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Bates posted:Well they're basically fighting for control of resources and strategic assets in space right? So the victor would take the spoils even if neither has any interest in wiping out or invading the home turf of the other. Sure, but none of the non-earth spoils include food and oxygen that can sustain either mars or the belt, let alone both. Mars could probably remain self sufficient if they turned inwards, let the belt die, and focused entirely on life support. That wouldn't be a good plan.
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Pharmaskittle posted:Yeah, the U.S. has had unquestionable air superiority in every recent war, but you still can't really do anything but nearly indiscriminately kill people with it alone. You can level a capital city into dirt, but you're going to mostly kill people who weren't fighting you in the first place, and it makes it harder to get what you want out of everyone who saw you do it. Earth is more useful to Mars as a tense ally or even hostile trade partner than a hosed up hostage state or lifeless rock. To do anything productive with a war, they'd have to land troops, and they'd have 100% casualties if they did that. One of the enduring themes from the novels is that Earth and Mars have a respect for each other based on MAD principles, and basically everyone on a gravity-well biome is well-aware of how proper hosed humanity is if a conflict escalates beyond conventional warfare to scorched earth. With the Epstein drives and remote guidance, it's trivially easy to accelerate dense masses to speeds that hit Earth/Luna/Mars/Asteroid bases with enough energy to put the largest nukes to shame. If the TV series continues to follow the narrative thread of the books, this point will be reinforced several times. The Belters are the unpredictable wild card simply because they're super angry and used to scraping a tenuous existence out in the scarcity of the outer planets. tooterfish posted:Yeah, well... Draper might be my favorite character from a books, and IIRC that was one pretty well-written chapter when she goes down to Earth, chats with a friendly barista, has a kick-rear end coffee, and realizes that Earth isn't populated entirely by schlubs on rascal scooters sucking on the welfare teat. Snowman Crossing fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Speaking of Epstein drives and scorching, PDCs and missiles are cool, but I want to see the Roci slag something with its main drive.
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I really want one of those MCRN mugs. I assumed it was just something from Stanley with a coat of paint but I see nothing like it.
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Snowman Crossing posted:One of the enduring themes from the novels is that Earth and Mars have a respect for each other based on MAD principles, and basically everyone on a gravity-well biome is well-aware of how proper hosed humanity is if a conflict escalates beyond conventional warfare to scorched earth. With the Epstein drives and remote guidance, it's trivially easy to accelerate dense masses to speeds that hit Earth/Luna/Mars/Asteroid bases with enough energy to put the largest nukes to shame. If the TV series continues to follow the narrative thread of the books, this point will be reinforced several times. The Belters are the unpredictable wild card simply because they're super angry and used to scraping a tenuous existence out in the scarcity of the outer planets. Yeah, I've read the books, but I'm trying to stick to only show knowledge in this thread since I don't want to spoil anything, even in tags. I want to bullshit about the show and the actual book thread is a lot slower than this one.
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Mu Zeta posted:I really want one of those MCRN mugs. I assumed it was just something from Stanley with a coat of paint but I see nothing like it. Got your back. Emsa 180ml City cup https://www.emsa.com/en/products/mobile-enjoyment/thermo-mugs/city-cup/ I think it's the red one thats aged and badged.
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Rocksicles posted:Got your back. Would pay real money for a Rocinante coffee cup. Also, nice catch.
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I want the drat log on it too. But thanks, I think Amazon has it.
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Kesper North posted:Would pay real money for a Rocinante coffee cup. Also, nice catch. My 5 years lurking a props forum, has paid off at last
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Reminds me of when I noticed that the mug on the Mass Effect 3 loading screen is an Ikea FARGRIK mug
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Subyng posted:No I agree with mastershakeman. Yes they were using the station as cover, so why wasn't the stealth ship attempting to maneuver around it to get a clear shot? Maybe it was, but the way the scene was presented it seemed like the stealth ship wasn't really doing anything. Maybe waiting for the Roci to pop out of cover?
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404notfound posted:Reminds me of when I noticed that the mug on the Mass Effect 3 loading screen is an Ikea FARGRIK mug To be fair, Bioware stole art assets in that game from everywhere, not to mention story elements and even music beats.
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R-Type posted:To be fair, Bioware stole art assets in that game from everywhere, not to mention story elements and even music beats. Is there a good summary out there?
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Rocksicles posted:You're imagining a very specific weapon to win your point. The missiles those ships fired at the Cant made a hell of a mess I wasn't trying to win my point, I was just being pedantic
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The sheer scope of merch SyFy should have available by now is ridiculous, way beyond t-shirts and mugs. (Because $30+ for a t-shirt on Redbubble? The gently caress outta here.) I would end up in the poor house, but I'd be surrounded by awesome Expanse bullshit.
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Tom Janes and Amos continue to be the best parts of this show. I'm slogging my way through the latest book and those episodes reminded me that the series used to be sort of fun.
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KatWithHands posted:The sheer scope of merch SyFy should have available by now is ridiculous, way beyond t-shirts and mugs. (Because $30+ for a t-shirt on Redbubble? The gently caress outta here.) I would end up in the poor house, but I'd be surrounded by awesome Expanse bullshit. I was too busy getting married last year during the Overwatch craze to get any done, but I might make some PUR KLEEN shirts or something. What else would be good? Drop me a PM with suggestions.
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Professor Shark posted:Tom Janes and Amos continue to be the best parts of this show. I'm slogging my way through the latest book and those episodes reminded me that the series used to be sort of fun. Yeah, it's kind of hard for the series to continue to be fun after a handful of terrorists kill 20 billion people.
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Thanks man, i just rolled over that by accident.
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The TV series will certainly stop being fun, too, if they're going to spend more than one episode on the fourth book.
