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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:Obviously buying out Fleury is the failsafe, although it's possible he somehow gets hurt at the end of the season and can't be bought out (that's a thing right?) The idea would be you tell Vegas hey we'll offer you xyz if you don't take Murray and you can still take whoever in the expansion draft (Hagelin, etc). If you don't want that deal we're just going to buy out Maf instead and you'll still get the same player you're getting now but without the additional picks + prospects. Obviously Vegas could renege on that I guess and take Murray in the expansion draft anyways but NHL gms generally don't do backstabbing poo poo like that. And it's a stupid idea on the Pens' part because there's no reason to give up picks and prospects just to keep both Maf and Murray. I'd rather take a cap penalty since keeping Maf is basically a cap penalty anyways. But my GMs have been morons about Maf for years so I'm not holding my breath that they do the right thing.
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Ginette Reno posted:But my GMs have been morons about Maf for years so I'm not holding my breath that they do the right thing. All GMs are good, just not the one for your teams. Unless you're the Browns.
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iospace posted:All GMs are good 
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iospace posted:Aren't international rinks bigger? Yes. It seems to be a reasonably popular suggestion that the NHL adopt international rink sizes with the aim of opening up the game and increasing scoring, but whether that will actually be the result is more or less speculative. Plus owners would never go for it because they'd have less seats to sell. Ginette Reno posted:The idea would be you tell Vegas hey we'll offer you xyz if you don't take Murray and you can still take whoever in the expansion draft (Hagelin, etc). If you don't want that deal we're just going to buy out Maf instead and you'll still get the same player you're getting now but without the additional picks + prospects. The NHL has to approve all trades though, if they're letting Vegas trade promises to not pick certain players in return for draft picks and players, I'd assume that means the NHL will enforce those conditions. e: also carl hagelin's out with a concussion after catching a chicken wing to the face in the last game 
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Looking at Hagelin's point totals alone is deceiving. He doesn't play the power play, but his production at even strength is outstanding. He put up 37 ESP last year - for comparable, three guys who put up 38 ESP were Giroux (22g 67p), Stamkos (36g 64p), and Perry (34g 62a) - likely with more ice time. He's one of the best at filling the secondary scoring role, and that also overlaps with being one of the best defensive forwards outside of the elites.
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iospace posted:All GMs are good, just not the one for your teams. Forget the GM of the Canucks (who is provably a moron) have you seen how the Stars are doing this year?
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Zodijackylite posted:Looking at Hagelin's point totals alone is deceiving. He doesn't play the power play, but his production at even strength is outstanding. He put up 37 ESP last year - for comparable, three guys who put up 38 ESP were Giroux (22g 67p), Stamkos (36g 64p), and Perry (34g 62a) - likely with more ice time. He's one of the best at filling the secondary scoring role, and that also overlaps with being one of the best defensive forwards outside of the elites. His point production (or lack thereof) doesn't even bother me because like I said he's so incredible away from the puck. He forechecks and backchecks like his life depends on it.
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Nill used up all his mana on big trades and has none left to competently manage depth oh and also something about goaltending but I'm sure it isn't important. E: Oh, right, defence. Yeah, probably also not important.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Gretzky was also a really great player deep into the 90's. In 98 he was 1 point off 2nd for scoring when he was 37, his back was shot and he was on a crap team. yes he was still a point per game + player in his mid 30's in the dead puck era
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Ginette Reno posted:The idea would be you tell Vegas hey we'll offer you xyz if you don't take Murray and you can still take whoever in the expansion draft (Hagelin, etc). If you don't want that deal we're just going to buy out Maf instead and you'll still get the same player you're getting now but without the additional picks + prospects. OK yeah that makes more sense. I didn't think of the "or we buy him out anyways" idea. So Vegas would get whatever picks/depth/prospects plus the guy they'd take anyways, and Pittsburgh gets to keep both goalies. That works.
