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tooterfish posted:I still give the series a 9/10 for trying this poo poo when no one else would even bother. I fell in love with it when Miller poured his whiskey in the brothel in season 1, and the Coriolis effect caused it to spiral sideways into the glass. That's attention to detail. Yep. That loving ruled as a nod to us nerdlords, especially because they didn't explain it at all
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The deflection was waaaaaaay too great. A necessary concession to cool.
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What I meant is stationary relative to the ring's axis of rotation. Point the nose toward the centre of the ring, and when the docking ports are aligned, thrust forward. Of course as has been mentioned already this seems like an unnecessarily difficult way of docking. Another possibility is that the arm that grabs the Roci can rotate independently of the ring so that while the ring rotates, the arm and the ship are stationary relative to each other, and once the arm grabs on, it matches the rotation of the ring. Subyng fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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tooterfish posted:I still give the series a 9/10 for trying this poo poo when no one else would even bother. I fell in love with it when Miller poured his whiskey in the brothel in season 1, and the Coriolis effect caused it to spiral sideways into the glass. That's attention to detail. That was a gross exaggeration of how much the Coriolis effect would come into play there. I mean, if there's that much of an effect over that short a distance the difference in acceleration between your head and your feet would make just living there enormously uncomfortable; "down" would be a different direction at each point along your body. In reality a station as big as Ceres rotating at the speed it would need to rotate for that level of force, Coriolis effects over the distance that small would be small enough to be swamped by things like air currents, you'd never notice it pouring whiskey into a glass. But yeah, points for effort. Subyng posted:What I meant is stationary relative to the ring's axis of rotation. Point the nose toward the centre of the ring, and when the docking ports are aligned, thrust forward. But then by the time you get to the docking port, the station's rotation has carried in spinward. You need to match the station's spin so that you're stationary relative to the point on the rim, and that takes constant maneuvering thrust; you literally have to match the rim's *acceleration*, not a position.
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Phanatic posted:That was a gross exaggeration of how much the Coriolis effect would come into play there. I mean, if there's that much of an effect over that short a distance the difference in acceleration between your head and your feet would make just living there enormously uncomfortable; "down" would be a different direction at each point along your body. In reality a station as big as Ceres rotating at the speed it would need to rotate for that level of force, Coriolis effects over the distance that small would be small enough to be swamped by things like air currents, you'd never notice it pouring whiskey into a glass. The brothel is in one of the poor parts of town, close to the centre of the asteroid. It's a cheap place to live because the coriolis effects are so uncomfortable. If you notice later on, Miller pours a glass of water in the governor's office and the water actually flows straight down. The governor and all the other rich well-wallers live close to the edge, where you can hardly notice coriolis effects at all.
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Phanatic posted:That was a gross exaggeration of how much the Coriolis effect would come into play there. I mean, if there's that much of an effect over that short a distance the difference in acceleration between your head and your feet would make just living there enormously uncomfortable; "down" would be a different direction at each point along your body. In reality a station as big as Ceres rotating at the speed it would need to rotate for that level of force, Coriolis effects over the distance that small would be small enough to be swamped by things like air currents, you'd never notice it pouring whiskey into a glass. To be fair, it may have been exaggerated for effect, not just in terms of showing off the SFX, but to show that it was worse in that part of the station. That scene took place near the center of spin, where the gravity is low, the Coriolis is nauseating, and the rent is cheap. Edit: 
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tooterfish posted:Ah, here's where the attention to detail really grabs you though. I suspect it's still greatly exaggerated. Ceres is 950 kilometers in diameter. a =v^2/r. If it's spun to provide 1g at the perimeter (Do they ever specifically mention what the g level is? 1 g is definitely uncomfortable for belters, so I think 1 g is a big overestimate but let's go with it as an upper limit), 9.8m/s^2 = v^2/425000, v=2kps. 2kps sounds fast but for an object the size of Ceres it's less than .05rpm. You're never going to feel Coriolis at such a low rotation rate, the threshold for discomfort is around 4rpm. The gravity falls off as you get closer to the axis, but the rotation rate doesn't change. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Ceres is about ⅓ g, I think.
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Phanatic posted:
You thrust ahead of time so that you arrive there as the docking port becomes aligned. E.g if the dock is 90 degrees away, by the time it has reached 0 degrees you're already touching it. Like imagine someone on a lazy Susan with their arm outstreched. You're standing right next to the edge with your arm out, and when your hands meet you clasp them together and you get pulled along Subyng fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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That would cause a non-trivial amount of stress. Instead of the ships thrusters changing the ships velocity vector to match the stations its the docking clamps.
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AirborneNinja posted:That would cause a non-trivial amount of stress. Instead of the ships thrusters changing the ships velocity vector to match the stations its the docking clamps. True, but it does match what we see with the sudden acceleration in the show. If the docking clamps have a flexible component like an accordion that might also dampen the sudden acceleration.
