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Tesseraction posted:It was the Labour movement of the 1910s-1920s that fought and earned the right to leisure time. The Common Travel Area predates the Second World War, yet both administrations in Ireland are making GBS threads bricks at security implications if the increasingly likely prospect of a hard Irish border (either north-south or east-west) happens. e: Article 51 is pretty boring poo poo.
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I hope he takes the weekend off personally.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:23
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OwlFancier posted:I hope he takes the weekend off personally. I heard he enjoys the countryside.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:26
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Pissflaps posted:Lol four day week. What a oval office. Counterpoint - he's trying to sell his new book and a nice juicy Corbyn story will help him do that. The idea that any MP works a four day week strikes me as not being credible, let alone being the leader of the opposition on top of that.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:27
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Tesseraction posted:Hopefully this isn't just going to be ignored by all but the Groan and Mirror. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/02/pmqs-jeremy-corbyn-steamrollers-theresa-may-classic-ambush quote:PMQs: Jeremy Corbyn steamrollers Theresa May with a classic ambush
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Feb 8, 2017 14:28
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Prince John posted:Counterpoint - he's trying to sell his new book and a nice juicy Corbyn story will help him do that. I don't think it's much of a 'juicy story' tbh.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:27
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I think Corbyn did quite well on the Surrey sweetheart deal at PMQs.
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TinTower posted:e: Article 51 is pretty boring poo poo.
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TinTower posted:I think Corbyn did quite well on the Surrey sweetheart deal at PMQs. Yeah it's a good one. Bad timing with the Brexit vote though.
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Guavanaut posted:The UN Article 51 has been used to justify state terrorism against people. Then again so has everything from the weather to God said so. The EU Article 51, I meant.  Pissflaps posted:Yeah it's a good one. Bad timing with the Brexit vote though. Yeah. Corbyn needs to be getting a major victory, not a string of minor victories, though.
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Guavanaut posted:One of the greatest tricks of liberalism is to split that leisure time such that some have too little and are overworked, and some have too much and too little income. We then call the latter group skivers and seek to prove how we're not one of them by demanding ever shittier working conditions. so they can work after all, says a Tory waving a jobscentre slash bill. we knew it. put 'em to work. And since, as the liberals frequently tell us, we are on the left side of the Laffer curve and therefore tax cuts do not increase labour supply, tax cuts will decrease labour supply. And so the noble hard-working will go home earlier! What a shock, Tory prescriptions for a Marxist nostrum? And this is the point, hopefully, where you remember that Marx was a classical economist. His framework implies some really odd things about policies written from a postwar-liberal perspective. aaaaanyway. what's especially remarkable is that there's an odd parallel, at least facially, between the Marxist reserve-army-of-labour intuition and the contemporary efficiency-wages shirking model (which, despite the name, implies an equilibrium that is inefficient in a contemporary sense). the main differences are 1) what they imply about the cyclical behaviour of these aggregates during recessions, and 2) what they imply about the response to policies or external changes that might increase or decrease the real wage level ronya fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Feb 8, 2017 14:32
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Guavanaut posted:One of the greatest tricks of liberalism is to split that leisure time such that some have too little and are overworked, and some have too much and too little income. We then call the latter group skivers and seek to prove how we're not one of them by demanding ever shittier working conditions. Is that liberalism or capitalism that's causing this though? If the former, would you mind explaining the causality a bit more? TinTower posted:I think Corbyn did quite well on the Surrey sweetheart deal at PMQs. I hope he broadens it to the general protection for Tory councils that came up earlier last year and was ignored by everyone. Prince John fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Feb 8, 2017 14:31
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Tesseraction posted:Okay. drat, I voted us into 7 day weeks with 16 hour shifts and likely unpaid overtime on top. Probably bringing back child labour too. Curse my short-sighted desire for bendy bananas. I'm not gonna store this post up for 3-4 years to spring it on you when we see the white paper for the Business Freedoms Act (2021), but you're a loving daftie if you think the Working Time directive survives much beyond the repeal act, a Brexit-led recession hitting businesses and the inevitable Tory victory in 2020.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:34
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On 4-day work weeks: I have absolutely no problem with Corbyn doing a 4-day week as long as he offers the same right to the rest of the people employed by Labour, else he's a oval office. If it were a real story, of course.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:35
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Even if Corbyn is working a 4 day week, there's a decent chance he does so with extreme hours for those 4 days, due to the hours that parliament keeps. Very good chance Corbyn is working around 10-12 hours on a given weekday.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:38
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mehall posted:Even if Corbyn is working a 4 day week, there's a decent chance he does so with extreme hours for those 4 days, due to the hours that parliament keeps. These numbers you've made up are plausible as hell.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:40
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A 10 hour day, jesus. He surely can't keep that up for long.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:41
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My work is mulling over moving me to a 4 day week, working 8am to 6pm, with 2 15minute breaks and a 45minute lunch each day, for a total of 37.5 hours per week. It's not inconceivable for the leader of the opposition to work, say, 10am until 8pm.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:46
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Yeah I can totally imagine the opposition leader working those hours or similar hours. Or even different hours.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:46
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Parliament does not sit every day.
