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SuperMechagodzilla posted:What do you consider the best-written film in the same genre as the prequels? Krull
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Zeris posted:The Fifth Element Are you quoting Tezzor, because he said he liked that too. But come on, Fifth Element? Have you watched that in the last 15 years? It has everything people claim to hate about the prequels, it's just not Star Wars so it gets a pass.
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Are there any other science fiction films (at least, to the extent that Star Wars is science fiction) that take place in a setting that doesn't contain an Earth? I think this might be one of the more unique elements of the Star Wars films.
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Spaceballs, of course. And who can forget Starcrash? (More seriously, I don't think "Old Earth" is mentioned anywhere in Lynch's Dune.) Schwarzwald posted:Are there any other science fiction films (at least, to the extent that Star Wars is science fiction) that take place in a setting that doesn't contain an Earth? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Feb 3, 2017 19:01
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I considered saying fantasy instead, but I didn't want to inadvertently lead to a derail on whether or not the Lord of the Rings or whatever takes place on "actual" Earth. It does seem to be a rare thing, though, even if you include fantasy. The few films I can think of that come close don't have human characters.
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Lotr is on this earth.
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euphronius posted:Lotr is on this earth. He means Lord of the Rings not Lord of the Ratings
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Schwarzwald posted:Are there any other science fiction films (at least, to the extent that Star Wars is science fiction) that take place in a setting that doesn't contain an Earth? Known Star Wars ripoff Battle Beyond the Stars.
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The 5th Elements
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Schwarzwald posted:Are there any other science fiction films (at least, to the extent that Star Wars is science fiction) that take place in a setting that doesn't contain an Earth? The Riddick trilogy.
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Sir Kodiak posted:The Riddick trilogy. They have Muslims and Space Mecca so Earth exists.
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Bongo Bill posted:Known Star Wars ripoff Battle Beyond the Stars. Nah, George Peppard's character (I think that's him) makes references to old Earth on occasion.
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Hm, you're right.
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Well they're trying to find Earth in BSG, so that's partway there.
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Is Chronicles of Riddick good? I remember liking it a lot when it came out but I haven't seen it in forever.
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It's not good at all but i think it's entertaining
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If it's not good, would we open palm slam the VHS into the VCR every morning and perform the moves we see on screen?
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UmOk posted:Is Chronicles of Riddick good? I remember liking it a lot when it came out but I haven't seen it in forever. It's got some great setpieces and not much else, but those setpieces are enough to carry the movie to the end. It makes me sad that we got Vin Diesel growling at a space dog in a desert for two hours instead of a better-written sequel, because the visual design of Chronicles is great.
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I think you mean "an Earth" as in an analogue to Earth right? So a common point of origin for humans/society? The EU (I think KOTOR) hinted at this but in the context of the movies it's not clear.
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Silver Brushes posted:I think you mean "an Earth" as in an analogue to Earth right? So a common point of origin for humans/society? The EU (I think KOTOR) hinted at this but in the context of the movies it's not clear. I meant "an Earth" both because portrayals of the planet can vary wildly between different stories and because it's relatively common for it to be renamed (often to Terra) as an easy way to establish that a story takes place in the future where nouns are different now. I'm not sure I agree that it's not clear in the context of the movies. The very fact that it's never brought up speaks to, if not the an absence of an Earth, at least the irrelevance of Earth. And while every planet in the series is somewhat analogous, they are still quite explicitly someplace else.
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Star Wars happened a long time ago. Maybe Hand Sorbo was an ancient alien.
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There is space media that are virtually Earthless, in that Earth is casually absent from the story and equally (ir)relevant to all its locations, but still mentioned in passing to add detail to the setting and/or explain why the characters are portrayed by human actors. Now that I think of it, the early entries in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series were Earthless, but later ones made it explicit that the forgotten and irrelevant origin planet was not only Earth, but the same Earth as some of his other novels, which is demonstrated when a character goes there. Similarly, the early volumes of Yoshiki Tanaka's Legend of the Galactic Heroes series make no reference to Earth except that it's a neglected, depleted, and depopulated backwater, but later gains prominence as the subject of the political obsessions of a radical cult. Both these stories feature a Galactic Empire that dominates the setting. Similar to this is the TV series Firefly, which remarks its population is descended from emigrants from Earth and never goes back there, and which has a polity that is certainly imperial but calls itself an Alliance. All three are rather more ambiguous than the Galactic Empire of Star Wars.
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Dune is similar, in that while the Earth is irrelevant it is still a real place in the setting that exists, or at least once existed.
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Going back to the parsec talk, Lucas's own explanation (given on the DVD commentary for ANH iirc) is that Han actually was using legitimate terminology to describe an actual thing: hyperdrive speed is described using distance units because speed is determined primarily by how efficient your computer is at calculating routes around obstructions in space. Han was just bullshitting about having actually completed the Kessel Run in that short of a distance. I mean, Lucas's explanation is itself obviously just an after-the-fact justification for him having used a technical term wrong*, but I think it still establishes artist's intent that Han isn't a complete loving idiot who doesn't know how space works, he's just a boastful liar. Does it really matter, though? The point is that Han is lying. He didn't complete the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. *Though it must be noted, it is the same explanation he gave to licensors when writing universe guidelines a few months after the movie came out: George Lucas, August 1977 posted:“It’s of Corellian design, from Crell, and is used primarily by the Corellian spice shippers. They transport their goods to the center of the Empire. The Corellian ship is a very easy ship to know. It’s a very simple ship, very economical ship, although the modifications he made to it are rather extensive—mostly to the navigation system to get through hyperspace in the shortest possible distance (par-sects). Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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I hope this plays over the credits.
