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I ended up running a Hyperloop based deck last night at a casual league. It was a poor decision. I normally play super aggro decks, so my games don't often last longer than 10-15 minutes. The Hyperloop certainly has the potential to be a strong, winning deck, but it takes so loving long that it could never be competitive in a tournament environment. Over the course of two and a half hours, I played three rounds, with no more than five minutes between matches. I won the first two games, but the third one was so grueling I ended up taking a dive at the end so it would finally be over. I could have won by decking him, but I would have felt terrible about it. What I learned is that running a real hyperloop deck makes you a dick, and I will never do it again.
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I've been experimenting more with mono-blue villainy and finding I might actually think that eKylo/Vader has legs; it's not amazing, but I don't think it's complete crap, either. eKylo/eDooku just doesn't have the same gas in it, to me. Also? I think that FFG has to be incredibly careful about printing Hero uniques who can be played at <=10 points, because Luke Skywalker is really good. I've been on a tear with a mono-blue Hero deck (eLuke/Rey) that I mostly made as a joke and it's just been slaying some people. His ability lets you go and get at the very least a reroll, and sometimes will grab you something game-changing like All In. He's got 12 HP and monster die faces, including a valuable Focus side and a 3 damage side that doesn't cost any money. He's cheaper to play than Vader is and is, in my estimation, better. That said, I still want to try for an eLuke/Ackbar setup at the next tournament, and I'm still working out what to include. eHan/eRey remains an effective deck and it's really fun, but with everyone teching for ranged damage I'm kind of excited to show someone exactly what All In can do with an eLuke and his lightsaber equipped.
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guts and bolts posted:I've been experimenting more with mono-blue villainy and finding I might actually think that eKylo/Vader has legs; it's not amazing, but I don't think it's complete crap, either. eKylo/eDooku just doesn't have the same gas in it, to me. Also? I think that FFG has to be incredibly careful about printing Hero uniques who can be played at <=10 points, because Luke Skywalker is really good. I've been on a tear with a mono-blue Hero deck (eLuke/Rey) that I mostly made as a joke and it's just been slaying some people. His ability lets you go and get at the very least a reroll, and sometimes will grab you something game-changing like All In. He's got 12 HP and monster die faces, including a valuable Focus side and a 3 damage side that doesn't cost any money. He's cheaper to play than Vader is and is, in my estimation, better. The metagame is really shaping up to be all about ranged damage, yeah. eLuke is really vulnerable to die removal, because he's going to be the only hitter on the team, so All In is his best shot. I think Blue Villain is so good, but it's also the most expensive deck. I still don't have Force Chokes or Kylo's Lightsaber or more than one Vader, and I have a playset of almost every other card.
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guts and bolts posted:I've been experimenting more with mono-blue villainy and finding I might actually think that eKylo/Vader has legs; it's not amazing, but I don't think it's complete crap, either. eKylo/eDooku just doesn't have the same gas in it, to me. Also? I think that FFG has to be incredibly careful about printing Hero uniques who can be played at <=10 points, because Luke Skywalker is really good. I've been on a tear with a mono-blue Hero deck (eLuke/Rey) that I mostly made as a joke and it's just been slaying some people. His ability lets you go and get at the very least a reroll, and sometimes will grab you something game-changing like All In. He's got 12 HP and monster die faces, including a valuable Focus side and a 3 damage side that doesn't cost any money. He's cheaper to play than Vader is and is, in my estimation, better. I think eKylo/Vader is 1 or 2 cards from being really solid. The next set will hopefully round it out nicely. Speaking of the next set, I hope we get some more cheap non-uniques so we can run a big squad of different storm troopers. That vs Palpatine will be really interesting.
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Looks like SoR set is going to have poo poo availability as well. CSI isn't doing any preorders. quote:Unfortunately yes due to heavy allocations we had with the first set we're unable to offer preorders for any of the upcoming set. The fact that even the starter sets are nowhere to be found this late into the first set's release is nothing short of pathetic.
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I've never experienced a release like this, so I'm unsure exactly how this will affect the game. Part of me thinks the excitement around the game is good and part of me thinks that the lack of product is bad. I don't know whether to sell off my stuff because interest is high, to sell it off because the game could fail, whether FFG will do a future reprint of Awakenings or to do nothing and see what happens.
