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zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
I'm not sure when or how SAP got into Maintenance Excellence but it was one of the more brilliant fields they could have brought to their special brand of German autism.

Every stereotype you can think of concerning computer science, accounting, and engineering autism all applies to SAP. Its just too convenient it happens to be German.

We've come so far from OSHA.jpg. The only bone I can throw is the time after machine gunning through more burst discs than we ever should have in a week resulting in after hours me, a shift supervisor, and a maintenance supervisor staring at SAP queries trying to figure out if another one was hidden in storage somewhere.

I did high school intern work at NASA at a desk across from one of the remaining fortran experts and apparently part of the problem is that you need to understand both rocket science and fortran to tease through the extant code base. Same sort of thing why we don't just program solvers per installed chemical process.

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Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

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BattleMaster posted:

And yet it's still cheaper to find someone to make new PDP-11s for you than to get a new digital control computer hardware and software design past the regulator. So it goes.

If only someone could make nuclear power great again.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I start my lathe classes this week and this thread has me terrified

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Just wear your longest sleeve and nicest watch

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Synthbuttrange posted:

Just wear your longest sleeve and nicest watch

And a wedding ring so the machine knows I have a family and has mercy.

Circuitjerky
Mar 17, 2006

Keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Nuclear is the one industry that aviation can look at and feel good about their regulatory lot in life.

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?

Olothreutes posted:

The maximum thermal power we're licensed for is five watts, so it's not like these things are going to hurt anyone if something goes wrong,


Thank goodness that license is there to stop thermal power exceeding five watts when things go horribly wrong :ohdear:

Or (I'm guessing) is there more to it that makes this reactor safe to play with?

fake edit: Found what appears to be the sort of reactor you're talking about as well as an article titled Predicted Behaviour of the AGN 201 Reactor at High Power Levels:unsmigghh:


Really it only talks about cranking things up to 1,000 watts, but I like the way some people think. I suppose you'd have to work pretty drat hard and avoid all supervision to screw things up to the point people are getting hurt.


Aerojet General Nucleonics Model No. 201, dating from the 50's. With Glory Hole! (1")

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

The Sausages posted:

Thank goodness that license is there to stop thermal power exceeding five watts when things go horribly wrong :ohdear:

Or (I'm guessing) is there more to it that makes this reactor safe to play with?

fake edit: Found what appears to be the sort of reactor you're talking about as well as an article titled Predicted Behaviour of the AGN 201 Reactor at High Power Levels:unsmigghh:


Really it only talks about cranking things up to 1,000 watts, but I like the way some people think. I suppose you'd have to work pretty drat hard and avoid all supervision to screw things up to the point people are getting hurt.


Aerojet General Nucleonics Model No. 201, dating from the 50's. With Glory Hole! (1")

It is indeed an AGN-201m. One of like five in the world still operating (four, if you don't count the one that isn't operating at that other school, and three if you want to be specific and not count the korean knock off that one of the korean universities uses).

I think, given enough time and fresh fuel, that you could maybe get one of these up to a kilowatt with some clever loading, but they aren't designed to run that high for very long. As the fuel heats up your reactivity will go down and your power will as well. We've discussed this sort of thing in the lab, and probably 100-200 watts is the steady state maximum.

However in our system if you hit more than five watts the control panel scrams the reactor and you get to fill out a mountain of paperwork and lose your license. Good times!

Also, in that diagram there, the core fuse is mentioned. The fuel is polyethylene loaded with UO2, but the fuse is polystyrene and has a double loading of UO2 in it. Polystyrene melts at a much lower temperature than polyethylene does, so if things go really pear shaped the core fuse will melt and the bottom half of the core drops down. Once that happens the reactor can't be critical, so it's safe, and you get to fill out a mountain of paperwork and lose your license.

E: The NRC actually has teeth, though, and fines are insane compared to OSHA poo poo. One year I took my annual operating exam, and the paperwork shows that I was logged in to operate the reactor for the purposes of my annual exam. There's notation that I passed my annual operating exam and the signature of the SRO who was administering the exam. They ran this paperwork up to the guy who keeps the records (the reactor administrator, also an SRO, but not the one giving me my exam) and he put it in my file. But he didn't note in my file that I had passed my annual exam (in a separate location). So that was an $8,000 dollar fine, and I got a stern talking to from the NRC inspector for not making sure that my paperwork was fully completed.

Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Feb 6, 2017

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.

Grognan posted:

*doesn't kill anyone, gets more years than serial killers*

It's probably something like, sentenced for every failed indication, every runlight ran, every reckless driving. Multiple counts of ALL KINDS of traffic violations! I think it's also possible to pick up multiple speeding charges in a single run.

