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Those shootouts are loving horrible guys. I'd rather see a coin toss then that.
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Wait. You guys actually think MLS 1.0 penalty shootouts are a good thing? I had never actually seen them before, but why are they so bad?
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Jan 24, 2017 16:57
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We did them in high school and they're way more fun than penalties.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:12
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Those halfway penalties favour skilful attacking players too much imo. Normal penalties have more of a level playing field between all the players in a team. Anyone can take a penalty, even goalkeepers.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:31
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blue footed boobie posted:I had never actually seen them before, but why are they so bad? After 120 minutes of a game you have two men running full speed at each other from 35 yards away in less than 7 seconds. It's a recipe for injury disaster as well as it's never as exciting as you might think because these guys are dead tired. Remember that it's still 1v1, so all the rest of the guys are going to be waiting, standing still for 5+ minutes and then running full tilt. If FIFA really cared about player safety, which they don't, this would be the worst possible way to end a game.
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Jan 24, 2017 18:01
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:After 120 minutes of a game you have two men running full speed at each other from 35 yards away in less than 7 seconds. It's a recipe for injury disaster as well as it's never as exciting as you might think because these guys are dead tired. Remember that it's still 1v1, so all the rest of the guys are going to be waiting, standing still for 5+ minutes and then running full tilt. If FIFA really cared about player safety, which they don't, this would be the worst possible way to end a game. Who loving cares about "player safety"
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Jan 24, 2017 18:06
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:After 120 minutes of a game you have two men running full speed at each other from 35 yards away in less than 7 seconds. It's a recipe for injury disaster as well as it's never as exciting as you might think because these guys are dead tired. Remember that it's still 1v1, so all the rest of the guys are going to be waiting, standing still for 5+ minutes and then running full tilt. If FIFA really cared about player safety, which they don't, this would be the worst possible way to end a game. This just makes it better hth
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Jan 24, 2017 18:10
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:After 120 minutes of a game you have two men running full speed at each other from 35 yards away in less than 7 seconds. It's a recipe for injury disaster as well as it's never as exciting as you might think because these guys are dead tired. Remember that it's still 1v1, so all the rest of the guys are going to be waiting, standing still for 5+ minutes and then running full tilt. If FIFA really cared about player safety, which they don't, this would be the worst possible way to end a game. The only thing better than John Terry slipping taking a penalty would be John Terry slipping and getting injured while taking an American-style penalty.
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Jan 24, 2017 20:34
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Was there ever a rule in place that stopped the keeper just charging forward and deliberately cleaning out the man every single time?
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Jan 25, 2017 20:23
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Keeper can't leave the penalty box. Dunno how they handled fouls, like if the keeper got rounded and just took the man down, but it would probably be a retake if I were a betting man.
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Jan 25, 2017 20:45
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Shoren posted:Keeper can't leave the penalty box. Dunno how they handled fouls, like if the keeper got rounded and just took the man down, but it would probably be a retake if I were a betting man. If the goalkeeper fouled the shooter, a regular penalty was awarded.
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Jan 25, 2017 21:29
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Was there ever a rule in place that stopped the keeper just charging forward and deliberately cleaning out the man every single time? Worked pretty well for Harald Schumacher iirc
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Jan 26, 2017 00:11
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Start closer to the goal and give more time and its a perfect balance. The fundamental aim of football is to score past a goalkeeper in normal play, so this is surely the best way to determine a winner when the 120mins couldn't. Also any infringement by the keeper means an automatic goal, anything by the taker means an automatic miss. Sure, you could storm out of goal at full pace but as has been said you'd just get chipped every time.
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Jan 26, 2017 12:25
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I like penalty shootouts as they are right now. It's interesting to see how the players deal with the pressure.
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Jan 26, 2017 16:59
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Brony Car posted:I like penalty shootouts as they are right now. It's interesting to see how the players deal with the pressure. The pressure is even stronger when you do shootouts, because you have more time to think, and more options.
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Jan 26, 2017 20:40
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The only real danger from a collision is the keeper getting a fractured skull, so maybe they could just wear scrum caps?
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Jan 26, 2017 21:56
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IFAB are going to discuss whether a yellow card should include sin-binning the player as well. Would start at youth and amateur levels and work its way up to professional leagues in a few years. Other things they're discussing are whether national associations should have more control over number of substitutes and whether or not to make it so only the captain can talk to the ref. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38824937
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Feb 1, 2017 13:59
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vyelkin posted:IFAB are going to discuss whether a yellow card should include sin-binning the player as well. Would start at youth and amateur levels and work its way up to professional leagues in a few years. Hrm yes give ef refs more power to gently caress over english teams for the benefit of the spanish and germans!
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Feb 5, 2017 03:11
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Byolante posted:Hrm yes give ef refs more power to gently caress over english teams for the benefit of the spanish and germans! Agreed.
