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Pissflaps posted:Those houses don't look like affordable houses. Perhaps not, but they could either be made smaller, or mass produced to bring the unit cost down if there was a national building program. Even if these houses may not meet the definition of affordable, by allowing housebuilding in areas that were previously off limits, it would free up housing elsewhere. I posted them more to illustrate the point that new builds don't have to look like poo poo and there would be less green belt opposition if that were the case.
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mehall posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/829129993984888835 Well, the stance is that Scotland would seek membership of the EU and would therefore be in the single market - and trade with the rest of the UK on whatever Brexit terms are arranged. The problem with that is the more you minimise the downsides of this arrangement, the less a 'material case for independence' Brexit becomes, and the less necessary securing Scotland's place in the EU as an independent member. Scotland does rely massively more on trade with the rest of the UK than anywhere else - including the EU. This isn't 'little england talking': it's Scottish government statistics. Brexit shows us that leaving political and economic unions is a bad idea. Scottish independence is more of the same. Not that voting for bad ideas isn't in fashion right now so it'd be a lot closer than last time. You'll notice that the SNP's current angle on this is focussing on the democratic deficit and 'injustice' of the Brexit vote, rather than the economic consequences. There's a reason for this. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:Well, the stance is that Scotland would seek membership of the EU and would therefore be in the single market - and trade with the rest of the UK on whatever Brexit terms are arranged. Scotland massively voted to remain in the EU, and direct control over things like this is definitely a case for national government. I never meant that Scotland didn't have massive trade with England, what I meant was that the Little Englanders as I put it are throwing it in the face when there is real discussion. And Scotland aiming to be in the EU, and May insisting she will get a FTA with the EU means, as I said, that there would be no impact to English trade.
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mehall posted:And Scotland aiming to be in the EU, and May insisting she will get a FTA with the EU means, as I said, that there would be no impact to English trade. no impact my arse
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mehall posted:Scotland massively voted to remain in the EU, and direct control over things like this is definitely a case for national government. I'm not sure May has insisted she will get a free trade agreement has she? The whole point of her latest speech was that such an agreement isn't her prime motivation. The idea that two countries either side of the EU can trade unhindered is illogical and undermines the entire economic case for the EU. It's Brexiter thinking. I think there are arguments of self determination that can be made for Scottish independence but the economic one doesn't add up. Just like the one we had about EU membership.
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I heard he claimed expenses for a printer cartridge too.
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LemonDrizzle posted:This is a good thing because people who live south of the river are unsettling web-footed abominations and must be kept away from normal people insofar as possible.
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Feb 8, 2017 12:39
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I think I might adjust my expectations of time off if I was leader of the Opposition tbh.
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People elected him to fight for social justice and workers' rights an exact 37.5 hours per week.
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Perhaps it is like a real job and he says to Tom, "Hey Tom, I had to come in on Sunday so I'm going to take Monday off. Do you mind stepping up and keeping on eye on things? I'll be on my mobile and checking emails periodically if things really kick off."
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Dead Goon posted:Perhaps it is like a real job and he says to Tom, "Hey Tom, I had to come in on Sunday so I'm going to take Monday off. Do you mind stepping up and keeping on eye on things? I'll be on my mobile and checking emails periodically if things really kick off." have Corbyn & Watson started talking again?
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When I think of who I want in charge of the country, it's someone who's too knackered out by doing just about the basics as the Leader of the Opposition to come in the next week lol
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Pissflaps posted:I think I might adjust my expectations of time off if I was leader of the Opposition tbh. Nah, time off is important especially in high pressure jobs. People don't work well without time off.
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OwlFancier posted:Nah, time off is important especially in high pressure jobs. People don't work well without time off. Jeremy isn't doing a good job of demonstrating your point.
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Feb 8, 2017 13:03
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You guys shouldn't wreck your countryside it's the one good thing you have left.
