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Duckbag posted:Enterprise had some good aliens though and the Xindi are kind of cool (even if the CG was a little janky). Too bad about the rest of the show. I remember rolling my eyes somewhat that the main Xindi dudes were basically indistinguishable from the Galaxy Quest bad guys. Always thought the Suliban were kind of underrated.
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Suliban are cool, in a stripped shag carpet kind of way, but I think they wouldn't be nearly as memorable without John Fleck.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I remember rolling my eyes somewhat that the main Xindi dudes were basically indistinguishable from the Galaxy Quest bad guys. Why? Galaxy Quest is a Star Trek IP.
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Cojawfee posted:Why? Galaxy Quest is a Star Trek IP. Best Star Trek movie of the last 20 years.
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Spoeank posted:Best Star Trek movie of the last 20 years. Easily. I think I've seen Galaxy Quest ten times over the years, it never gets old.
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dont even fink about it posted:Easily. I think I've seen Galaxy Quest ten times over the years, it never gets old. But now it's sad to watch. By Grabthar's Hammer...
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Rhyno posted:But now it's sad to watch. What a savings.
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Spoeank posted:Best Star Trek movie of the last 20 years. Oh come on, that's not true, what about--- ...oh... ...oh god...
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Beyond is the best Trek film of the past 15 years.
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Roadie posted:There's that TOS episode where the twist ending is that convergent evolution made another planet produce an exact copy of the US Constitution at some point during its history. When I first saw that episode as a kid, I just assumed they were some early WW3-refugee colony. Like the SS Botany Bay but they actually got somewhere. So that's an actual original of the Constitution.
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Aw man BBC America are cutting Voyager for time. Either that or Seven saying the Borg were there during First Contact is no longer fit for broadcast.
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Talking about weird aliens from before, there was a an offscreen character in Deep Space 9 who was a plant person who came up a few times. Bashir and O'Brien threw him a baby shower when he was budding.
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Pwnstar posted:Talking about weird aliens from before, there was a an offscreen character in Deep Space 9 who was a plant person who came up a few times. Bashir and O'Brien threw him a baby shower when he was budding. I always liked Dax's boyfriend with the transparent skull. More characters should have off-screen love interests or even *gasp* families. There's a weird trend in Trek of everyone being perpetually single unless they're hooking up with a love interest-of-the-week or another crew member. I always liked that Voyager had Tuvok be straight-up married (and stay faithful!), but mostly it just treated the characters' family/love interests back home as a source of cheap pathos that tended to be forgotten about a lot. Janeway's fiance comes up like once a season. And, of course, DS9 had three different married couples at various points (well, four if you count Quark and Grilka), but it was a lot more focused on the characters' personal lives in general. For the other series, just having someone give a throwaway line about their spouse or kid could be really nice. I guess we sort of got that with Sulu in Beyond, but that was more of a Making A Statement sort of thing whereas what I have in mind is a lot more low key. You know, just have some characters that are in real, normal human relationships that aren't just a mine for cheap melodrama so we know they're not all a bunch of serial bedhoppers and sexless robots.
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God love you John Rhys-Davies, even you can't save this episode.
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Orv posted:Somebody takes over Starfleet Academy or HQ or something and you have to go in and phaser murder a bunch of mind-controlled cadets or something? It's been a while. Something like that. I remember Klingon, Romulan, Borg and Vulcan levels as well, but I'm not going to dig up my copy to find out. I'm not sure it even works on modern versions of Windows. It's a bit of a shame it was an underwhelming game because I loved the concept.
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Duckbag posted:I always liked Dax's boyfriend with the transparent skull. Captain Boday
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Something like that. I remember Klingon, Romulan, Borg and Vulcan levels as well, but I'm not going to dig up my copy to find out. I'm not sure it even works on modern versions of Windows.
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I like that there's at least a reason for 99% of species being humanoid. Imagine you're something like a tholian though and you go explore space and find basically the same alien over and over infesting the galaxy. I feel bad for all the non-humanoids, really the only "true" aliens in trek that evolved on their own merits rather than just being humanoid space seeds.
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I just feel really bad for the Sheliak, who have to go through life as poorly CGI'd foam suits.
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I'm not usually one to defend Trek automatically, because my fandom comes with a big dose of  (that's why I'm posting here and not on a dedicated Trek forum). But it does bug me when non-fans get all bent out of shape about the human-ness of aliens in Trek. It's usually the same people who also bitch about the carpet monsters and dumb looking poo poo in TOS. From the 60's show right through the 2000's, you couldn't do truly inhuman effects convincingly on a regular basis, if at all, especially in the budget and time constraints of a TV show. So you can't have a series that has both inhuman aliens and also isn't completely ridiculous to look at. The explanation from that TNG episode is contrived, lame, and unnecessary. It's far from the lamest thing in Trek lore, but reasonable people should realize the constraints of practical effects in doing a television serial.
