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KRock posted:I'm biased as gently caress, as are most goons who post here, but I think Sanders got the best of that debate. It wasn't a slaughter, though. Ted Cruz is a skilled debater, whether we want to admit it or not. Still, Sanders came off as more personable, and he was greatly aided by the questioners, many of whom shared stories about how they personally benefited from Obamacare. yea i mean im p biased too its just fucken hard 4 me to imagine ppl liking ted cruz at all i kno ppl do n it boggles my glotch
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Fullhouse posted:still can't believe ted cruz compared healthcare to owning a lambo what a real piece of poo poo
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breaklaw posted:Because Hillary says the exact same thing. Former Sec of State Hillary Clinton the actual candidate, not Crooked Hillary the Trump character, agrees with Ted Cruz on this point. hmm are u a troll
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breaklaw posted:Because Hillary says the exact same thing. Former Sec of State Hillary Clinton the actual candidate, not Crooked Hillary the Trump character, agrees with Ted Cruz on this point. why would you listen to the zodiac killer and a person who lost the election to donald trump rofl fuckin cuba can afford universal health care and in fact beats us in most measures, why the hell do people like you seriously buy into the idea that it's too expensive for us
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I want to ride on Bernie Sanders's cheap healthcare bus to Canada.
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financially racist posted:fuckin cuba can afford universal health care and in fact beats us in most measures, why the hell do people like you seriously buy into the idea that it's too expensive for us Social darwinism
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And nobody likes Ted Cruz. Some people still like True ConservatismŽ and he's the main one playing to that crowd and that's it.
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breaklaw posted:And nobody likes Ted Cruz. Some people still like True ConservatismŽ and he's the main one playing to that crowd and that's it. zzzzz
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I have no idea so I'm not trolling but maybe both can be true in that people have an amount of accumulated wealth that would fund UHC but that money isn't changing hands enough to make UHC affordable through an income tax, you'd have to either wait for it to get taken through some sort of actual wealth tax like the estate tax or create a new straight up wealth tax.
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felt good to see bernie debate again better performance than his debates with hillary probably
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breaklaw posted:And nobody likes Ted Cruz. Some people still like True ConservatismŽ and he's the main one playing to that crowd and that's it. but what did the crowd think? We are biased as fuuuuck so of course we all say bernie won. I saw a few chud looking mofos in those weak "RAISE YOUR HAND" shots, what did they think?
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Breadallelogram posted:felt good to see bernie debate again it was a lot better because he wasn't having to stop himself from eviscerating his opponent like he was having to with clinton
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Stefan Prodan posted:I have no idea so I'm not trolling but maybe both can be true in that people have an amount of accumulated wealth that would fund UHC but that money isn't changing hands enough to make UHC affordable through an income tax, you'd have to either wait for it to get taken through some sort of actual wealth tax like the estate tax or create a new straight up wealth tax. And then what do you do once that's money is all spent? how do you keep the system funded for the future? You have to have recurring revenue, in this case recurring tax revenue, and you seriously think people being taxed at 100% are going to keep producing at the same level? Do you? Why?
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Stefan Prodan posted:I have no idea so I'm not trolling but maybe both can be true in that people have an amount of accumulated wealth that would fund UHC but that money isn't changing hands enough to make UHC affordable through an income tax, you'd have to either wait for it to get taken through some sort of actual wealth tax like the estate tax or create a new straight up wealth tax. kill the rich and use their money to improve the world they've been exploiting for centuries
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Stefan Prodan posted:I have no idea so I'm not trolling but maybe both can be true in that people have an amount of accumulated wealth that would fund UHC but that money isn't changing hands enough to make UHC affordable through an income tax, you'd have to either wait for it to get taken through some sort of actual wealth tax like the estate tax or create a new straight up wealth tax. bernie's medicare for all plan would have expanded the medicare payroll tax to pay for all healthcare anyone who says we can't afford single-payer is straight up completely full of poo poo, including and especially the Zodiac Killer
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financially racist posted:it was a lot better because he wasn't having to stop himself from eviscerating his opponent like he was having to with clinton good point
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financially racist posted:why would you listen to the zodiac killer and a person who lost the election to donald trump rofl Dude breaklaw isn't dense, he literally supports a world in which the poor suffer and die because there is only so much money, and obviously only the wealthy are worth saving.
