian of the group!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgeDzPCbHYg

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Dirt posted:

The first one with giant toxic looking blue streak is kinda cool.

I was going to post the same thing.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

tbf he's marginally more talented and less awkward than most bl00zdads with thousands of dollars worth of equipment they hardly use

also kudos for using his pgp key as a video title

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

A regular old dude jamming at home isn't really stupid music poo poo idk

Content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idY1boBrzso

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Dirt posted:

The first one with giant toxic looking blue streak is kinda cool.

That's the only one that isn't eye searingly awful, but I like how the streak goes up the neck too.

Barnaby Rudge
Jan 15, 2011

so your telling me you wasn't drunk or fucked up in anyway.when you had sex with me and that monkey
Soiled Meat

Dirt posted:

The first one with giant toxic looking blue streak is kinda cool.

That is probably the glow-in-the-dark epoxy resin stuff that people were all excited about last year. It's a cool idea for filling natural voids in wood but it went out of fashion pretty quickly, a few people I know are using it for fret markers though.

Edit: Also I loving hate wooden pick-up rings and knobs, I think they look stupid as poo poo.

Barnaby Rudge
Jan 15, 2011

so your telling me you wasn't drunk or fucked up in anyway.when you had sex with me and that monkey
Soiled Meat
I can't find a better picture as I'm phone posting, but that stuff does glow pretty good.

Queen-Of-Hearts
Mar 17, 2009

"I want to break your heart💔 and give you mine🫀"





Genuinely disappointed that Romeo Rose's abomination of wood wasn't in there.

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Six-Of-Hearts posted:

Genuinely disappointed that Romeo Rose's abomination of wood wasn't in there.

Damnit I just lost the game.

Southern Heel
Jul 2, 2004

ripping an Ed Sheeran song into insane jazz fusion reharmonisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXfQsHT5c30

strangemusic
Aug 7, 2008

I shield you because I need charge
Is not because I like you or anything!


Southern Heel posted:

ripping an Ed Sheeran song into insane jazz fusion reharmonisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXfQsHT5c30

Unironically love this. It's stupid music poo poo, but it's very very smart stupid music poo poo.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
THE CRATE GX 130 IS SURE IS LESSER QUALITY. WHAT A PIECE OF loving GARBAGE. ALMOST A $500.00 PIECE OF poo poo WASN'T EVEN WORTH THAT. I HAD A FENDER BASSMAN WITH 4 12/S FROM THE 70'S IN MINT CONDITION FOR AROUND THE COST OF THAT CRATE. AT THE TIME THE IBANEZ POWERLEAD ROCKED THROUGH THAT SUCKER MAN LET ME TELL YA. MY FRIEND STILL HAS THAT AMP. I AM SO FAR HAPPY WITH MY ORANGE AMP. THE CAB WAS EXPENSIVE MADE GOOD WITH GOOD SPEAKERS. 2/12S IT HAS.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


The Muppets On PCP posted:

THE CRATE GX 130 IS SURE IS LESSER QUALITY. WHAT A PIECE OF loving GARBAGE. ALMOST A $500.00 PIECE OF poo poo WASN'T EVEN WORTH THAT. I HAD A FENDER BASSMAN WITH 4 12/S FROM THE 70'S IN MINT CONDITION FOR AROUND THE COST OF THAT CRATE. AT THE TIME THE IBANEZ POWERLEAD ROCKED THROUGH THAT SUCKER MAN LET ME TELL YA. MY FRIEND STILL HAS THAT AMP. I AM SO FAR HAPPY WITH MY ORANGE AMP. THE CAB WAS EXPENSIVE MADE GOOD WITH GOOD SPEAKERS. 2/12S IT HAS.

okay

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Southern Heel posted:

ripping an Ed Sheeran song into insane jazz fusion reharmonisation:


pretty funny when he made coltrane changes seem way more complicated than they actually are

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Southern Heel posted:

ripping an Ed Sheeran song into insane jazz fusion reharmonisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXfQsHT5c30

God drat that becomes garbage mighty quickly.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Southern Heel posted:

ripping an Ed Sheeran song into insane jazz fusion reharmonisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXfQsHT5c30

This dude's channel is pretty fr*cken neato and I love the joke on metalheads in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c_LeIXrzAk&t=336s

Alleric
Dec 10, 2002

Rambly Bastard...

Southern Heel posted:

ripping an Ed Sheeran song into insane jazz fusion reharmonisation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXfQsHT5c30

drat you, Heel. I just posted about AN in the guitar thread. I hadn't wandered in here yet today. Neely's not stupid though... :(

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So 1 to 10 how stupid music poo poo is it if I have zero electrical engineering experience and I want to build a Klon Centaur clone kit/diy project like this one: https://aionelectronics.com/project/refractor-centaur-overdrive/

??

That is,

I know V=IR :D

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

That one looks like a pain in the rear end cause you gotta source your parts but you can get some easier to do kits w/ instructions that should walk you through, that include all the parts you'll need like this one http://store.generalguitargadgets.com/kc-complete-kit.html

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

fyodor posted:

So 1 to 10 how stupid music poo poo is it if I have zero electrical engineering experience and I want to build a Klon Centaur clone kit/diy project like this one: https://aionelectronics.com/project/refractor-centaur-overdrive/

??

That is,

I know V=IR :D

It's just a matter of knowing how to solder and using a multimeter to make sure nothing's shorted and no solder joints are hosed up. Some stuff like "resistor color code" "how to read a capacitor" and "what's a resistor" you can google or shoot me a PM and I can help out.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Although you may want to start out with a baby mode circuit to practice on before diving into full on clone kits.

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Spanish Manlove posted:

It's just a matter of knowing how to solder and using a multimeter to make sure nothing's shorted and no solder joints are hosed up. Some stuff like "resistor color code" "how to read a capacitor" and "what's a resistor" you can google or shoot me a PM and I can help out.

Thanks that's kind of what i thought.

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