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When is the black-haired OL sea dragon (?) going to show up? She seems like a good character.
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:00 |
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# ? May 11, 2024 16:51 |
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I think soon. They've been going a bit out of order though, so who knows.
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:23 |
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I'm guessing episode after next. Possibly teased next episode. She's a good friend for Kobayashi.
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 01:26 |
Tatum Girlparts posted:I somehow missed that the human girl with the fivehead has a straight up spotlight reflection coming off it when I first watched. She better be a reoccurring character since she's in the opening and all because she's the best human not named Kobayashi I was not expecting that gag and it made me laugh and I am glad they added it in. This adaptation is great and I hope it never stops.
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 02:28 |
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The Colonel posted:this is the real reason symphogear will never get a dub But how do you ham up some engrish in in english?
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 18:53 |
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When do I get the New Game crossover? Obviously with "Chorogon" , it would make total sense that Ahogon would be somewhere right? Right? But seriously, this show gets better each week I think. The first half of the latest one was just like
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 21:32 |
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With the dub stuff, unfortunately the area the dub was made in could have a slight effect on that. Texas, as everyone knows, is the epicenter of fair portrayal of gay characters. But I've always believed that, if you are going to enter a media or production focused job, you should at the very least take some base level media training so that you don't make your company look bad when you respond to fans.
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 22:27 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I somehow missed that the human girl with the fivehead has a straight up spotlight reflection coming off it when I first watched. She better be a reoccurring character since she's in the opening and all because she's the best human not named Kobayashi She's gay as gently caress for Kanna, op
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 22:31 |
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Metal Ray Sunshine posted:With the dub stuff, unfortunately the area the dub was made in could have a slight effect on that. Texas, as everyone knows, is the epicenter of fair portrayal of gay characters. But I've always believed that, if you are going to enter a media or production focused job, you should at the very least take some base level media training so that you don't make your company look bad when you respond to fans. Funimation is in DFW, not Cut and Shoot.
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# ? Feb 4, 2017 22:34 |
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While her reaction was a bit overboard, I can honestly see the translator's point here. Saying "But I'm a woman?" implies that Kobayashi has either somehow never heard of homosexuality or that she thinks of it as something fundamentally weird and abnormal. She did say literally that in Japanese, but Japanese culture itself has some issues with LGBT stuff, so that's not exactly a ringing endorsement either. The dub line is much more neutral reply in English (as it's more of a "okay, you're clearly gay and I respect that, but I'm not interested in reciprocating"), although clearly runs headfirst into some tricky character interpretation problems. Even with the anime going into "they adopted a child together" territory, there's still no real indication that Kobayashi is attracted to Tohru at all. I mean, nothing to deny it either, but I can definitely understand how someone would see it as a straight woman with a gay roommate.
Clarste fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Feb 5, 2017 |
# ? Feb 5, 2017 00:08 |
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Like I said earlier, the sub and original line makes sense for a Kobayashi that is uncertain of her feelings and afraid to stand out. Remember that she initially rejects Tohru for no reason whatsoever other than her own anxiety. So yes, I think the answer literally is that Kobayashi is gay but closeted. Also it's weird if it is actually a rejection that she would then hold hands with Tohru and later bathe with her. So yeah the dub sucks.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 01:49 |
A better translation would have been something like "You know I'm a woman, right?"
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 01:49 |
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Fangz posted:Also it's weird if it is actually a rejection that she would then hold hands with Tohru and later bathe with her. Hard to believe but it's true.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 02:20 |
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It's awkward as hell to be physically intimate with someone who has a one sided crush on you, and vice versa.
Fangz fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Feb 5, 2017 |
# ? Feb 5, 2017 02:25 |
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If Kobayashi says "You know I'm a woman, right" and Tohru keeps throwing herself at her, that means Tohru doesn't care that Kobayashi is a woman. If Kobayashi says "I'm not into women" and Tohru keeps throwing herself at her, that means Tohru doesn't care what Kobayashi wants. It's kind of amazing how much changing that single line completely fucks up the characters.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 02:32 |
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Darox posted:It's possible for women to interact with each other without being lesbians. There's definitely enough plausible deniability in there to consider Tohru and Kobayashi to just have a real close friendship or whatever, but i'd say it's honestly easier to see it as a developing romantic relationship considering stuff like the bathing scene or the blushing with the handholding or the jokes about how Kobayashi now knows how her dad felt when getting lectured by mom. Even if Kobayashi doesn't seem to be sexually interested in her (or anyone) at all.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 02:33 |
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Kobayashi's speech in the latest episode has a lot more meaning if you think she's a closeted lesbian. That being said, there isn't really anything in the story that strictly depends on her orientation.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 02:39 |
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Plausible deniability doesn't mean change the line to "I'm straight, no thanks," is my hot take
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 04:14 |
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You totally could read Kobayashi as not being romantically interested in Tohru, but I don't really see how that would make the story stronger unless the show goes out of its way to make a point about them not needing to be in love, which I don't really expect. As it stands, reading Kobayashi that way mostly just seems to make the story more melancholy than I think it really needs to be. Also yeah, the dub writer was making way more assumptions about Kobayashi's character than seems like a good idea for a localization job.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 04:30 |
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Araki posted:When is the black-haired OL sea dragon (?) going to show up? She seems like a good character. She took a while to show up in the manga, but the anime could speed it up.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 04:46 |
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Space Flower posted:Plausible deniability doesn't mean change the line to "I'm straight, no thanks," is my hot take
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 04:56 |
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There's basically no good reason for the line to be changed, unless the moral of the story is that Tohru can't take a hint. From what I remember of the manga Kobayashi gets mistaken for a man a few times so the original "but I'm a woman?" line fits better. For the anime that would depend on when/if those scenes get adapted but even soGuy Goodbody posted:If Kobayashi says "You know I'm a woman, right" and Tohru keeps throwing herself at her, that means Tohru doesn't care that Kobayashi is a woman. this.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 04:57 |
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In summary: https://twitter.com/takasaki_sister/status/827961250944421888
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 05:05 |
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 05:37 |
Dire Lemming posted:There's basically no good reason for the line to be changed, Sure there is, hypothetically if the lip flaps just couldn't match the original line then they change it. The dub writer on twitter should have just gone with this excuse, jesus is this like their first day on the Internet?