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Platystemon posted:Ceres is about ⅓ g, I think. Yup. I assume that's at/near the surface, so in practice is lower for the average poor Belter.
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tooterfish posted:
Anyone have gif?
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Feb 6, 2017 23:57
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I don't know about a gif, but the wiki has a screenshot. http://expanse.wikia.com/wiki/Coriolis_Effect  edit: although that's not the scene I was talking about, this is: 
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tooterfish posted:Ah, here's where the attention to detail really grabs you though. Not necessarily close to the edge but closer to the equator. The closer to the poles the greater the coriolis.
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There was also the bit in the last episode of season one where Naomi sprinkled some dust from her fingers and the spiral told her they were close to the docking bay.
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Platystemon posted:https://giant.gfycat.com/DependentCorruptAuklet.mp4 The thruster fire knocked Miller off of his bed then moved ballistic perpendicular to the docking bay until captured by the clamps. The fall should be ecliptical but as with the spacing scene the fundamentals are accurate. Very nice touch and has gotten nerds talking. gohmak fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Anyone have gif? https://fat.gfycat.com/EnchantingScornfulBlackfly.mp4
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tooterfish posted:I don't know about a gif, but the wiki has a screenshot. I have to imagine that as an alcoholic Earther I would have a really frustrating time if I went up into the belt.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I have to imagine that as an alcoholic Earther I would have a really frustrating time if I went up into the belt. just drink from the bottle like a real alcoholic
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404notfound posted:just drink from the bottle like a real alcoholic After I spent all that money on an MCRN mug? No way.
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https://zippy.gfycat.com/SnoopyFirmGalapagosalbatross.mp4 https://zippy.gfycat.com/VictoriousPoliticalEsok.mp4 The dust one doesn’t make sense.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I have to imagine that as an alcoholic Earther I would have a really frustrating time if I went up into the belt. Here's the scene in the governor's office I was talking about :  Same station, no visible coriolis fuckery. It's a really neat and subtle way to demonstrate the class differences on Ceres.
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AlternateAccount posted:Selfquote, perhaps the lighting in the scene is weird, but I am thinking the one used is the BROWN color, not red: Emsa City cup 180ml. According to their website, you can have red, clear or blue.
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Rocksicles posted:Emsa City cup 180ml. According to their website, you can have red, clear or blue. Yeah but no one in he US sells the brown ones I can find.  Even the red ones seem unavailable.
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It doesn't seem like they ever manufactured a brown one. It's probably just modified. The props forum thing i read was specifically mentioning the red one.
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Rocksicles posted:It doesn't seem like they ever manufactured a brown one. There's definitely a brown one. Just hard to find. http://ramabo.com/emsa-coffee-city-cup-02-l-brown/14603707-2808224457 Right? I kinda think the red one would look "better" tho.
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It's good to see that this thread has already identified the object to send to Syfy if they cancel.
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Sweet, maybe they have being made different in colours in different countries. Probably boxes of them being turned into merch as we speak
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Qc0oj9ans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clobSU3pJGc
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So.... protomolecule is extra-solar, eh? This series has xeno life forms? Don't get me wrong, Game of Thrones in space is cool but I'm stoked if we get White Walkers in space too. (Not literally)
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Yeah, things go nuts. Hold onto your helmets, space fans!
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So the book authors actually wrote the second episode? Heh, so blame them for Thoth, if you disagree with how it was handled.
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Combat Pretzel posted:So the book authors actually wrote the second episode? Heh, so blame them for Thoth, if you disagree with how it was handled. Writing and Directing are not the same thing.
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Yeah I'd blame spotty directing, and the executive decision to cram 3 episodes into a season double header. The second half of this episode seriously needed room to breathe, stuff happened way too fast, did we really need to end episode 2 in the climactic Thoth station raid and the Dresden headshot?
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Phobophilia posted:Yeah I'd blame spotty directing, and the executive decision to cram 3 episodes into a season double header. The second half of this episode seriously needed room to breathe, stuff happened way too fast, did we really need to end episode 2 in the climactic Thoth station raid and the Dresden headshot? Yeah after re-watch, the pacing goes to poo poo in episode 2. I feel like it would have been better served for the 2nd episode to close out on the approach to Thoth, and then open 3 with the actual raid allowing it to spread out some, instead of how cramped it ended up feeling.
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We didn't exactly cover a lot of book material last season. Not that I'm complaining, but maybe they were told to hurry poo poo along.
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AwkwardKnob posted:So.... protomolecule is extra-solar, eh? This series has xeno life forms? Don't get me wrong, Game of Thrones in space is cool but I'm stoked if we get White Walkers in space too. (Not literally) Seems so far that the proto-molecule is more like the Halo Flood.
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I thought it was going to be some kind of sentient nanotech, which in my opinion is much cooler. I'm hoping the aliens angle is just a red herring.
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