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Feb 8, 2017 14:47
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Yeah on Wednesdays they're standing up and making hooting noises.
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Dabir posted:Yeah on Wednesdays they're standing up and making hooting noises. [BRAYING DISAGREEMENT FROM BACKBENCHES]
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mfcrocker posted:I'm not gonna store this post up for 3-4 years to spring it on you when we see the white paper for the Business Freedoms Act (2021), but you're a loving daftie if you think the Working Time directive survives much beyond the repeal act, a Brexit-led recession hitting businesses and the inevitable Tory victory in 2020. I know the electorate are a bunch of stupid mad dogs but I don't think it's reasonable to predict that Brexit is the complete disaster we suspect it will be AND have the Tories walking into power in 2020. If we hit full on recession we can count on 24 hour news channels to remind people every hour of every day.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:04
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As the public perception of MP's working hours is a bit of a bugbear of mine, here's Ian Murray's "a week in the life of a backbench MP" diagram.  Obviously as you take on additional responsibilities, committees, or positions, then it only gets busier.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:08
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Regarde Aduck posted:I know the electorate are a bunch of stupid mad dogs but I don't think it's reasonable to predict that Brexit is the complete disaster we suspect it will be AND have the Tories walking into power in 2020. If we hit full on recession we can count on 24 hour news channels to remind people every hour of every day. They'll also remind people every hour of every day that Labour wanted this too.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:08
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine McDonnell reading the Little Red Book at the budget... forever...
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Regarde Aduck posted:I know the electorate are a bunch of stupid mad dogs but I don't think it's reasonable to predict that Brexit is the complete disaster we suspect it will be AND have the Tories walking into power in 2020. If we hit full on recession we can count on 24 hour news channels to remind people every hour of every day. Remind people every hour of every day that the EU and immigrants are destroying our great nation because we stood up to them, and that lefties were willing to accept slavery rather than do that? You're right, they will.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:13
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Labour's got a lot of problems but a one-time gag at PMQs that three people remember isn't really one of them.
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ronya posted:Parliament does not sit every day. sitting in parliament is not the full extent of an MPs job that's like thinking school teachers all go home at 3 when classes end
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Feb 8, 2017 16:16
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Cerv posted:what a pointless thing to say They should though.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:16
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like teachers parliament gets about 3 months off a year
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jBrereton posted:If you want a vision of the future, imagine McDonnell reading the Little Red Book at the budget... forever... It was a really good joke to be fair.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:21
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Feb 8, 2017 16:22
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Private Speech posted:It was a really good joke to be fair. It was loving hilarious, actually
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Feb 8, 2017 16:32
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mehall posted:My work is mulling over moving me to a 4 day week, working 8am to 6pm, with 2 15minute breaks and a 45minute lunch each day, for a total of 37.5 hours per week. I used to do Monday - Thursday 8am - 6/615/630pm in IT, for 37.5 hours/week. Best job I ever had. The difference between a 2 day and 3 day weekend cannot be overstated.
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Regarde Aduck posted:I know the electorate are a bunch of stupid mad dogs but I don't think it's reasonable to predict that Brexit is the complete disaster we suspect it will be AND have the Tories walking into power in 2020. Austerity was the complete disaster we suspected it would be, and look where we are. Come to that Iraq was the disaster we expected it to be, and Blair got elected after it. Our election results are more affected by how many people vote for minor parties than they are by big issues.
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Prince John posted:As the public perception of MP's working hours is a bit of a bugbear of mine, here's Ian Murray's "a week in the life of a backbench MP" diagram. Some MPs are really hard working, some do sod all. They all tend to do a lot less in safe seats or as they have been an MP longer. This is one of the big reasons Labour lost Scotland, most of its MPs didn't really do anything. Ian Murray is very hard working. He needs to be though. VVV He is also a huge tryhard. Whatever he does you can bet it's in the best interests of Ian Murray. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Has Ian Murray changed from abstaining a lot when he's needed the most?TinTower posted:Yeah. Corbyn needs to be getting a major victory, not a string of minor victories, though. Do you not know combos? You gotta have a string of minor attacks and then end it with a ex special attack so that they are near stunned and then read their next attack and do another combo till they are stunned and then you finish them off with one last minor combo into a super finisher. God, it's like you don't understand politics at all.
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I hope that the Prime Minutes will not intervene. I think Yuuj JreP should be able to pursue his interests.
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