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?
I find this all very interesting but I don't think someone like me would survive in an industry with that much scrutiny. Financially survive, that is.


Thanks for the info. Apparently ISU in Bengal is still using the first AGN-201 ever built.

beep-beep car is go
Apr 11, 2005

I can just eyeball this, right?



Olothreutes posted:

The teaching reactor at my university has been in the same configuration since the 60s, and another school with the same model reactor tried to upgrade their reactor to digital instrumentation. They have been out of operation for nearly two years at this point. The maximum thermal power we're licensed for is five watts, so it's not like these things are going to hurt anyone if something goes wrong, they're like the nuclear version of an easy bake oven.

MIT? I got to tour that reactor when I worked there, it was super sweet. My favorite anecdote from the tour was in the energy crisis in the 70s, MIT explored converting their reactor to generate power rather than just be a neutron source (and be a sweet nuclear reactor) and they couldn't (safely) get it hot enough to even boil water.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Fail-safe magnet, perfect for when a failure state can involve high levels of heat

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

shame on an IGA posted:

Older discussion, but I just want to point out that this isn't a network closet. The orange and green cables are for Siemens servo drives, one is power and the other control data. The purple ones are RS-485 Profibus data bus cables, and this is the nerve center of an unspeakably complex robot.

Each pair of Orange & Green cable represents one motion axis.

If that robot has 3 million bucks worth of cabling, can someone please post a picture of Saud robot?

JUST MAKING CHILI
Feb 14, 2008

mllaneza posted:

I can top that.

I was home one day several years ago and had the TV on. The local news broke in with live footage from Dallas. Some lunatic had stolen a lumber truck and was being chased by police. It went on for over an hour. The driver is nuts, but he's also amazing skilled in handling a big rig. Some of the stunts he pulls off are things an 18-wheeler just shouldn't be able to do. And yes, the truck is on fire for most of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLcFWGIYthA

That magnificent bastard is probably still in jail.

He was an unemployed truck driver that had lost his job after falling off of a balcony and hurting his back. I think he died in prison. Shine on you crazy diamond.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Synthbuttrange posted:

*Finally falls in a way that he's carried up the escalator after repeatedly tumbling down*

"Oh thank gently caress"

*falls into view again*

"Goddammit"


Wait, what?

I honestly watched it for thirty seconds and thought it was a loop!

Jayme
Jul 16, 2008

Gorilla Salad posted:

Wait, what?

I honestly watched it for thirty seconds and thought it was a loop!

Nope - the end is when someone finally notices and runs to stop the escalator.

Zamboni Rodeo
Jul 19, 2007

NEVER play "Lady of Spain" AGAIN!





Desert Bus 2017 lookin' good.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
I work for an SAP competitor, and we can't even lock down our own Source of Truth among our internal systems/connected systems/legacy internal/crap some sales guy bought to please a client and forced down our throats and no one bothered to decomm it in 7 years/etc. I don't expect many companies using our products bother to utilize them properly, either.

Reading this thread made me realize just how OSHA.gif my entire family is. Grandpa lost 4 of his fingats as the supervisor warden of the tag plant at the state prison. They had a giant press to emboss the license plate numbers back then, with buttons on either side, more than an arm's reach apart, that had to be pressed simultaneously. Grandpa had his hand in the machine, probably yelling at the inmates to stop being fuckups and put the plates in straight, goddammit, and that was that. Somehow, the man managed to be a stained glass artisan and carpenter until he finally died in his late 80s. He also would walk up to random people and say, "GIMME ONE!" Or he'd keep his hand tucked by his waist when he first met my friends, just to giggle at their reaction to his thumb-stump. Will they grab the thumb? Grab the wrist like a Roman soldier shake? Attempt a fist bump? JUST STAND THEIR LIKE A CHUCKLEFUCK WHILE HE LAUGHS?

Grandpa was awesome.

My uncle was a shop teacher who sliced off the tip of his index finger showing his students what not to do with a table saw. That was probably 20 years before he retired.

Oh, also, if anyone wants any Libby, MT stories about vermiculite and zonelite asbestos, WR Grace lawsuit fuckery, and the ins and outs of mesothelioma and asbestosis, I may know some things. Guess how my dad paid for college? If you guess, "Worked in the Vermiculite mine in Libby," you are correct.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Wanna meet Stumpy the grandpa.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Last Friday I was very careful to wear gloves while mixing a 2M solution of sodium hidroxide, and everything went ok.