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Xwing was at a very similar situation in the beginning. Core sets were sold out. If you didn't pick up a ship on release or restock day, you will out of luck. The stock didn't stabilize until after the YT-1300 and Firespray dropped. I would demo Xwing for people and just shrug when they asked where to buy it. Integral expansions of Netrunner had been out of print for over a year. In Imperial Assault, Boba Fett is constantly out of stock and sells for $50 on eBay when he is $15 MSRP. TL;DR Destiny isn't dying. It isn't going to die due to its low stock. FFG cannot roll out a new game properly. It is annoying but it has not killed any of their games yet. If you want to sell to make a profit, now is the time. Prices might even shoot up more when the next set drops though because it will attract even more players. Also it helps if you don't try and collect the entire set. Hardly anyone tries to collect entire sets of Magic so I just collect Villains now. I will limit myself to deck archetypes, like Vader and friend, once the game is fleshed out more.
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If you are planning to cash out, I think the best time will actually be after the last of SoR is spoiled or just after its release; assuming they don't print newer versions of the iconic characters who already exist and are really good (Luke, Han, Vader) you'll see a pretty large surge of new consumers who will see the card pool and build poo poo on swdestinydb and think, wow, this Hero blue card would be awesome in a deck with Luke Skywalker. Who they can't get unless you sell it to them. Thankfully there are plenty more iconic characters to mine for SoR's full card list, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly newer (TFA/R1) stuff mixed in with a few of the OT legends who didn't make the cut in Awakenings (Obi-Wan, Chewie, Boba Fett, and we already know Palps is in). Like, in my estimation, we're likely to get more than just Jyn, Chirrut, and Krennic from R1, even if all the characters in that movie sucked.  I'd expect Maz Kanata, General Hux, K-2SO, Cassian, maybe even poo poo like Snoke before we get a second version of Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, etc. In my mind that makes them valuable by itself. It certainly doesn't hurt that Luke, Han, Vader, and the Fett we already have are iconic as hell and also super-great cards in their own right. Unless some of the new characters have truly outrageous levels of power, people are likely to seek their nostalgia-driven favorites... and that's when you should cash out, if you're going to.The weirdest thing to me is that it seems pretty obvious how random-pack card games are supposed to work - intentionally limit the amount of powerful, rare cards, then watch the secondary market prices for those cards skyrocket. Sure, some people will buy the singles and you won't get a dime of that sweet $40-per-Han money, but you also have a huge number of players who think, gently caress that, I'll pull the handle on the slot machine a few more times, and then I'll either get the card I want or at least something to trade for it. And so they buy a $100 box of boosters instead. The problem right now is that the slot machine is out of order, and there is no alternative to buying the singles, so FFG doesn't really stand to gain at all from the robust secondary market. Literally nothing. Destiny is so incredibly popular and fun to play that people who think the game is "dying" or going to die strike me as either alarmists or people salty about not getting product (justifiably so!), but it stands to reason that they need a second run of Awakenings to exist, if only to capitalize on the opportunity that the secondary market has created for them. Who likes pointless tier talk and list-making!??!? I do. But I can't really come up with a strictly codified list. As an experiment (and also to help answer questions about how I've gone about list-making and what I'm building from, personally), I made up some nonsense formula for arriving at a character's performance value (PV), which is a made-up stat that is basically die faces, special ability, and health divided by cost, where I assigned numerical values to die faces and special abilities that are hugely subjective. I also didn't take color or faction affiliation into account - I personally think that Hero yellow is a tad weak, comparatively, but that shouldn't count against Han, Finn, Padme, or the Hired Gun directly. Like, conceivably, Hero yellow could get better! Padme is unlikely to improve, though. (Related to this: I also didn't factor combos directly into my decision-making; Ambush weapons and Infamous/Scavenge combos are awesome with Rey in your deck but a) she works without them and b) who knows, maybe Ambush weapons stop being viable at a later date.) I think that Jango, Luke, Bala-Tik, Rey, Vader, and Han are the best characters in the game when measured in this vacuum, though not necessarily in that order. Jabba and Kylo Ren I'm also pretty bull-ish on, as well as Captain Phasma and almost every generic character, since they're all... kinda good? The only thing I feel confident about is that Padme is not good. Finn could conceivably become good because of his unique ability text, and some characters have ability text that seem likely to actually only improve as the game expands (Luke, Vader, Finn, and Kylo Ren especially). Like Dooku is just Dooku, if that makes sense - he's gonna Dooku and that's just what he does forever. Anyone without unique ability text is in the same boat, in a vacuum - they become a known quantity. But as cards get better drawing cards will get better; forcing an opponent to pitch something for their combo or killing a reroll, that will get better; having access to a much wider variety of choices when deckbuilding, that will get better. Phasma gets better as better Villain generics show up. Padme, though... seems bad. Milling in general seems bad; strictly worse than discarding, for sure, but also bad given the format of organized play. You'll probably only get the one game in if you're limited to 35 minutes, even against fast opposing decks, maaaybe two games? And that's a tough ask to basically say "you can never lose if you want to advance in tourney play." You could see milling decks become better and use Padme as a consequence of that, since she synergizes well with that concept, blah blah, but characters like Luke and Vader are just always going to be good unless we see big-time die inflation problems, and will likely only get better as the game goes on.