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Yeah I mean also the number Cruz quoted was just the total federal income tax, the federal government's total income per year is about 3.6 trillion and that's before increasing anything
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breaklaw posted:And then what do you do once that's money is all spent? how do you keep the system funded for the future? You have to have recurring revenue, in this case recurring tax revenue, and you seriously think people being taxed at 100% are going to keep producing at the same level? Do you? Why? Rich people don't produce anything.
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Wanna see these debates weekly, just not with Cruz. Doesn't have to be Bernie, just has to not be Cruz.
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breaklaw posted:And then what do you do once that's money is all spent? how do you keep the system funded for the future? You have to have recurring revenue, in this case recurring tax revenue, and you seriously think people being taxed at 100% are going to keep producing at the same level? Do you? Why? cuba has a universal health care system they have a lower infant mortality rate and a lower rate of death for people between 15 and 65 than the us they have more doctors per capita than the us all this in a country that spends 185 per capita on healthcare just lmfao that you are this loving dense
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breaklaw posted:Because Hillary says the exact same thing. Former Sec of State Hillary Clinton the actual candidate, not Crooked Hillary the Trump character, agrees with Ted Cruz on this point. It's not the only thing they're both wrong about.
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actually employing and paying workers counts as tax credit bro, and they effectively gain 2 dollars against the tax buffer for each dollar they spend on a worker. that's how the rich still made out like bandits in WWII despite the 92% tax bracket
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breaklaw posted:And then what do you do once that's money is all spent? how do you keep the system funded for the future? You have to have recurring revenue, in this case recurring tax revenue, and you seriously think people being taxed at 100% are going to keep producing at the same level? Do you? Why? lol you think people that rich actually produce
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our healthcare system is so poo poo that it pales in comparison to a lovely dictatorial 3rd world caribbean nation but "we can't afford it", says the loving dumbass who buys into idiotic talking points parroted by people desperate to hold on to their money at the expense of human lives
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Cruz did a good job explaining why Obamacare is poo poo from a conservative perspective. He did a poo poo job of explaining why repeal rather than a fix is the path forward. the issue is, that's where the gop wants the debate. they want to talk about obamacare being poo poo. i think sanders got some hits in, but overall i think cruz got away with murder. the bottom line is: under the gop's plan, insurance companies will be allowed to charge whatever they want for health insurance. your only "choice" will be either get extorted by insurance companies, or go bankrupt when you get sick. when cruz says that people with pre-existing conditions will be able to keep their health insurance, he doesn't mention that he thinks controlling the price they pay for that insurance is government intrusion. and bernie didn't call him out. and bernie gets tantalizingly close to making his point when he talks about the price of drugs vs. pharma profits, but he keeps the debate small by talking about drug re-importation and medicare negotiation. for fucks sake, just straight up say: drug companies should not be allowed to charge outrageous sums, and the "fix" we need is to control those prices - instead of $50 billion in drug company profits, they should make a few billion and the rest should go to bringing down those prices. and cruz got to keep talking about his fda legislation as if he wasn't going to gut them and allow insurance companies to make even higher profits while people pay the same prices for those less safe versions of the same drugs they already get. this was not an even debate. to win, cruz only needed the gop plan to look like a reasonable, if imperfect, alternative. sanders needed to make it look extreme and life-threatening. cruz succeeded, bernie did not. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 05:09 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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I'm all for roasting Breaklaw, just do it understanding the fucker has no intent on engaging with you sincerely.
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FaustianQ posted:I'm all for roasting Breaklaw, just do it understanding the fucker has no intent on engaging with you sincerely.
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Pomp posted:lol you think people that rich actually produce Capital is generated by the unique force of will.
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Concerned Citizen posted:this was not an even debate. to win, cruz only needed the gop plan to look like a reasonable alternative. sanders needed to make it look extreme and life-threatening. cruz succeeded, bernie did not.  Naw.
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Do not quote Concerned Citizen.
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GOP didn't even have a plan in the first place besides "let people die" lmao
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Do not quote Concerned Citizen. He has a point though. Sanders deffo should have went in for blood.
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Math is math. There is no capitalist math and socialist math. If your plan doesn't add up then you have no plan. I really think neither party has a workable plan right now.
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breaklaw posted:Math is math. There is no capitalist math and socialist math. If your plan doesn't add up then you have no plan. I really think neither party has a workable plan right now. Math has actual numbers backing it up, ted cruz only has rhetoric.
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Agean90 posted:He has a point though. No. breaklaw posted:Math is math. Ted Cruz and Hillary's maths are bullshit. Taxes don't work that way, and the plan would not be so expensive the richest country in the world could never afford it.
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