I wasn't careful 20 minutes later when I rinsed the glassware without gloves.

At least fingerprints grow back eventually.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

Bubblyblubber posted:


At least fingerprints grow back eventually.

Only if you still have fingers

hanales
Nov 3, 2013

JUST MAKING CHILI posted:

He was an unemployed truck driver that had lost his job after falling off of a balcony and hurting his back. I think he died in prison. Shine on you crazy diamond.

The spy hunter smoke screen he ran for a while was rad af.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

DirtRoadJunglist posted:

My uncle was a shop teacher who sliced off the tip of his index finger showing his students what not to do with a table saw. That was probably 20 years before he retired.
I've never met a shop teacher with ten complete fingers. Mine shortened his by half an inch on the planer.

Also your grandpa sounds awesome.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

hanales posted:

The spy hunter smoke screen he ran for a while was rad af.

I like to think he planned for the tires to catch and spread to the load allowing him to shake loose burning lumber to deter his pursues. Sucks he dropped his payload on a loving short bus, tho.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

this is like a recurring nightmare of mine.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

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I warned you about stairs bro! I told you dog!

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J4jZBw24Rw

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

Collateral Damage posted:

I've never met a shop teacher with ten complete fingers. Mine shortened his by half an inch on the planer.

Mine did. In fact sometimes he had eleven digits, if you count the chisel that went through his hand.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Gorilla Salad posted:

Wait, what?

I honestly watched it for thirty seconds and thought it was a loop!

There's a timestamp in the bottom right to help :v:

BgRdMchne
Oct 31, 2011


Donald Trump looking good.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Lady Demelza posted:

Mine did. In fact sometimes he had eleven digits, if you count the chisel that went through his hand.

It's the sworn duty of the shop teacher to either tell stories on how he lost fingers, or demonstrate it.

Our's lost a few screwing around with explosives in his youth and had no qualms with telling us how to make various compounds ourselves with help from the science teacher.

"Go talk to Mr Science Teacher and ask for some Magnesium if you need a high temp fuse of sorts"

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Humphreys posted:

It's the sworn duty of the shop teacher to either tell stories on how he lost fingers, or demonstrate it.

Our's lost a few screwing around with explosives in his youth and had no qualms with telling us how to make various compounds ourselves with help from the science teacher.

"Go talk to Mr Science Teacher and ask for some Magnesium if you need a high temp fuse of sorts"

Sounds like the physics teacher I had who owned illegally over-powered lasers and helped us build siege engines. When my class did rocketry, he decided 9v batteries were too weak to use for ignition, so he ganked a car battery and wired that up instead.

A fellow goon, after I graduated, got to build a trebuchet capable of hucking bowling balls across the football practice field. Still jealous.

Zev
Apr 3, 2009

DirtRoadJunglist posted:

I work for an SAP competitor, and we can't even lock down our own Source of Truth among our internal systems/connected systems/legacy internal/crap some sales guy bought to please a client and forced down our throats and no one bothered to decomm it in 7 years/etc. I don't expect many companies using our products bother to utilize them properly, either.

We use sap at work. I really wish I even knew how it was supposed to work, because as is, it's just a hurdle. People have functions that they are supposed to perform, but they don't know how to do them. In some cases they don't even know that they are supposed to do them, or that they even exist.

I feel like it just amplified our organizational weaknesses.

I wish there was an sap thread, but I doubt there are many people who want to talk about it.

Vanadium Dame
May 29, 2002

HELLO I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT MY VERY STRONG OPINIONS

Bubblyblubber posted:

At least fingerprints grow back eventually.

Eh, kinda. I can still see the spot on my left index finger where I OSHA'd in high school 20 years ago with 12M HCl. It's looking better after 2 decades but still there.

Serak
Jun 18, 2000

Approaching Midnight.

Ol Standard Retard posted:

what know we of these Toblakai gods

Sufficiently niche reference :hfive:

mod saas
May 4, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Zev posted:


I wish there was an sap thread, but I doubt there are many people who want to talk about it.

do this in yospos

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


http://i.imgur.com/rI6WheH.mp4

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Bubblyblubber posted:

Last Friday I was very careful to wear gloves while mixing a 2M solution of sodium hidroxide, and everything went ok.

I wasn't careful 20 minutes later when I rinsed the glassware without gloves.

At least fingerprints grow back eventually.

What, 2M NaOH is nothing, you can get 50% on your fingers and be fine if you rinse right away. The only thing in a normal lab that insta burns like the movies is concentrated sulphuric.

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Oct 4, 2008

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What is it? Chemtrails?

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