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mehall posted:Boom, no more Little Englanders talking about how much Scotland relies on English trade, because if they dismiss the possibility, they'll need to admit May's hope of FTA with other countries is similarly ridiculous. I don't think this is true because Britain will get all those deals because it's Great and anyone who says otherwise is Talkin Down Are Country, whereas scotland won't because it's full of picts and ghastly gaelic types who don't have our strong, imperial spirit.
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Zephro posted:I mean it's always going to be expensive to send a bus tooling out ten miles to the middle of Ruralshire to pick up one or two people It's the other way around.
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Corbyn is taking the hours off instead of taking the overtime pay. Is it unjust for a leader to be fairly compensated? If he was doing 50 hours a week would you be complaining about him draining Labor's coffers?
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hakimashou posted:You guys shouldn't wreck your countryside it's the one good thing you have left. The countryside is racist and must be destroyed. Demiurge4 posted:Corbyn is taking the hours off instead of taking the overtime pay. Is it unjust for a leader to be fairly compensated? If he was doing 50 hours a week would you be complaining about him draining Labor's coffers? Food for thought.
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Pissflaps posted:Jeremy isn't doing a good job of demonstrating your point. Then you can go and be happy that he isn't leading 24/7 then can't you.
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To be fair, when I think of someone I want in charge of the country I don't think of someone who's drunk on sleep deprivation while making all the important decisions because they bought Thatcher's macho bollocks about only needing 4 hours of sleep a night
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Pissflaps posted:The countryside is racist and must be destroyed. Spoken like a true racist
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OwlFancier posted:Then you can go and be happy that he isn't leading 24/7 then can't you. Unfortunately even if he is taking Monday off because he couldn't have a lie in on Sunday, he's still the labour leader.
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Demiurge4 posted:Corbyn is taking the hours off instead of taking the overtime pay. Is it unjust for a leader to be fairly compensated? If he was doing 50 hours a week would you be complaining about him draining Labor's coffers? leader of the opposition's salary is paid by the state, not the party, isn't it? Cerv fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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"Corbyn doesn't work 24/7 therefore he's bad." --people who are shitposting on an internet forum during normal working hours.
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Tesseraction posted:"Corbyn doesn't work 24/7 therefore he's bad." --people who are shitposting on an internet forum during normal working hours. lol it's lunch time
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Tesseraction posted:"Corbyn doesn't work 24/7 therefore he's bad." --people who are shitposting on an internet forum during normal working hours. Well it's not why he's bad, but it's an example of how bad he is. Symptom, not cause.
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Cerv posted:lol it's lunch time lol you get a lunch time
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Cerv posted:lol it's lunch time Try working at Amazon: 8 hour shift, no lunch break. You get a 10 minute and 20 minute break after 3 and 5.5 hours respectively.
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i'm posting from one of the two 4.4 minute, CCTV-enforced toilet breaks i get during the day a literal shitpost (not really)
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Zephro posted:i'm posting from one of the two 4.4 minute, CCTV-enforced toilet breaks i get during the day Oh yeah, and try a call centre. A 15 minute break and if you go over they dock an hour's pay.
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Tesseraction posted:Try working at Amazon: 8 hour shift, no lunch break. You get a 10 minute and 20 minute break after 3 and 5.5 hours respectively. I don't think we should encourage a race to the bottom like this. Let's not ask each other to work under worse conditions, instead demand that conditions are improved for all.
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Except Corbyn.
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OwlFancier posted:Except Corbyn. Yes except Corbyn the fucker doesn't deserve lunch breaks.
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Tesseraction posted:Oh yeah, and try a call centre. A 15 minute break and if you go over they dock an hour's pay. I dunno, one time when I worked in a call centre I went to meet someone during my lunch hour. And before I knew it I was an hour late back. Nobody even noticed, which was nice.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think we should encourage a race to the bottom like this. Let's not ask each other to work under worse conditions, instead demand that conditions are improved for all. That is correct, my point was that a lunch break should not be taken for granted as it's not guaranteed. One of the great victories of the working class struggle was to grant the right to leisure time.
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