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Plus, story-telling wise, more human-like aliens are easier for the audience to relate to and tell stories about. Weird alien concepts beyond immediate understanding are cool and all, but if your episode is supposed to make metaphors for society, the more human the better.
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Railing Kill posted:From the 60's show right through the 2000's, you couldn't do truly inhuman effects convincingly on a regular basis, if at all, especially in the budget and time constraints of a TV show.  oh, wait quote:a series that has both inhuman aliens and also is completely ridiculous
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nerdman42 posted:Plus, story-telling wise, more human-like aliens are easier for the audience to relate to and tell stories about. Exactly. Truly inhuman things are good for a film like "The Arrival," but it doesn't work for Trek because Trek is a story about humanity in the first place and is rooted in naval adventures set in the 1700's/1800's. It's Horatio Hornblower in space. The science fiction just lets it have weirder settings and more opportunities for these little morality plays. That's why "City at the Edge of Forever" is so good as pure Trek. What is this thing that can move poo poo through time? Why is it here? How does it work? Who loving cares? It's literally a plot device. All of the aliens in Trek are similar: they serve the plot, not the other way around.
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Tunicate posted:
Farscape is an exception to everything I said because Jim and Brian Henson were/are wizards. The Henson workshop defies all reason. You cannot grasp the true form of the Muppet Factory's attack! Railing Kill fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Duckbag posted:\ I always liked that Voyager had Tuvok be straight-up married (and stay faithful!), This being Voyager, of course, he did have to gently caress a hologram at least once, though
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Drink-Mix Man posted:This being Voyager, of course, he did have to gently caress a hologram at least once, though Thread title
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There should have been an episode where the holodeck computer broke and they had to get the doctor to fill in by changing his matrix to act as every character in people's programs. He starts out enjoying it as he gets to be an actor and experience so many new things, but then janeway loads up her irish gently caress town and deeply traumatizes the doctor.
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Railing Kill posted:Exactly. Truly inhuman things are good for a film like "The Arrival," but it doesn't work for Trek because Trek is a story about humanity in the first place and is rooted in naval adventures set in the 1700's/1800's. It's Horatio Hornblower in space. The science fiction just lets it have weirder settings and more opportunities for these little morality plays. That's why "City at the Edge of Forever" is so good as pure Trek. What is this thing that can move poo poo through time? Why is it here? How does it work? Who loving cares? It's literally a plot device. All of the aliens in Trek are similar: they serve the plot, not the other way around. This post is really hard to respond to because it seems like you're making a point against weird aliens in trek but you're actually arguing against yourself. As you said, aliens serve the plot, not the other way around, but having aliens that are more alien opens up possilities for interesting story telling because it puts our characters in situations that don't normally exist and explores the outcomes. Isn't that the whole basis of sci-fi in the first place? Your post is like saying "no, we shouldn't add seasoning to this dish because seasoning serves the dish, not the other way around". Like...yes, but how is that an argument against adding seasoning? Like, obviously if the plot doesn't necessitate having weird aliens then you're right. But on the other hand weird aliens can be used to create interesting plots. Every episode of Star Trek is essentially "weird or unusual X happens and the characters deal with it". Replace X with technology, situation, or alien. Subyng fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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"I am sorry captain, but I don't think it is appropriate for me to take part in this" "I said the Lord of the manor removes his clothes and ravishes the the tutor!"
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Cojawfee posted:"I am sorry captain, but I don't think it is appropriate for me to take part in this" Also it would be like quantum leap and the doctor would just look like himself in all the scenes from the point of view of the viewer.
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I would Kickstart this episode.
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Baronjutter posted:Also it would be like quantum leap and the doctor would just look like himself in all the scenes from the point of view of the viewer. Enter Tom Paris, "Computer: Moulin Rouge, 1893, Bal des Quat'z'Arts" "Oh boy!"
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I can vividly see Robert Picardo's expressions in each scene. This episode, I've seen it, it's REAL. Don't you understand???
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I'll be honest when it was suggested it took me a couple minutes of thinking to stop myself from posting "Isn't that... actually an episode?" I think a couple Doctor holodeck episodes deal with similar joy of discovery style stuff and my brain was amalgamating, but yeah I can probably just write the script myself. Somewhere in it he punches Harry.
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Tunicate posted:
Star Trek would probably not feel so cheap all the time if they allied themselves with Jim Henson instead of just trotting out an endless litany of demihumans.
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Doggles posted:Axanar killed Richard Hatch He made his choice. His obit should read "Richard Hatch, Axanar sympathizer dead at 71."
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