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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Marx was in favour of industry though since it decimated the feudal-aristocratic world order. Of all the things to label a Stalin that's about the dumbest. He saw it as progress from the feudal-aristocratic world order. The general thesis of the Communist Manifesto is "yeah the new world is better than the old one but poo poo IS STILL hosed". Marx believed that the industrial system sucked the souls out of men. Being an industrial worker was a miserable, hopeless existence of constant repetition, living just above the poverty line, working by the clock and never finding anything fulfilling about what you're doing. He believed in the romantic idea of Hard Work as done by a expert craftsmen who creates something that is uniquely their own, not of sitting in a factory for 8 hours to earn slave wages assuming you don't die in a horrible accident. Marx saw it as a necessary step, though, that industrialization was the logical progression of things. It went without saying that basic quality of life advantages had emerged that affected everyone, but Marx felt that what the new system really did was clarify the division of classes. The difference between the proletariat and the bourgeoise was more obvious than it had ever been, and they now had the means to observe it and to fight it. In that sense he saw industrialization as progress. However, he still thought industrialization was damaging to humanity, accelerating it and being the one on top to reap the benefits like Stalin was hardly part of the blueprint of socialism that Marx laid out. quote:You have to understand, you can attack internet critics as long as you don't try to seem more educated or knowledgeable about criticism than them.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I actually did go and check the Timaeus and it is A: Still a lovely paraphrase and B: said by Timaeus, not Socrates. And this is assuming she got it from that book and not from this dubious looking source Well, one of those sources (a book with citations that hasn't gone through peer review) has the exact words enclosed in quotation marks in the video and one of them doesn't (a silly website), so I guess nothing can convince you that this is a reasonably excusable error to appear in a video? That's what you're being challenged on--not on whether two errors of attribution appear in the video, about which you are correct.
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Jack Gladney posted:Well, one of those sources (a book with citations that hasn't gone through peer review) has the exact words enclosed in quotation marks in the video and one of them doesn't (a silly website), so I guess nothing can convince you that this is a reasonably excusable error to appear in a video? That's what you're being challenged on--not on whether two errors of attribution appear in the video, about which you are correct. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I am sorry, I will never point out an error in a video again, I have sinned and must pay the price
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The Vosgian Beast posted:aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa So did you just expect everyone in the thread to nod their heads and say "Hmm, yes, I see, good point sir, have $5" because you're being a huge loving baby about people even attempting to refute your own criticisms.
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Alaois posted:So did you just expect everyone in the thread to nod their heads and say "Hmm, yes, I see, good point sir, have $5" because you're being a huge loving baby about people even attempting to refute your own criticisms. MiddleOne posted:Should my take-away from be that you regret getting yourself in debt over a literature or a philosophy major? Tired Moritz posted:sorry but wow, that's some nitpicky poo poo. I mean you're right that I was a bit too harsh to JackGladney, he was being reasonable, unlike the weirdos who instantly jumped down my throat for daring to know things they didn't
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Alaois posted:please don't respond to bravest of the lamps it is known
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Yes, I was being the baby here no one gives a poo poo that you knew a thing, it's how you acted about it
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Tatum Girlparts posted:no one gives a poo poo that you knew a thing, it's how you acted about it The Vosgian Beast posted:Off the top of my head in her Aphrodite video she used the phrase "Socrates wrote" and then followed it up with two quotes that are at best paraphrases of passages from two separate dialogues Plato wrote, one of which is not even said by Socrates, and at worst were just pulled off an unreliable looking clickbait site I found while googling them to see what her source of direct phrasing was. Which was instantly followed by MiddleOne posted:Should my take-away from be that you regret getting yourself in debt over a literature or a philosophy major? Tired Moritz posted:sorry but wow, that's some nitpicky poo poo. Will you please explain to me why the original post necessitated instant hostility?
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well that first one was clearly a joke, and the second was a kinda blunt but not wrong thing to say, neither were exactly jumping down your throat?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Will you please explain to me why the original post necessitated instant hostility? That wasn't the original post. This was: The Vosgian Beast posted:I stopped watching her after I started noticing some really egregious research errors in her loose canon videos. You hyped people up for a bigger fuckup than an understandable misattribution that doesn't affect the argument she was making. Anyway I dunno if anyone here used to watch Happy Viking's stuff before he dropped out of doing videos, but a month ago he put up a video he shot two years ago. A "two people sitting on a hotel bed" review of Goon, a movie about the kind of goon that can take a punch.