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guts and bolts posted:Like, in my estimation, we're likely to get more than just Jyn, Chirrut, and Krennic from R1, even if all the characters in that movie sucked. 🤔
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My memory of Decipher CCG was that for some of the characters like Vader and Han, the grey market price rarely, if ever dipped very far throughout the lifetime of the game. Vader was always $50-60. Even after several versions and an unlimited white border version. No idea if that's how things will work this time around, but I'm not too worried about sitting on the couple Vaders I've gotten to see what shakes out.
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What's something simple to play that I can take to an event later today? I was thinking Jango/Veers, but I don't have the Detonators. Maybe Rainbow Arty, for sheer stupidity value.
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Deviant posted:What's something simple to play that I can take to an event later today? I was thinking Jango/Veers, but I don't have the Detonators. You really, really don't need Detonators to run an effective Jangeers deck. If you have the Jetpacks, DH-17s, Holdouts, OTH, etc. then you're golden. Put all your guns in the deck and turn dudes sideways.
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guts and bolts posted:You really, really don't need Detonators to run an effective Jangeers deck. If you have the Jetpacks, DH-17s, Holdouts, OTH, etc. then you're golden. Put all your guns in the deck and turn dudes sideways. What are the other required pieces? I'm short one On The Hunt, but I have 2x of everything else you mentioned. Something like this? Upgrade (13 13 ) x2 DH-17 Blaster Pistol () x2 F-11D Rifle () x2 Holdout Blaster () x1 Infantry Grenades () x2 IQA-11 Blaster Rifle () x2 Jetpack () x2 On The Hunt () Support (2 ) x2 Backup Muscle Event (15 ) x1 Armed to the Teeth x2 Dug in x2 Electroshock x2 He Doesn't Like You x2 Logistics x2 Probe x2 Tactical Mastery x2 Unpredictable Frozen Wastes? I have everything there but 2nd copies of On the Hunt/Dug in Alternatley, I was considering shamelessly stealing this Veers/Balatik/Nightsister deck i have all the pieces for http://swdestinydb.com/decklist/view/7223/generalvalue2xtournamentwinner-1.0 Deviant fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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(New post since completley different topic) Let's talk trades again. Needs @ 2/7 http://pastebin.com/WtZSiEfD Haves @ 2/7 http://pastebin.com/Y72GNGvY I'm looking to start maybe turning some of my excess rares into legendaries at a many-to-one if necessary. Other things are available on request, the above Haves is just what I have >2 of. Full collection: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eMHzTQ3zz8xNcojcmONq61HcHJWJVsHtrFCW7hQhQVs/edit?usp=sharing Let's see if we can't fill some gaps here.
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Deviant posted:(New post since completley different topic) I would like two Jetpacks. I know I have an extra Phasma and Padawan, I'll check later for sure. I'm also looking for two Force Chokes, if anyone has them. I don't have a ton of Destiny stuff extra, but I do have tons of Magic cards.
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BJPaskoff posted:I would like two Jetpacks. I know I have an extra Phasma and Padawan, I'll check later for sure. Ok, Phasma and Padawan at CSI sale price are 17.99 and 3.99 and Jetpack is 15.99, so I could do both Jetpacks if you can sweeten it up a little, or I could do 1 jetpack and something else. (I'm just using CSI's singles sale prices as a consistent benchmark FYI)
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What is the deal with Phasma, anyway? I don't think they actually printed any physical copies of Phasma. She just doesn't exist. I have seen (and own) more Vaders than Phasma lmao Good thing I've opened 4 Poe's and 3 Black Ones  e: also, I just sent 5 Force Training to CSI... lol at opening 7 of those Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Finster Dexter posted:What is the deal with Phasma, anyway? I don't think they actually printed any physical copies of Phasma. She just doesn't exist. I have seen (and own) more Vaders than Phasma lmao It is just luck of the draw. I have opened 4 Phasma's, but no Vaders after a little more than 3 boxes worth of packs. Managed to trade the extras away to fill the gaps in my collection.