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olli maatta has been on such a downward trajectory, it's so disappointing. even at only 22, you want to see signs of progress, not a YoY decline. obviously the injuries (amount and type) he's had are a huge factor, but it's really hard to stay excited about him right now. definitely would pick dumo over him right now, that's not even close and yeah, hags is such a great player. didn't know that about his ES scoring being so high, that's cool. but it's really amazing how many turnovers he creates with his speed, particularly on the forecheck
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Man I remember when Matta was going to be one of the Next Big Things. Has it just been injuries?
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the rangers could have had all of the good players they have now and also anton stralman and keith yandle and carl hagelin and not marc staal or dan girardi. haha.. ahh.
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The big thing I've seen with Maatta is that his injuries have derailed offseason training for him and that hurt his development. Off-season surgery, then cancer, then reinjuring that shoulder and needing surgery again. Then Brooks Orpik bonked him in the head. While he doesn't have Bennett levels of injuries, it's definitely been a detriment to his ability to bulls on a season.
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Schremp Howard posted:The big thing I've seen with Maatta is that his injuries have derailed offseason training for him and that hurt his development. Off-season surgery, then cancer, then reinjuring that shoulder and needing surgery again. Then Brooks Orpik bonked him in the head. While he doesn't have Bennett levels of injuries, it's definitely been a detriment to his ability to bulls on a season. yeah that's the story. the noticeable thing is that he's just extremely slow, which means he's out of position a lot and gets beaten way too easily. on the one hand, he should probably be as fast as he'll ever be at 22 years old, but obviously the lack of off-season training could be a factor here. but it still doesn't make me feel too confident in the next few years of his play -- how many players get faster through their mid to late 20s? i also feel like he's been making stupid plays more frequently, which makes me nervous about his overall hockey IQ. i think there's probably a bit of a confidence issue though, stemming from the speed problem. his early NHL and olympic experience really seemed to show a player with solid play- and decision-making abilities, which feels like something that would be more likely to grow with age than decline, so it's even weirder to see some of the passes olli's tried to make
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Maatta was slow even in his rookie season, and skating speed isn't something you can easily improve at the NHL level. His speed is what it is and I don't think a long off season of training will help it much. The question is how effective can he be with that skating? He seems okay as #4 or so dman when he's playing smart which is most of the time, but when he gets away from that hoo boy does he look bad because he doesn't have the speed to make up for bad reads.
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To go back into Gretzky-chat for just a bit, I've always thought this quote by Pumpkers about coach Gretzky in Phoenix is just great:quote:I think he would've been a good coach for an experienced team. We had a pretty young team then. I did learn a lot from him, though. He saw the game like no one else, which I think was a bit of a detriment to him as a coach. He saw the game so differently than a normal player. He had a regular saying; if you had the puck on a 3-on-3, came down the wing and took a shot on net, '99' would ask when you came in for a change: "what did you do?' I said that I think I had a pretty good shot on net. The he'd say 'No no! You button-hook, then you find the third wave coming in. Not the first defenseman coming up, but the second. That's where you want to hit your pass.' I was like gently caress, I can't find that guy! This whole article "The Diary of the Misunderstood Chief" by the Finnish broadcasting company is a fantastic read, shame that it's just in Finnish: http://yle.fi/urheilu/3-7935038
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larkko posted:To go back into Gretzky-chat for just a bit, I've always thought this quote by Pumpkers about coach Gretzky in Phoenix is just great: I Google translated it and it said this and I started laughing: quote:Yle Sports and Olli Jokinen got their teeth into Finnish legend a long career tastiest stories.  e: hahaha it said this too quote:Olli Jokista is expected to continue as a player and as a person in his mouth a cigar-smoking cock boy who Helsinki Arena to celebrate youth world championship gold medals in winter 1998. Cigar smoking cock boy
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larkko posted:To go back into Gretzky-chat for just a bit, I've always thought this quote by Pumpkers about coach Gretzky in Phoenix is just great: http://deadspin.com/5974950/i-was-wayne-gretzkys-hungover-linemate-an-nhl-journeyman-picks-the-wrong-night-to-drink