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Feb 5, 2017 11:29
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Byolante posted:Hrm yes give ef refs more power to gently caress over english teams for the benefit of the spanish and germans! That isn't actually a bad thing op
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Feb 5, 2017 12:15
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Byolante posted:Hrm yes give ef refs more power to gently caress over english teams for the benefit of the spanish and germans! Refereeing has been the one obstacle keeping the English from being an elite team. Conversely the Spanish and Germans would be poo poo if not for refereeing.
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Feb 5, 2017 16:26
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Suqit posted:Refereeing has been the one obstacle keeping the English from being an elite team. Conversely the Spanish and Germans would be poo poo if not for refereeing.  Probably
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Feb 5, 2017 23:00
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Byolante posted:
English are poo poo at football in comparison to the Spanish and Germans. Get over it.
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Feb 6, 2017 04:46
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Suqit posted:English are poo poo at football in comparison to the Spanish and Germans. Get over it. Checks out.
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Feb 6, 2017 04:59
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Suqit posted:Refereeing has been the one obstacle keeping the English from being an elite team. Conversely the Spanish and Germans would be poo poo if not for refereeing. I seem to remember a certain referee decision benefiting England greatly in 1966...
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Feb 6, 2017 05:08
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Byolante posted:Hrm yes give ef refs more power to gently caress over english teams for the benefit of the spanish and germans! Referees were the entire reason why England scored 2 goals in 3 group stage games in 2014, their worst showing since their inability to qualify in 1994. Bio-Hazard fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 09:07
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I think that "only the captain speaks to the referee" idea might be good.
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Brony Car posted:I think that "only the captain speaks to the referee" idea might be good. It's a must. It works so well in Rugby where refs speak to the players as if they were children and they take it. https://youtu.be/_TpxEOQ0bVo Sneaks McDevious fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Feb 7, 2017 11:13
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It's unbearably loving smug in rugby and I'm not sure about anything that gives Mike Dean the opportunity to be even more pompous than he is already
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Feb 7, 2017 11:18
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peanut- posted:It's unbearably loving smug in rugby and I'm not sure about anything that gives Mike Dean the opportunity to be even more pompous than he is already Actually it owns. Footballers need to be put back in their place
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Feb 7, 2017 11:54
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It's great in rugby. Funny as hell to watch players brutalize then immediately drop into "yes sir, sorry sir" and walk off.
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Feb 7, 2017 12:18
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rugby players are all posh boy public school twats who are used to Knowing Their Place and Respecting Their Betters or they'll get the birch from the form master and a jolly good buggering from the prefect
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Feb 7, 2017 13:34
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excuse me lady posted:rugby players are all posh boy public school twats who are used to Knowing Their Place and Respecting Their Betters or they'll get the birch from the form master and a jolly good buggering from the prefect *Faints to the ground after a hand is moved near them on the pitch.
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Feb 7, 2017 13:45
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I'd love to see a ref get stuck in to John Terry
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Feb 7, 2017 13:51
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It helps that in rugby the refs have zero qualms about giving further penalties just moving ten metres down the field each time, for things that happen after the original penalty. That's not really a thing in football, you never see a ref move a free kick closer to the goal or give a penalty instead of a free kick for something that happened off the ball after a foul was called.
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Feb 7, 2017 15:41
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I think the captains only rule is much needed but only if it's accompanied by a strict 5-second clock where other people talking to the ref get a swift Yellow for coming up to the Ref. Imagine how much more stamina the Italian and Mexican teams will have if they aren't sprinting to the ref after every whistle.
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Feb 7, 2017 15:52
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vyelkin posted:It helps that in rugby the refs have zero qualms about giving further penalties just moving ten metres down the field each time, for things that happen after the original penalty. That's not really a thing in football, you never see a ref move a free kick closer to the goal or give a penalty instead of a free kick for something that happened off the ball after a foul was called. there was a brief spell where they would bring the free kick forward but it seems to have died out, probably because a lot of the time the kicker prefers it further out to get it up and down over the wall
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Feb 7, 2017 16:00
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Moving the wall back could work. A freekick with the wall 15 meters back would be pretty dangerous If a 10 minute binning was an option we might see more refs punish players for crowding the ref or diving or other things like that. Refs don't want to give a 1st yellow for something soft like that and then have to send someone off, and they absolutely don't like to give a 2nd yellow for something like crowding the ref.
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Feb 7, 2017 16:16
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Refs don't want to give a 1st yellow for something soft like that and then have to send someone off, and they absolutely don't like to give a 2nd yellow for something like crowding the ref. Yep, most refs are inconstant cowards who refuse to enforce the rules as they're written. That's the problem, not players talking to the refs.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Refs don't want to give a 1st yellow for something soft like that and then have to send someone off, and they absolutely don't like to give a 2nd yellow for something like crowding the ref. It's a shame because they should. This happens in Italy a decent amount (not as much as it should probably) but it's happened a few times this season in big games even. I think it's helped domestically anyway.
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