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Do not even ask posted:Instead of being pedantic poo-babbies let's talk about THE OSCARS 2017 How does Ralph open his closet?
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Jim loving Sterling Son takes on Gamestop and employee abuse. Also, he has some choice words for Digital Homicide at the end of the episode.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jim loving Sterling Son takes on Gamestop and employee abuse. This is extremely good poo poo
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This is a far from new video, but I think Campster might be the most legitimately insightful person making games criticism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AixOBp15KdI
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jim loving Sterling Son takes on Gamestop and employee abuse. DH donates a dollar to Jim's patreon to prove that Jim does enough business in Arizona to be required to go to Arizona for the lawsuit
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Well, I did say sorry.The Horse in Tears posted:
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I found a similar problem with one of Kyle's videos once, and he came into the thread to acknowledge his mistake, explain why he made it, and say he would have to make sure to do better in the future. I'm guessing I wrongly assumed pointing out an objective error in research is okay if you don't act like an idiot and make it an attack on someone's character? Will not make this mistake in the future. Oh God, years of lurking, and this was the thread that finally broke me. Yes, it is I, the failed Socrates quoter. The irony in this video is that the fact checking was not mine, but my fact checker, which I pay someone to do. The fact that I said "wrote" instead of "allegedly quoted by Plato" was my mistake, not hers, because putting together comprehensive videos like this on a deadline is difficult, and even with multiple eyes on the thing, poo poo still falls through the cracks. Mea culpa. But yeah, you are kind of being an rear end in a top hat. Because here is the thing, even with professional fact checkers, even if you are working for the New York Times or Washington Post or Vox (which I have, by the by), poo poo still falls through the cracks. This isn't an excuse, it's just reality. And honestly, I'm loving sick of people acting like I'm stupid or cut-rate or like I'm just not loving trying because of one slight misattribution with the budget and timeline I have. Because (for gently caress's sake) I said "wrote" instead of "was attributed as saying". My assistant found the translation, I used the word "wrote", a mountain of nonsense have I gotten from this molehill of word choice. You try never making any mistakes with the timeline I have and a staff of two plus the occasional freelancer when I have graphic work that needs doing. And yes, I have been poorly lurking in this thread and its progenitor for years. Honestly the original intent was just to complain about Spoony with everyone else, because I actually knew the man and got hosed over by him in real time. I have a lot of anger at my (former) colleagues and I need to vent it somewhere. But at this point I honestly don't give a poo poo. Y'all have a party with my post history. Congrats, Vosgian Beast, you have finally broken me. I salute you. Because it's poo poo like this that makes me wonder - why do I even loving bother? I could be like Cinema Sins over here and just say whatever and have a million subscibers. I don't need paid researchers, I don't need fact checkers, because I will always gently caress something up, and there will always be That Guy out there who will never let it go (looking at you, various other posters who will not let go of the WEIRDEST poo poo - seriously, did I gently caress your sister or something?) The hyperfocus on the minor mistakes honestly does make me wonder why I even loving bother. This is the age of Trump - we can just say whatever. Hell, I could, and I'd probably get more money. So, really, why bother being factual? Why. loving. bother. Not that I'm bitter or anything.
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As far as I can gather, most people around here like your videos. Even the Socrates quoter seemed to enjoy them. As far as I'm concerned, the only complaint I have about Loose Canon is that sometimes I feel a few obvious versions are omitted, which is much more a matter of taste and preferences that any actual flaw with the videos. Even then I can't remember one off the top of my head, so...
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this is a cool thread. But yea I've fallen behind on your vids lately but what I've seen was good, and Loose Canon is my favorite thing you do right now.
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don't worry lindsay, pretty much everyone else in the thread hates vosgian beast for being a massive jackass about various things over the years fwiw i think loose cannon is great and especially liked the hercules and oscar bait episodes
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Making a video that actually says something meaningful is really loving hard, and poo poo in general really sucks right now, but for what it's worth Chez Lindsay is one of my favorite things to just unwind to. In particular, it's great seeing the huge variety in your videos, from gushing (Phantom), derision (RENT), to the "this is objectively bad but I still love it" (Hercules). poo poo I think I've watched that RENT video like five times and I've not once seen the movie or play. Also you were nice to me when I was in a dark place, and it helped way more than I'd like to admit.
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also i really wish this thread wasn't absolutely atrocious since apparently several of the critics we talk about and like have accounts here but they rarely/never post itt because it is a trainwreck pretty much every time i look at it it's be cool to have them participate in conversations about their reviews more often but i can only imagine most are scared away any time they load this shitshow up and read the awful posts in it
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Don't touch the poop is a good rule. Also applies to internet critics posting in this thread.