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Ginette Reno posted:e: hahaha it said this too Pictured: one cigar smoking cock boy  T-Bone posted:http://deadspin.com/5974950/i-was-wayne-gretzkys-hungover-linemate-an-nhl-journeyman-picks-the-wrong-night-to-drink Oh this looks awesome, thanks for the link! larkko fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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My favourite Gretzky stat is his number of 100+ assist seasons. Three players in NHL history have ever recorded 100+ assists in a season: Mario Lemieux did it once. Bobby Orr did it once. Gretzky did it 11 seasons consecutively
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Ginette Reno posted:Maatta was slow even in his rookie season, and skating speed isn't something you can easily improve at the NHL level. His speed is what it is and I don't think a long off season of training will help it much. The question is how effective can he be with that skating? He seems okay as #4 or so dman when he's playing smart which is most of the time, but when he gets away from that hoo boy does he look bad because he doesn't have the speed to make up for bad reads. I've heard people say that it's pretty tough to improve your skating a noticeable amount by the time you're at the NHL level because to really make a big jump you'd have to rework your skating stride altogether and that'd be going against a lifetime of habit and skating style. Unless you have some really terrible and obvious flaws that can easily be fixed then by the time you get to the NHL (and the odds of making it that far if you're really a terrible skater seem low) it's probably some very small gains to be made and stuff like strengthening your core muscles and lower body plays a much bigger role in improving balance and stuff and going from slow skater to fast skater isn't really possible Levitate fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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T-Bone posted:http://deadspin.com/5974950/i-was-wayne-gretzkys-hungover-linemate-an-nhl-journeyman-picks-the-wrong-night-to-drink hell yeah my boy Sean Pronger
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That book is about as well written as you would expect, but a pretty enjoyable light read.
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Vancouver drafting Sean Pronger in the 2nd round after a 10 point season at Bowling Green is really funny to me. time is like a flat circle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnzZZ7cduQ Every point Gretzky and Lemieux scored during the '87 Canada Cup Messier - Gretzky - Lemieux Bourque - Coffey seems like a pretty solid pp unit
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A Typical Goon posted:My favourite Gretzky stat is his number of 100+ assist seasons. Three players in NHL history have ever recorded 100+ assists in a season: Mario Lemieux did it once. Bobby Orr did it once. Gretzky did it 11 seasons consecutively There's a lot of great Gretzky stats. I like the one where he scored a 1000 points over a 5-season stretch. For comparison, Ovechkin just passed 1000 in his 12th season. My argument for Gretzky being the greatest of all-time (well, in a three-way tie with Howe, and Orr) over Lemieux is that while Lemieux could have achieved Gretzky's numbers, Gretzky actually did achieve them. Lemieux makes for a solid #4.
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CSN has a good breakdown of Caps backup goalie Grubauer, the German wall. http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-capitals/almost-everything-else-caps-goaltending-has-been-ridiculous quote:Among goaltenders who have appeared in at least 15 games, Braden Holtby and Philipp Grubauer rank among the top four in both save percentage (Holtby boasts a .929/4th, while Grubauer has a .931/3rd) and goals against average (Holtby has miniscule 1.99/tied for 3rd, while Grubi checks in with a slightly better 1.98/2nd.)
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/davegisaac/status/828644445486727168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/davegisaac/status/828638347602059266 #RESIST #NOTMYCOACH
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Shawn Cotureier posted:https://twitter.com/davegisaac/status/828638347602059266 I'm not even a flyers fan and think that's pretty re-goddamn-tarded.
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Oh I'm also glad that this is a regularly updated thing now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hfeMiG4cU
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Duke Chin posted:Oh I'm also glad that this is a regularly updated thing now: these are amazing
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Duke Chin posted:Oh I'm also glad that this is a regularly updated thing now: lol I am a fan of these
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Transcribed coaches corner is maybe the best thing that has ever happened to hockey.
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Ginette Reno posted:His point production (or lack thereof) doesn't even bother me because he has awesome hair. Here you go. His speed and ability to disrupt is a huge asset in the playoffs. I do worry about the HBK line coming back together again.
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Thank you NBC for gifting me two hockey games this sunday so I can spread the game to the masses. 
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