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 05:45 |
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 05:58 |
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chumbler posted:Kobayashi's speech in the latest episode has a lot more meaning if you think she's a closeted lesbian. seriously I danced around it before but now with this dumb poo poo there's no way to pretend there weren't heavy undertones of 'get it, girl who's super into me and I keep being awkward and standoffish with? Society tends to grind down people who are too different or odd, so it's very hard to be 'special' sometimes'. I don't know if this was in the manga or not but the sub is at least very much leaning to 'Kobayashi is probably in the closet'.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 06:57 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:seriously I danced around it before but now with this dumb poo poo there's no way to pretend there weren't heavy undertones of 'get it, girl who's super into me and I keep being awkward and standoffish with? Society tends to grind down people who are too different or odd, so it's very hard to be 'special' sometimes'. I don't know if this was in the manga or not but the sub is at least very much leaning to 'Kobayashi is probably in the closet'. That whole half of the episode was entirely new.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 07:06 |
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chumbler posted:That whole half of the episode was entirely new. It's new-ish, but it uses plot elements from later chapters. Kyoani tends to do their best at expanding adaptations when they know the direction of where the original is heading towards, so a lot of new stuff in the anime is dabbling into themes that are more established in the manga.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 07:15 |
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They're good at adding and expanding yeah. Like in the manga a spontaneous gift for Kanna becomes two connected scenes in ep 4.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 07:38 |
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Kobayashi is as straight as uncooked spaghetti, and Tohru's bringing the steam
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 10:22 |
Space Flower posted:They're good at adding and expanding yeah. Like in the manga a spontaneous gift for Kanna becomes two connected scenes in ep 4. Yeah, I think it was just some generic charm or something? I can't even remember. But they turned it into a cute scene.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 11:37 |
Rodenthar Drothman posted:I just found out the OP song has a music video. I think the OP is cuter. An extended OP would make my year s2g Macdoo fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 12:16 |
Also thank you to all of you for defending the TRUE and GOOD gay dragon mom show from homophobes
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 12:31 |
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This show is good and gay as hell, I like it a lot, thanks for reading and God bless
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 12:57 |
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Yeah honestly it comes down to that point about making assumptions about the character that the original writers didn't assert. It's putting words into the original author's mouth and that's something you really need to avoid as a translator, cause it can get you in trouble.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 15:09 |
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Macdoo posted:Also thank you to all of you for defending the TRUE and GOOD gay dragon mom show from homophobes sometimes a family is a mom and a dad, sometimes a family is just a mom or just a dad, sometimes a family is two moms or two dads. Sometimes a family is a bunch of dragons and an office lady who likes maids way too much. These are all good families.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 18:39 |
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I'm sorry but an Office Lady is one thing but a Programmer? That's just gross.
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# ? Feb 5, 2017 21:48 |
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Macdoo posted:An extended OP would make my year s2g I, for one, am glad that people like the dwagon show enough to debate the finer points of translating it because it's important to them. Also this: Tatum Girlparts posted:sometimes a family is a mom and a dad, sometimes a family is just a mom or just a dad, sometimes a family is two moms or two dads. Sometimes a family is a bunch of dragons and an office lady who likes maids way too much. These are all good families.
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# ? Feb 6, 2017 05:43 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:seriously I danced around it before but now with this dumb poo poo there's no way to pretend there weren't heavy undertones of 'get it, girl who's super into me and I keep being awkward and standoffish with? Society tends to grind down people who are too different or odd, so it's very hard to be 'special' sometimes'. I don't know if this was in the manga or not but the sub is at least very much leaning to 'Kobayashi is probably in the closet'. kobayashi reads as a trans man (and you know, in the closet) to me, but same deal
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# ? Feb 6, 2017 06:44 |