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Kopijeger posted:Wonder how some of the guns and vehicles wound up as "disabled" instead of destroyed. Did they put some of them into lifeboats? Honestly, I've never figured this one out. I think it has to do with saving the personnel attached to a vehicle unit? 
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Is it just a fog or war sort of thing, where the guns and vehicles were damaged during the attack proper, but not wholly destroyed? That number shows up on the combat report, and then the ship sinks separately and takes the cargo with it, but we don't see it reported in the same place?
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Is it just a fog or war sort of thing, where the guns and vehicles were damaged during the attack proper, but not wholly destroyed? That number shows up on the combat report, and then the ship sinks separately and takes the cargo with it, but we don't see it reported in the same place? This might actually make more sense, yeah. I'll double check the manual to see if it says anything
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TheDemon posted:It's a little ridiculous that there are uncovered convoys trickling through the Coral Sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopship quote:The modern troopship has as long a history as passenger ships do, as most maritime nations enlisted their support in military operations (either by leasing the vessels or by impressing them into service) when their normal naval forces were deemed insufficient for the task. In the 19th century, navies frequently chartered civilian ocean liners, and from the start of the 20th century painted them gray and added a degree of armament; their speed, originally intended to minimize passage time for civilian user, proved valuable for outrunning submarines and enemy surface cruisers in war. HMT Olympic even rammed and sank a U-boat during one of its wartime crossings. Individual liners capable of exceptionally high speed transited without escorts; smaller or older liners with poorer performance were protected by operating in convoys.
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The Empress Australia would have the speed to leave behind escort destroyers, but that doesn't explain the tankers that didn't have an escort.
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TheDemon posted:It's a little ridiculous that there are uncovered convoys trickling through the Coral Sea. The AI is not good at collating and assembling forces.
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Feb 7, 2017 02:28
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Now imagine whenif we take Noumea, the Betties can have free range over the Coral sea and eastern approaches to Australia. Then onward to Fiji!
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Feb 7, 2017 02:31
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So Grey is doing exactly what the IRL IJN had in mind when they began constructing an airfield on Guadalcanal: Hit convoys going to Australia in order to starve them. Grey is literally Yamamoto.
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Feb 7, 2017 02:43
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Uh well try to avoid air travel until this LP is over Grey
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pthighs posted:I feel like in this timeline more soldiers die in sinking ships than in battle. Reminder that China exists. I'm under the impression that this mostly applies to the trans-Atlantic crossing where their high speed makes them almost immune to submarine attack. Not sure it would happen in contested airspace. 6 February 1943 Canadian corvette Louisburg, torpedoed near Oran by German aircraft.
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A White Guy posted:So Grey is doing exactly what the IRL IJN had in mind when they began constructing an airfield on Guadalcanal: Hit convoys going to Australia in order to starve them. Grey is doing what Yamamoto should've been doing; instead of fussing around with carriers, go mano to mano with battleships, and once the enemy battleships are gone, then you can use carriers as the commerce raiders that they are best at. Carriers sinking a battleship? Hah!
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Feb 7, 2017 03:24
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I think the wacky submarine and floatplane guy in this timeline will totally be Japanese.
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pthighs posted:I feel like in this timeline more soldiers die in sinking ships than in battle. Have you seen some of Grey's assaults??
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... wow that's a lot of lost ships. Estimatedly how many dead troopers would be along the lost for 240 points of casualties, not to mention equipment? Then we also have the ships which will be damaged and sink on the way back to port...
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Feb 7, 2017 07:59
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US Marines sure living up to their name.
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Bip Roberts posted:US Marines sure living up to their name. That's rude. Empty jars float! 
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Feb 7, 2017 10:54
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DD Sherman tanks will be used more heavily, so when the ships sink the tank can just drive off.
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Comstar posted:DD Sherman tanks will be used more heavily, so when the ships sink the tank can just drive off. Psh, the Americans copying Japanese tech, how typical!
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Comstar posted:DD Sherman tanks will be used more heavily, so when the ships sink the tank can just drive off. I don't think that works when your ship sinks in the middle of the pacific.