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I'm a fan of skeletons in general.
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Bongo Bill posted:There is space media that are virtually Earthless, in that Earth is casually absent from the story and equally (ir)relevant to all its locations, but still mentioned in passing to add detail to the setting and/or explain why the characters are portrayed by human actors. To what I'm sure was many's chagrin, The Clone Wars actually establishes that, in a sense, all life in the Star Wars galaxy ultimately sprang from a common source, in that the midi-chlorians that make all life possible originated on a single, mysterious planet at the center of the galaxy and somehow dispersed throughout the rest of the galaxy in a grand cosmic fertilization. In typical Star Wars fashion, it's basically the myth of the Garden of Eden crossed with an extreme version of the scientific theory of panspermia. And appropriately enough, it's where Yoda travels in order to learn the secret of immortality. Though it should be noted that while the physical planet, which appears as a barren ice rock, is clearly real, the lush Edenic interior from which the midi-chlorians ostensibly originated and which Yoda travels to is much more ambiguous and ethereal. Artoo is there with Yoda on the surface and can't detect any signs of life with his mechanical sensors, even though Yoda senses a powerful life presence in the interior through the Force. Yoda entrusts Artoo with his lightsaber (he leaves his weapon behind, just as he instructs Luke to do when entering the quasi-mystical cave on Dagobah), and travels into the interior alone. So it's not exactly clear how literal of a place the interior of the planet is, or how much it is literally the "birthplace" of the midi-chlorians. (Though there are visible throngs of luminous plasma shooting out from geysers all over the planet and stretching out in all directions through space.) I think, much after the fashion of midi-chlorians themselves, the planet is an ambiguously physical and ambiguously mystical place. It's like if a knight during the Middle Ages were to travel to Ethiopia, fly up to the summit of a mountain on a hippogriff, pass through a wall of blinding light, and then wake up in the Eden of Biblical myth. When he returned again to the mundane world, who could say where he had really traveled to? 
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To me, the arc that ends season 6 is meant to play a counterpoint to an earlier, similar storyline where Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka get lost inside a giant Sith holocron and discover some weird metaphor planet with people-creatures that represent the literal Dark Side, Light Side and Force. (I just saw a short interview with David Feloni which says George Lucas was very involved with the Mortis arc and ended up cutting out some Sith lords from KOTOR that he decided didn't agree with how he saw the Force, so while I think my broader points have merit this episode isn't a fuckup by somebody else or anything.) Mostly people confuse the Force with Taoism (and yin and yang) when it's actually Buddhism in space, except the Buddhists are hypocrites and idiots and we should be listening to This is why 'grey' characters like Mace Windu fail. They set the universe up to be a dichotomy that they're defying, when all they're doing is acting 'unethically, but not unethically enough to be evil'. The willingness to be evil in order to stop a greater evil is what leads to the Dark Side, not 'feeling emotions' or whatever. e: on a lighter note, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfcu_dhwVA4&t=141s ungulateman fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Neo Rasa posted:It's just a dril tweet but Star Wars. you're right. that is just like a dril tweet
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So I guess MTV or whoever made this when the cast for TFA was announced or something. This picture is awesome to me because of how wrong they were about the various roles these actors eventually portrayed. Jedi Boyega and Jedi Gleeson are great. Also Boba Adam Driver and there's Andy Serkis with a gun. Mark Hamill looks more tired than Harrison Ford and obviously Daisy Ridley is a princess.
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AndyElusive posted:So I guess MTV or whoever made this when the cast for TFA was announced or something. That Snoke looks way cooler than the one in the movie
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Domnhall Gleeson will portray a Young Obi Wan (Ewan) and the cycle will continue
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AndyElusive posted:So I guess MTV or whoever made this when the cast for TFA was announced or something. drat, idiots couldn't even predict c3-po's new red arm
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Are you quoting Tezzor, because he said he liked that too. But come on, Fifth Element? Have you watched that in the last 15 years? It has everything people claim to hate about the prequels, it's just not Star Wars so it gets a pass. Fifth Element is 1) tongue in cheek & intentionally campy with far less room for debate than Star Wars and 2) banking off the former, it simply isn't held up to the same expectations and therefore has a greater freedom to be whatever it wants, receive recognition for what works and forgiveness for what doesn't, and so establishes itself more remarkably. It's less limited by the form. No, I am not quoting tezzor and don't care about or want to deal with that derail buzzword or name whatever it is
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I don't mind Fifth Element, it's fun in its own way, but in general I want my fantasy space adventures to be a little more in earnest. I see what you're saying, but I'd probably rather watch Attack of the Clones 4 out of 5 times over that.
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the writers for the clone wars are the greatest  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2sjvbtk1kw&t=99s (hello there)
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Is there a non-pain-in-the-rear end way to view/download Harmy's Despecialzed Edition? On a Mac, if that matters.
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Got what might be a bit of an odd question, but it'll help on a project I'm putting together. A New Hope was directly influenced by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress, but in space, and with robots, rather than peasants. Eragon is A New Hope, but with dragons and worse dialogue. Can anyone think of any other book/movies/whatever that directly follow the plot of A New Hope?
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I mean ANH is a pretty traditional 12 steps of a hero with traditional 3 act structure
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Got what might be a bit of an odd question, but it'll help on a project I'm putting together. The Force Awakens 
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