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Just a friendly reminder that the book thread exists and is a lovely place, if a bit quiet at the moment. I'm sure no one would mind if you speculate or muse about the future of the TV adaptation in there too.
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grilldos posted:Not all of Season 2's first pair of episodes is bad. The CGI battle scenes were a joy to watch, and all of the Miller scenes (with the exception of the Thoth Invasion) were fantastic, which I feel is mostly due to Tom Jane and the Roci actors. Tom Jane forces a scene to pace well. If you compare his scenes of Season 2 with Bobbie's, it's a night and day difference. He pauses, he collects himself physically. Do you remember how many scenes in the first season involved Tom Jane taking his time to do blocking bits like Stand Up or Cross A Room? It was all the loving time. Characters are drat near still in Season 2 unless the scene actively calls for something different. This is all good criticism. I liked both season 2 kickoff episodes and will watch out the remainder of the show enthusiastically but I think you're right on, with a little more attention episode 2 could have been improved significantly. My question re: the Thoth station boarding is... what the heck? Command and control between the stealth ship, Dresden, and the security team seems to have been weak. Dresden seems to have just been chatting normally when Miller finally walked in to his computer screen room. Wouldn't he have been notified by somebody that the station's gun was actively engaging boarding pods, and that the stealth ship had engaged a hostile vessel? Secondly, apparently there were some kind of private mercenary security teams on the station. If you were a security team armed with gel-firing non-lethal weapons, would you respond to a potentially hostile boarding pod? I think you'd get the lethal weapons from the armory before responding. You certainly wouldn't fire exactly one non-lethal round at a bunch of armed guys who just blasted their way on board your top secret station. And then that entire security team all got wiped out by apparent blind fire through a wall? Wasn't sure exactly what happened there. mastershakeman posted:I honestly didn't like the ship fight at the end since it seemed like the enemy ship took a nap instead of trying to get an angle on them to use a railgun Subyng posted:No I agree with mastershakeman. Yes they were using the station as cover, so why wasn't the stealth ship attempting to maneuver around it to get a clear shot? Maybe it was, but the way the scene was presented it seemed like the stealth ship wasn't really doing anything. Maybe waiting for the Roci to pop out of cover? I liked the ship fight a lot too. When it was happening I made the same nit-pick. They could have amped up the idea that stealth ship was actively working to get an angle on the Rocinante somehow. My further nit-pick however is that the stealth ship fired exactly two missiles to destroy the 2nd OPA ship. I would have thought after the first two missiles were intercepted the stealth ship might have continued trying to blast the 2nd OPA ship.
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Mu Zeta posted:I want the drat log on it too. But thanks, I think Amazon has it. Hrm, they do and the red version is now four times as expensive as the others.
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gfarrell80 posted:Dresden seems to have just been chatting normally when Miller finally walked in to his computer screen room. Wouldn't he have been notified by somebody that the station's gun was actively engaging boarding pods, and that the stealth ship had engaged a hostile vessel? I took this as an attempt to play up the perception of Dresden as an obsessively focused scientist in the middle of absolutely critical work, and/or someone who's so convinced in the necessity of said work that he expects to easily sway anyone who shows up waving a gun (and, well, he's not wrong, given he appeared to convince Fred at the least). The security team thing's harder to defend; narratively, it was clearly to highlight that the (non-Dresden) scientists required forcible but nonlethal containment. But yea, you'd think a shady cabal that can finance stealth ships and advanced assault teams would be able to cope with "this station's ground forces need both nonlethal and lethal capabilities, maybe we should issue 2 sets of firearms and/or just have 2 different squads."
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Hi TVIV this made me laugh and I hope the low budget fun continues:
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https://zippy.gfycat.com/AgileBasicCleanerwrasse.mp4 Can I embed this full‐res version? Let us see. e: Yes, but it breaks tables. 1080p Platystemon fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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fyodor posted:Hi TVIV this made me laugh and I hope the low budget fun continues: That's gotta be a total gently caress up... i haven't seen anything that cheap in 12 episodes
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fyodor posted:Hi TVIV this made me laugh and I hope the low budget fun continues:
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When they showed a flashback to the belter insurrection at Anderson station it was also cheap. When it's getting pummeled with weapons you see explosions and everyone stumble around except for the lovely child actors who stand completely still.
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The best effects in the episode: https://giant.gfycat.com/DisastrousQuickLamprey.mp4
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Platystemon posted:The best effects in the episode: One of the coolest things I've seen in a sci fi show in a long time, probably since the first season when the medic's head got blown away
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fyodor posted:Hi TVIV this made me laugh and I hope the low budget fun continues: Yeah that was absurd, it almost felt like an intentional joke with how awful it was. And you even see the starfield moving sideways opposite of the direction the station's spin, what could possibly make someone fall downwards in that situation.
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Yeah if they just made the starfield move in the right direction, it probably could have worked.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CaraGeeeee/status/828085015686823936
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Dominique Tipper mentioned that on her twitter earlier this week, went over my head. Man, I love Thomas Jane. Hung is your Magnum Opus sir. https://twitter.com/ExpanseSyfy/status/827012257162878978 Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Best line in the premiere https://giant.gfycat.com/SmallGiantDugong.mp4
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Is that Fred Johnson's number 1?
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Kingtheninja posted:Is that Fred Johnson's number 1? Chief of security on Tycho.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:And you even see the starfield moving sideways opposite of the direction the station's spin, what could possibly make someone fall downwards in that situation. Am I missing something here? What was supposed to happen?
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tooterfish posted:He isn't falling downwards, he's being flung outwards. Because the only thing that stops that from happening on a spinning station is the floor. He should have been flung along the trajectory the stars in the background are going. Also it looks ridiculous WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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