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   The Allied planes are abandoning Nomou, as we find plenty of flak, but no enemy fighters.  Some at least have relocated to Efate.  Its a good amount of flak.   This is getting more common now.   Out of nowhere the enemy collapse here.  We advance north again.   Another good day, but we sank most of the enemy ships yesterday – I'm sending more troops to new Caledonia, so the carriers will hang around to provide landing support.  I can't complain after yesterday.
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  We continue to hunt.  We continue to hammer down.  I have to report that our troops on Efate are surrendering. This invasion has been a failure.
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surrendering? SHAMEFURR DISPRAY
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The New Hebrides Campaign is going pretty piss poorly. You've got this massive advantage in carrier airpower and battleships. What gives? From how few men you've sent to Burma, I guess Grey's overstretching his troops by a lot.
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I think I had DD Devonshire and that got sunk, not holding out much hope for xAP Devonshire either
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How many troops surrendered?
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simplefish posted:I think I had DD Devonshire and that got sunk, not holding out much hope for xAP Devonshire either You never claimed anything for this game.
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Wasn't there another city earlier this game where the Allies had a weirdly high number of troops defending it which slowed down everything for weeks or months? Would it be possible to blockade Efate enough to try again eventually?
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Oh, so I didn't.
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A White Guy posted:The New Hebrides Campaign is going pretty piss poorly. You've got this massive advantage in carrier airpower and battleships. What gives? From how few men you've sent to Burma, I guess Grey's overstretching his troops by a lot. There seemed to be a very limited naval presence in the run-up to the Hebrides campaign, which is probably why the enemy remains so strong in the area. As for why the ships were absent, I think a lot of the navy was at home for refit and repair.
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Also they walked into 40,000 men unexpectedly, which has to put a damper on anybody's plans.
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simplefish posted:I think I had DD Devonshire and that got sunk, not holding out much hope for xAP Devonshire either The destroyer HMS Devonshire won't appear in this game anyway, since she wasn't launched until 1960. Our HMS Devonshire is a heavy cruiser. She survived the historical war (spending it mostly in the Atlantic), but I always get her confused with her near sister Dorsetshire, sunk during the Indian Ocean raid on 5 April 1942 and also known for her role in the sinking of Bismarck.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:The destroyer HMS Devonshire won't appear in this game anyway, since she wasn't launched until 1960. Our HMS Devonshire is a heavy cruiser. She survived the historical war (spending it mostly in the Atlantic), but I always get her confused with her near sister Dorsetshire, sunk during the Indian Ocean raid on 5 April 1942 and also known for her role in the sinking of Bismarck. code:
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A White Guy posted:The New Hebrides Campaign is going pretty piss poorly. You've got this massive advantage in carrier airpower and battleships. What gives? From how few men you've sent to Burma, I guess Grey's overstretching his troops by a lot. On the other hand, a lot of the larger allied transport ships have been sunk, including a fair number of ocean liners. Given what we've seen from the casualty reports he's also likely sunk about a division or more of allied troops.
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Every shark in the Pacific is slowly making its way to New Caledonia.
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I feel like the best thing to do is keep New Caledonia's 40k troops bottled up and go invade somewhere else at this point.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:
Hah, I didn't realize Dorsetshire sank so close to her historical loss date (just 17 days late). Looks like Devonshire lasted barely a month in-theater.
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I don't think it's going that badly, TBH. Some more troops are needed at Noumea, but the forts are being knocked down and reinforcements are on their way. The allied air forces seem to have pulled back and this gives an opportunity for the carriers and battleships to help the ground combat. Once Noumea falls, Efate is cut off and can be finished off.
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Is Efate the place where there were supposedly only 400 men guarding it?
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Every shark in the Pacific is slowly making its way to New Caledonia. Robert Shaw's Jaws speech is going to be even darker in this timeline.
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goatface posted:Is Efate the place where there were supposedly only 400 men guarding it? Yeah, months of recon told me that. Those pilots have been earmarked for the Kamikaze squadrons. Overall, its going well, Efate was a disaster, but Noumou will fall once the fresh troops arrive and march south - I'm hopeful for the end of the month, after that, we will hit Efate again, then look a Fiji while strangling Australia of any US supplies! The war CAN be won!
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