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Andrast posted:Don't touch the poop is a good rule. So the cynic in me wants to turn this into okay, I'll fade back into the ether, but... Alacron posted:Making a video that actually says something meaningful is really loving hard, and poo poo in general really sucks right now, but for what it's worth Chez Lindsay is one of my favorite things to just unwind to. In particular, it's great seeing the huge variety in your videos, from gushing (Phantom), derision (RENT), to the "this is objectively bad but I still love it" (Hercules). poo poo I think I've watched that RENT video like five times and I've not once seen the movie or play. See... I feel like I also need to acknowledge stuff like this, as well. There wouldn't need to be a "don't touch the poop" nonsense if there wasn't some need to protect ourselves. And personally? I don't care. At this point, I don't see what I have to lose by defending myself. But the truth is I get far more people telling me that I did something good or worthwhile than I do the Vosgian Beasts of the world, and while we're (I'm) bearing our souls tonight, I wish I knew better how to respond to this. I've become so inundated to negativity that I do not know how properly to respond to positivity, even though I know I would do much more good by responding to the positive than the negative. Problem with having your nerves burned away is that you forget how to human. Oh hey look a bucket of sloths! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0V_D4zaEpU
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Pirate Jenny posted:But the truth is I get far more people telling me that I did something good or worthwhile than I do the Vosgian Beasts of the world, and while we're (I'm) bearing our souls tonight, I wish I knew better how to respond to this. I've become so inundated to negativity that I do not know how properly to respond to positivity, even though I know I would do much more good by responding to the positive than the negative. Problem with having your nerves burned away is that you forget how to human. Yeeeeeeeah. Processing feedback as a woman on the internet especially is uh  But in all seriousness, this thread is okay sometimes. By somethingawful standards, it's not that bad. Still pretty bad though, it'd be better if y'all had a mod who cared about the thread and cracked down on the world's cringiest derails with greater impunity, but I can see why people don't bother, so I guess we only have ourselves to blame for lurking at this point.
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The trouble is that usually, you guys can barely hold a discussion over your favourite crisp flavours without losing your heads. The thread blowing up into another circular argument every other page is certainly the reason that I don't bother to post in this thread anymore and I doubt I'm alone in that because holy poo poo it is lame. This feels like bullshit as I'm typing it, but jeez - do y'all just need to have the feel of the tire fire that is Facebook/Twitter/whatever everywhere? Can't a forum offer at least some respite? Fuuuuck.
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I always viewed this thread as a place where fan-people go to watch/listen to creator people dish on the reality of being a Famous Internet Critic, and while I came and subscribed initially for stories about awful "film" shoots and general mismanagement horror stories about the leadership of Certain Associations of Critical Aficianados being Complete rear end at Corporate Affairs, I stayed subscribed because regulars and creators would consistently introduce me to great people I never would have bothered paying attention to otherwise. Kim, HBombz, Kyle (he does post here, right?), Infamous Sphere, even more recent stuff by Allison and Phelan-- I never would have bothered watching or getting back into if I didn't have a recommendation feed that I could trust. Youtube algorithms would have just kept sending me a bunch of gamergate trash, and there was no where else on the internet I would dare wade into in search of People Talking At Webcams for fear of dealing with tremendous amounts of poo poo. So, I'm sorry that ten bucks is not enough to make this a true refuge from the usual internet tendencies. I always felt that this thread devolved into rehashing old conversations when there were no creators around to keep it occupied, but that ultimately drives the creators away, so... well, "stay and rule with an iron fist" isn't really an option and it's no one's obligation to keep us continually distracted with new shiny objects. All of your presences are valued and appreciated, though, when you have the energy for it.
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Here's hoping a bunch of internet obsessives don't start giving you poo poo Lindsay over your posting. That takes some guts to publicly unmask yourself like that. The Rent video was interesting too, so thanks for that. I know I lurk more than I post, but it has been interesting getting a little more into leftist viewpoints through a couple of the people posted here. Slowly dunking myself into degeneracy.
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somekindofguy posted:Here's hoping a bunch of internet obsessives don't start giving you poo poo Lindsay over your posting. That takes some guts to publicly unmask yourself like that. The Rent video was interesting too, so thanks for that. Just pour a liter of wolf's milk all over yourself if you feel like you've gone too far.
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Andrast posted:Don't touch the poop is a good rule. What if the poop is your own?
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