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Bottom Liner posted:Looks like SoR set is going to have poo poo availability as well. CSI isn't doing any preorders. This doesn't mean what you think it means. It's saying "we got burned on the last set, so this time we're not paying with fire". It says literally and absolutely nothing about SoR's availability or lack thereof.
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No, it's pretty damning that all distributors have told retail locations that allotment will be limited and unpredictable. Can't find the thread right now but that was the story from multiple sources.
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Lukas Spirit of Rebellion preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfSMO2VOY0 e: with new spoilers!!!@@1 https://imgur.com/gallery/59sM5. Didn't take them very long to make another version of you know who, lol fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Titling the card Darth Vader but having the artwork show emo Anakin feels so loving wrong. Bleh. Rise Again is crazy good, 5 cost is right or maybe even cheap depending on what kind of resource generation blue gets later on. Obi looks great at elite, expensive at non-elite. Freezing Chamber is a good battleground, but can really screw you as well. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Lukas Spirit of Rebellion preview: Hah, I knew Lukas was on the team, didn't realize he was lead designer. He rolled me with his eAckbar/Padawan x2 deck a couple weeks ago at the Fantasy Flight Games Center tournament. Made me consider swapping out my eLuke for the Padawans but I don't have the other Ackbar yet, and would rather swap Ackbar for a Hired Gun to get access to rogue. Must be nice having access to any card you want while the rest of us scrounge for product, but that's not really his fault FFG's production side is lacking. Especially considering they underestimated the popularity of his design.
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For those who don't want to watch the video.    Obi Wan Kenobi has an incredible die, and he's crazy expensive. Love all those focus and damage sides. Elite Darth Vader Dark Apprentice is the perfect cost to pair with Elite Kylo Ren  And the Carbon Freezing Chamber battlefield pretty much immediately makes the Emperor not worth running.
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That Obi looks like so much fun. A side with 3 melee and a side with 2 focus, combined with the Guardian keyword and playing an upgrade for free. In fact, you can place a One With The Force on him from your hand or discard pile for free and it turns into a support right away. Nasty.
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ShowTime posted:That Obi looks like so much fun. A side with 3 melee and a side with 2 focus, combined with the Guardian keyword and playing an upgrade for free. In fact, you can place a One With The Force on him from your hand or discard pile for free and it turns into a support right away. Nasty. I like the idea of Willpower too with Obi Wan 
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Strobe posted:This doesn't mean what you think it means. It's saying "we got burned on the last set, so this time we're not paying with fire". It says literally and absolutely nothing about SoR's availability or lack thereof.
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Carbon-Freezing Chamber is going to make fast or action economy decks like eJango/red or eRey/eHan incredibly powerful. Obi-Wan is awesome, but really expensive. eRey seems to be the only viable character to pair with him, unless they release another character with some damage sides and an elite version of 14 or fewer points. Or just give the Hero side a non-unique character at 7 points. Rise Again is going to make disrupt sides even more valuable, and the resource cost makes it not great to run with Anakin, but fantastic with Sith Lord.
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Benthalus posted:Carbon-Freezing Chamber is going to make fast or action economy decks like eJango/red or eRey/eHan incredibly powerful. Also really good with Outpost. But Outpost is potentially really bad if it can't nab the Chamber's claim, so better go first or run Hyperspace Jump. I can't wait for the day when there are multiple decks relying so heavily on their battlefield that there's a lot of back and forth Hyperspace Jumps.
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canyoneer posted:And the Carbon Freezing Chamber battlefield pretty much immediately makes the Emperor not worth running. I mean, not really though? You have to expect that an Elite Palpatine player will be claiming the battlefield far more frequently than a non-Palpatine player, if not 100% of the time, unless you just straight up start taking turns off to claim, in hopes of setting up some big next turn, but then you're only furthering the likelihood that Palpatine claims in that following round, so how much do you really gain from it? In the eventual ePalp mirror matches I could see it being an incredibly annoying ping pong of 'I have two dice, I have one die, I have two dice, I have one die', etc. That match up will be interesting to see play out.
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Any ebay sellers on here? Do you guys just set your stuff as auction or do you pricematch CSI or what do you do?
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Auction if you definitely want to sell, as people will bid it up if it's low enough. I use other Ebay auctions as a basis and take a look at what CSI/MM are doing. Their prices are always higher, but their buy prices are a great point to start at. Things to remember: shipping costs and fees. Right now only a few cards are actually selling for more than what CSI will pay for them, if you take into account fees and shipping costs. An example would be Thermal Detonator. You can get one on Ebay for $20-$24, but you can also just sell it to CSI for $20. Selling it on ebay would net you less, as they take 10%, Paypal takes like 3% and shipping w/ tracking (which you should always do) + an envelope is $3. So it would be better to just sell that card to CSI than to waste your time selling it on Ebay. Lots sell really well if you couple them with a decent card or two. I pick through all my bulk, take out the good stuff and then sell the rest on Ebay as a bulk lot. Attach a decent legendary to it so they feel like they are getting something of real value with it and you can get a decent price. Most recently I sold a lot with commons/uncommons/rares and a legendary for $80, when it was really wasn't worth that much. Right now I have some lots up with really high fixed prices and am accepting best offers. I'm partially driving up the price of my stuff and partially holding out as I expect prices to rise. If the item sells now, I don't mind, because the price is set so high. Honestly, CSI is probably the better route to go if you are only selling a few things. If you have an entire collection you want to get rid of and don't like what CSI is paying, i'd suggest parceling it out into separate lots of around $100-$200 each. The higher the price, the less people are willing to pay, even if the value is there. Some people only want a few things and a bigger lot might have things they don't want. They also don't like the idea of spending $400-$500 on cards. Easier to swallow only paying $100 or $200 for stuff.
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Deviant posted:I'm so loving sick of jango decks. He is for sure the most toxic character. Blatantly and kinda extremely, meta-warpingly good. I expect them to add specific counters to him as the game progresses, though I'm not sure what shape those counters will take. Jango puts such a burden on you - you have to outrace him, you need to have good action economy to deal with his free rollout, you need to be able to survive a hideous potential spike in damage at virtually any time - that I'm kinda unhappy they've already printed a card this powerful. He should cost more. Much more. Running Jango with eBala and other stuff is insanity, and shouldn't exist, at least with what else exists in Awakenings.
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Deviant posted:I'm so loving sick of jango decks. Only semi-related, but this is why it's so important that FFG keeps on schedule with new content, even if it means not getting Awakenings again for a while. Diversifying the card pool is arguably more important than meeting set 1 demand, as much as the current situation sucks. They'll still get new players who can only find SoR content, and improve the experience for people who have been playing with Awakenings and are growing stale with it. Still wish AWK release wasn't such a shitshow. Liking all the SoR previews so far. Reallly excited to play with Obi-wan. And that new blue Rise event seems incredibly good.
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quote:Villain So this is what I played today, and it was competetive, if having a bit of trouble with Jango. I was debating swapping Electroshock for another Feel Your Anger, and Enrage never got played, so maybe Black Market? Any other suggestions? I also wonder if that's the best battlefield choice?
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Here's what I cobbled together. It's probably missing a few things, but hey, beggars can't be choosers. Deck Created with CardGameDB.com Star Wars Destiny Deckbuilder Total Cards: (30) Character: (29/30) 2x Rey (Awakenings) 2x Qui-Gon Jinn (Awakenings) Battlefield: 1x Echo Base (Awakenings) Event: (18) 2x Use the Force (Awakenings) 1x Dodge (Awakenings) 1x Block (Awakenings) 2x Force Misdirection (Awakenings) 2x Willpower (Awakenings) 2x Defensive Stance (Awakenings) 2x Anticipate (Awakenings) 2x Return of the Jedi (Awakenings) 1x Riposte (Awakenings) 2x Take Cover (Awakenings) 1x Heroism (Awakenings) Support: (1) 1x It Binds All Things (Awakenings) Upgrade: (11) 2x Jedi Robes (Awakenings) 2x Lightsaber (Awakenings) 1x Luke Skywalker’s Lightsaber (Awakenings) 1x Rey’s Staff (Awakenings) 1x Force Throw (Awakenings) 1x Force Training (Awakenings) 1x Force Protection (Awakenings) 1x Comlink (Awakenings) 1x Mind Probe (Awakenings)
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Iceclaw posted:Here's what I cobbled together. It's probably missing a few things, but hey, beggars can't be choosers. This isn't that far off my eQ/eR deck, so if you cobbled it together from spares/what's available, that isn't bad. It's a very fun deck, and I've had a lot of success with it. If you have or can trade for it, a second copy of Riposte is really, really handy. It is one of my most reliable closers, along with All In. People just don't expect it, and being able to swing for 3 and finish off Vader or Jango when they think they've survived the turn is super, super valuable. I don't know if you have it available, but swapping out Mind Probe for another Force Training or Protection might be worthwhile. Cheaper resources wise, and keeps the shield train running better. That said, if you don't have the card, I wouldn't do that trade for it.
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